Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3

[Sportfan73]

I feel like we are waiting at this point because Philly has agreed to a trade for a player that can't be traded until the season starts.

Much better probability that it’s involving someone who can’t be traded until later in the month for aggregating purposes

[Sportfan73]

Why am I just really starting to feel like Sexton is going to end up in Philly. Whether it’s a 2 or 3 team deal, it just seems like the type of swing + draft capital that Morey will take

[zimpy27]

CLE gets LeVert+Springer+Kelan
CLE gives Sexton+Rubio
Garland, Okoro, LeVert, Mobley, Allen -- Springer, Windler, Martin, Markannen, Love
Cleveland get a couple of wing players, one to start and one off the bench. The guys they bring in fit their timeline for competing.

IND gets Simmons+Curry
IND gives Brogdon+LeVert+Kelan+IND22FRP
Curry, Simmons, Warren, Sabonis, Turner -- McConnell, Duarte, JHoliday, Oshae, Goga
Indy add to the initial trade concept of Brogdon and a future first. Rick gets Curry back and Simmons would likely start at SG ironically unless Warren moves to bench.

PHI gets Brogdon+Sexton+Rubio+IND22FRP
PHI gives Simmons+Curry+Springer
Sexton, Brogdon, Green, Harris, Embiid -- Rubio, Maxey, Thybulle, Reed, Drummond
Philly lacked playmaking in the playoffs and that was with Simmons on the team. They've lost Simmons+Curry but added more playmaking than they had before. They will be a better team next season and shouldn't get substantially worse when starters swap with bench.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

CLE gets LeVert+Springer+Kelan
CLE gives Sexton+Rubio
Garland, Okoro, LeVert, Mobley, Allen -- Springer, Windler, Martin, Markannen, Love
Cleveland get a couple of wing players, one to start and one off the bench. The guys they bring in fit their timeline for competing.

IND gets Simmons+Curry
IND gives Brogdon+LeVert+Kelan+IND22FRP
Curry, Simmons, Warren, Sabonis, Turner -- McConnell, Duarte, JHoliday, Oshae, Goga
Indy add to the initial trade concept of Brogdon and a future first. Rick gets Curry back and Simmons would likely start at SG ironically unless Warren moves to bench.

PHI gets Brogdon+Sexton+Rubio+IND22FRP
PHI gives Simmons+Curry+Springer
Sexton, Brogdon, Green, Harris, Embiid -- Rubio, Maxey, Thybulle, Reed, Drummond
Philly lacked playmaking in the playoffs and that was with Simmons on the team. They've lost Simmons+Curry but added more playmaking than they had before. They will be a better team next season and shouldn't get substantially worse when starters swap with bench.

Think Cavs should be getting the pick. Seems like turning Sexton into a platter of meh.

[zimpy27]

CLE gets LeVert+Springer+Kelan
CLE gives Sexton+Rubio
Garland, Okoro, LeVert, Mobley, Allen -- Springer, Windler, Martin, Markannen, Love
Cleveland get a couple of wing players, one to start and one off the bench. The guys they bring in fit their timeline for competing.

IND gets Simmons+Curry
IND gives Brogdon+LeVert+Kelan+IND22FRP
Curry, Simmons, Warren, Sabonis, Turner -- McConnell, Duarte, JHoliday, Oshae, Goga
Indy add to the initial trade concept of Brogdon and a future first. Rick gets Curry back and Simmons would likely start at SG ironically unless Warren moves to bench.

PHI gets Brogdon+Sexton+Rubio+IND22FRP
PHI gives Simmons+Curry+Springer
Sexton, Brogdon, Green, Harris, Embiid -- Rubio, Maxey, Thybulle, Reed, Drummond
Philly lacked playmaking in the playoffs and that was with Simmons on the team. They've lost Simmons+Curry but added more playmaking than they had before. They will be a better team next season and shouldn't get substantially worse when starters swap with bench.

Think Cavs should be getting the pick. Seems like turning Sexton into a platter of meh.

That pick could go to the Cavs. They could also take a better player than Martin from Indy. I don't think Cavs are getting meh players. LeVert is a strong fit for their starters as he can generate his own bucket.

[pacers33granger]

CLE gets LeVert+Springer+Kelan
CLE gives Sexton+Rubio
Garland, Okoro, LeVert, Mobley, Allen -- Springer, Windler, Martin, Markannen, Love
Cleveland get a couple of wing players, one to start and one off the bench. The guys they bring in fit their timeline for competing.

IND gets Simmons+Curry
IND gives Brogdon+LeVert+Kelan+IND22FRP
Curry, Simmons, Warren, Sabonis, Turner -- McConnell, Duarte, JHoliday, Oshae, Goga
Indy add to the initial trade concept of Brogdon and a future first. Rick gets Curry back and Simmons would likely start at SG ironically unless Warren moves to bench.

PHI gets Brogdon+Sexton+Rubio+IND22FRP
PHI gives Simmons+Curry+Springer
Sexton, Brogdon, Green, Harris, Embiid -- Rubio, Maxey, Thybulle, Reed, Drummond
Philly lacked playmaking in the playoffs and that was with Simmons on the team. They've lost Simmons+Curry but added more playmaking than they had before. They will be a better team next season and shouldn't get substantially worse when starters swap with bench.

Seems a stretch for Indy. I'm more than fine on the value coming back, but I'm real weary of the fit. Indy and its fans tend to still believe in the two big combination, but adding a third big is tough.

[realball]

Philly trades:
Ben Simmons, Tobias Harris

Philly receives:
Malcolm Brogdon, Buddy Hield, Malik Beasley, Kyle Anderson

Sixers trade Simmons/Harris for a brand new starting lineup with more shooters. With Curry/Maxey/Thybulle/Green off the bench, they suddenly become one of the deepest teams in the league.

Brogdon/Curry
Hield/Maxey
Beasley/Thybulle
Anderson/Green
Embiid/Drummond



Indiana trades:
Malcolm Brogdon, Myles Turner

Indiana receives:
Dillon Brooks, Jaden McDaniels, Marvin Bagley, Taurean Prince

Indiana trade Brogdon and Turner for younger pieces with more manageable contracts. Bagley + Prince + Lamb's expirings can land them another piece near the trade deadline.

Levert/McConnell
Brooks/Lamb
Warren/Sumner/Duarte
McDaniels/Holiday/Brissett
Sabonis/Bagley



Sacramento trades:
Buddy Hield, Marvin Bagley

Sacramento receives:
Tobias Harris

Sacramento takes on Harris's big contract in order to beef up their frontcourt and open up minutes for Haliburton and Mitchell.

Fox/Mitchell
Haliburton/Davis
Barnes/Harkless
Harris/Thompson
Holmes/Len



Memphis trades:
Dillon Brooks, Kyle Anderson

Memphis receives:
Myles Turner

Memphis consolidates assets and get a JV replacement. They can look to trade away Adams or whatever they can get now.

Morant/Jones
Melton/Bane
Clarke/Culver
JJJ/Tillman
Turner/Adams



Minnesota trades:
Malik Beasley, Taurean Prince, Jaden McDaniels

Minnesota receives:
Ben Simmons

Wolves trade for Simmons.

Beverly/?
Russell/?
Edwards/Okogie
Simmons/Layman
KAT/Reid



I imagine this trade needs to be balanced with a few picks, but not sure who sends what. Maybe Wolves send a pick to the Pacers?

Alternatively, Indiana could keep Turner and re-route McDaniels/Prince to Memphis instead.

[jbk1234]

CLE gets LeVert+Springer+Kelan
CLE gives Sexton+Rubio
Garland, Okoro, LeVert, Mobley, Allen -- Springer, Windler, Martin, Markannen, Love
Cleveland get a couple of wing players, one to start and one off the bench. The guys they bring in fit their timeline for competing.

IND gets Simmons+Curry
IND gives Brogdon+LeVert+Kelan+IND22FRP
Curry, Simmons, Warren, Sabonis, Turner -- McConnell, Duarte, JHoliday, Oshae, Goga
Indy add to the initial trade concept of Brogdon and a future first. Rick gets Curry back and Simmons would likely start at SG ironically unless Warren moves to bench.

PHI gets Brogdon+Sexton+Rubio+IND22FRP
PHI gives Simmons+Curry+Springer
Sexton, Brogdon, Green, Harris, Embiid -- Rubio, Maxey, Thybulle, Reed, Drummond
Philly lacked playmaking in the playoffs and that was with Simmons on the team. They've lost Simmons+Curry but added more playmaking than they had before. They will be a better team next season and shouldn't get substantially worse when starters swap with bench.

Just cut the Cavs right out of this. They traded for Rubio because they want Rubio to play for them. We're not trading our starting SG and only legitimate backup PG for this return. This legitimately awful.

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[zimpy27]

CLE gets LeVert+Springer+Kelan
CLE gives Sexton+Rubio
Garland, Okoro, LeVert, Mobley, Allen -- Springer, Windler, Martin, Markannen, Love
Cleveland get a couple of wing players, one to start and one off the bench. The guys they bring in fit their timeline for competing.

IND gets Simmons+Curry
IND gives Brogdon+LeVert+Kelan+IND22FRP
Curry, Simmons, Warren, Sabonis, Turner -- McConnell, Duarte, JHoliday, Oshae, Goga
Indy add to the initial trade concept of Brogdon and a future first. Rick gets Curry back and Simmons would likely start at SG ironically unless Warren moves to bench.

PHI gets Brogdon+Sexton+Rubio+IND22FRP
PHI gives Simmons+Curry+Springer
Sexton, Brogdon, Green, Harris, Embiid -- Rubio, Maxey, Thybulle, Reed, Drummond
Philly lacked playmaking in the playoffs and that was with Simmons on the team. They've lost Simmons+Curry but added more playmaking than they had before. They will be a better team next season and shouldn't get substantially worse when starters swap with bench.

Just cut the Cavs right out of this. They traded for Rubio because they want Rubio to play for them. We're not trading our starting SG and only legitimate backup PG for this return. This legitimately awful.

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Are you saying they drafted Sexton to trade him? Things change in the NBA, teams can change direction in an offseason.

Cavs rightly identified that they needed more playmaking, in this case they are trading the playmaker Rubio for a playmaker in LeVert. Same direction but a better positional and timeline fit.

[jbk1234]

CLE gets LeVert+Springer+Kelan
CLE gives Sexton+Rubio
Garland, Okoro, LeVert, Mobley, Allen -- Springer, Windler, Martin, Markannen, Love
Cleveland get a couple of wing players, one to start and one off the bench. The guys they bring in fit their timeline for competing.

IND gets Simmons+Curry
IND gives Brogdon+LeVert+Kelan+IND22FRP
Curry, Simmons, Warren, Sabonis, Turner -- McConnell, Duarte, JHoliday, Oshae, Goga
Indy add to the initial trade concept of Brogdon and a future first. Rick gets Curry back and Simmons would likely start at SG ironically unless Warren moves to bench.

PHI gets Brogdon+Sexton+Rubio+IND22FRP
PHI gives Simmons+Curry+Springer
Sexton, Brogdon, Green, Harris, Embiid -- Rubio, Maxey, Thybulle, Reed, Drummond
Philly lacked playmaking in the playoffs and that was with Simmons on the team. They've lost Simmons+Curry but added more playmaking than they had before. They will be a better team next season and shouldn't get substantially worse when starters swap with bench.

Just cut the Cavs right out of this. They traded for Rubio because they want Rubio to play for them. We're not trading our starting SG and only legitimate backup PG for this return. This legitimately awful.

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Are you saying they drafted Sexton to trade him? Things change in the NBA, teams can change direction in an offseason.

Cavs rightly identified that they needed more playmaking, in this case they are trading the playmaker Rubio for a playmaker in LeVert. Same direction but a better positional and timeline fit.

None of this is appealing. It's an easy pass.

As far as Sexton, the Cavs don't need to trade him. He's not demanding out. He'll be restricted this summer. If an offer doesn't make sense from the Cavs POV, and this one clearly doesn't, they have other options.

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[zimpy27]

Just cut the Cavs right out of this. They traded for Rubio because they want Rubio to play for them. We're not trading our starting SG and only legitimate backup PG for this return. This legitimately awful.

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Are you saying they drafted Sexton to trade him? Things change in the NBA, teams can change direction in an offseason.

Cavs rightly identified that they needed more playmaking, in this case they are trading the playmaker Rubio for a playmaker in LeVert. Same direction but a better positional and timeline fit.

None of this is appealing. It's an easy pass.

As far as Sexton, the Cavs don't need to trade him. He's not demanding out. He'll be restricted this summer. If an offer doesn't make sense from the Cavs POV, and this one clearly doesn't, they have other options.

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I disagree, Cavs are desperate for a starting level SF. Two would be ideal.

Would this be more appealling?

CLE gets LeVert+JHoliday+Lamb+Springer
CLE gives Sexton+Rubio+Cedi
Garland, Okoro, JHoliday, Mobley, Allen -- Springer, Lamb, Levert, Markannen, Love

IND gets Simmons+Curry+Cedi
IND gives Brogdon+LeVert+JHoliday+Lamb

PHI gets Brogdon+Sexton+Rubio
PHI gives Simmons+Curry+Springer

[zimpy27]

CLE gets LeVert+Springer+Kelan
CLE gives Sexton+Rubio
Garland, Okoro, LeVert, Mobley, Allen -- Springer, Windler, Martin, Markannen, Love
Cleveland get a couple of wing players, one to start and one off the bench. The guys they bring in fit their timeline for competing.

IND gets Simmons+Curry
IND gives Brogdon+LeVert+Kelan+IND22FRP
Curry, Simmons, Warren, Sabonis, Turner -- McConnell, Duarte, JHoliday, Oshae, Goga
Indy add to the initial trade concept of Brogdon and a future first. Rick gets Curry back and Simmons would likely start at SG ironically unless Warren moves to bench.

PHI gets Brogdon+Sexton+Rubio+IND22FRP
PHI gives Simmons+Curry+Springer
Sexton, Brogdon, Green, Harris, Embiid -- Rubio, Maxey, Thybulle, Reed, Drummond
Philly lacked playmaking in the playoffs and that was with Simmons on the team. They've lost Simmons+Curry but added more playmaking than they had before. They will be a better team next season and shouldn't get substantially worse when starters swap with bench.

Seems a stretch for Indy. I'm more than fine on the value coming back, but I'm real weary of the fit. Indy and its fans tend to still believe in the two big combination, but adding a third big is tough.

Yeah I am not a fan of the Sabonis/Turner fit but wonder if one could be traded to Raptors for Siakam. Simmons+Siakam+Turner/Sabonis would be fun.

[jbk1234]

Are you saying they drafted Sexton to trade him? Things change in the NBA, teams can change direction in an offseason.

Cavs rightly identified that they needed more playmaking, in this case they are trading the playmaker Rubio for a playmaker in LeVert. Same direction but a better positional and timeline fit.

None of this is appealing. It's an easy pass.

As far as Sexton, the Cavs don't need to trade him. He's not demanding out. He'll be restricted this summer. If an offer doesn't make sense from the Cavs POV, and this one clearly doesn't, they have other options.

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I disagree, Cavs are desperate for a starting level SF. Two would be ideal.

Would this be more appealling?

CLE gets LeVert+JHoliday+Lamb+Springer
CLE gives Sexton+Rubio+Cedi
Garland, Okoro, JHoliday, Mobley, Allen -- Springer, Lamb, Levert, Markannen, Love

IND gets Simmons+Curry+Cedi
IND gives Brogdon+LeVert+JHoliday+Lamb

PHI gets Brogdon+Sexton+Rubio
PHI gives Simmons+Curry+Springer

LaVert simply isn't good enough to be the only thing of value offered for Sexton and none of these other pieces are worth Rubio.

You're free to disagree but the Cavs aren't paying the majority of the price for Simmons and ending up with LaVert and a pu pu player. If you really think this is fair, then Philly should have no problem taking the Indy package and cutting the Cavs out..

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[zimpy27]

None of this is appealing. It's an easy pass.

As far as Sexton, the Cavs don't need to trade him. He's not demanding out. He'll be restricted this summer. If an offer doesn't make sense from the Cavs POV, and this one clearly doesn't, they have other options.

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I disagree, Cavs are desperate for a starting level SF. Two would be ideal.

Would this be more appealling?

CLE gets LeVert+JHoliday+Lamb+Springer
CLE gives Sexton+Rubio+Cedi
Garland, Okoro, JHoliday, Mobley, Allen -- Springer, Lamb, Levert, Markannen, Love

IND gets Simmons+Curry+Cedi
IND gives Brogdon+LeVert+JHoliday+Lamb

PHI gets Brogdon+Sexton+Rubio
PHI gives Simmons+Curry+Springer

LaVert simply isn't good enough to be the only thing of value offered for Sexton and none of these other pieces are worth Rubio.

You're free to disagree but the Cavs aren't paying the majority of the price for Simmons and ending up with LaVert and a pu pu player. If you really think this is fair, then Philly should have no problem taking the Indy package and cutting the Cavs out..

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Cavs aren't needed, just thought this could really help the Cavs out. Who are you running at SF this season?

[jbk1234]

I disagree, Cavs are desperate for a starting level SF. Two would be ideal.

Would this be more appealling?

CLE gets LeVert+JHoliday+Lamb+Springer
CLE gives Sexton+Rubio+Cedi
Garland, Okoro, JHoliday, Mobley, Allen -- Springer, Lamb, Levert, Markannen, Love

IND gets Simmons+Curry+Cedi
IND gives Brogdon+LeVert+JHoliday+Lamb

PHI gets Brogdon+Sexton+Rubio
PHI gives Simmons+Curry+Springer

LaVert simply isn't good enough to be the only thing of value offered for Sexton and none of these other pieces are worth Rubio.

You're free to disagree but the Cavs aren't paying the majority of the price for Simmons and ending up with LaVert and a pu pu player. If you really think this is fair, then Philly should have no problem taking the Indy package and cutting the Cavs out..

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Cavs aren't needed, just thought this could really help the Cavs out. Who are you running at SF this season?

Okoro.

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[zimpy27]

IND gets Simmons+Siakam
IND gives Brogdon+LeVert+Turner+lamb
Simmons, Sumner, Warren, Siakam, Sabonis -- McConnell, Duarte, JHoliday, Oshae, Goga -- Sykes, Taylor, Martin, Craig, Jackson

PHI gets Brogdon+LeVert
PHI gives Simmons
Curry, Brogdon, Green, Harris, Embiid -- Maxey, Thybulle, LeVert, Niang, Drummond -- Springer, Joe, Milton, Korkmaz, Reed

TOR gets Turner+Lamb
TOR gives Siakam
FVV, Trent, OG, Barnes, Turner -- Flynn, Dragic, Lamb, Achiuwa, Birch -- Banton, Bonga, Yuta, Dekker, Gillespie


This trade balances the rosters nicely while moving Simmons IMO. Sabonis and Turner could be swapped, couldn't decide which player that Raptors and Indy would want. Decided on Turner because Barnes and FVV add enough playmaking.

[Godaddycurse]

IND gets Simmons+Siakam
IND gives Brogdon+LeVert+Turner+lamb
Simmons, Sumner, Warren, Siakam, Sabonis -- McConnell, Duarte, JHoliday, Oshae, Goga -- Sykes, Taylor, Martin, Craig, Jackson

PHI gets Brogdon+LeVert
PHI gives Simmons
Curry, Brogdon, Green, Harris, Embiid -- Maxey, Thybulle, LeVert, Niang, Drummond -- Springer, Joe, Milton, Korkmaz, Reed
Philly lacked playmaking in the playoffs and that was with Simmons on the team. They've lost Simmons+Curry but added more playmaking than they had before. They will be a better team next season and shouldn't get substantially worse when starters swap with bench.

TOR gets Turner+Lamb
TOR gives Siakam
FVV, Trent, OG, Barnes, Turner -- Flynn, Dragic, Lamb, Achiuwa, Birch -- Banton, Bonga, Yuta, Dekker, Gillespie

No from Toronto. Masai is not trading siakam for now. Will have to wait for trade deadline to see if things change (ie raptors losing and is tanking)

[zimpy27]

IND gets Simmons+Siakam
IND gives Brogdon+LeVert+Turner+lamb
Simmons, Sumner, Warren, Siakam, Sabonis -- McConnell, Duarte, JHoliday, Oshae, Goga -- Sykes, Taylor, Martin, Craig, Jackson

PHI gets Brogdon+LeVert
PHI gives Simmons
Curry, Brogdon, Green, Harris, Embiid -- Maxey, Thybulle, LeVert, Niang, Drummond -- Springer, Joe, Milton, Korkmaz, Reed

TOR gets Turner+Lamb
TOR gives Siakam
FVV, Trent, OG, Barnes, Turner -- Flynn, Dragic, Lamb, Achiuwa, Birch -- Banton, Bonga, Yuta, Dekker, Gillespie

No from Toronto. Masai is not trading siakam for now. Will have to wait for trade deadline to see if things change (ie raptors losing and is tanking)

If they did look to trade him then does this fit? I assume Barnes and OG are planned to be the starting SF and PF sometime soon. Seems inevitable that Siakam is moved right?

[Godaddycurse]

IND gets Simmons+Siakam
IND gives Brogdon+LeVert+Turner+lamb
Simmons, Sumner, Warren, Siakam, Sabonis -- McConnell, Duarte, JHoliday, Oshae, Goga -- Sykes, Taylor, Martin, Craig, Jackson

PHI gets Brogdon+LeVert
PHI gives Simmons
Curry, Brogdon, Green, Harris, Embiid -- Maxey, Thybulle, LeVert, Niang, Drummond -- Springer, Joe, Milton, Korkmaz, Reed

TOR gets Turner+Lamb
TOR gives Siakam
FVV, Trent, OG, Barnes, Turner -- Flynn, Dragic, Lamb, Achiuwa, Birch -- Banton, Bonga, Yuta, Dekker, Gillespie

No from Toronto. Masai is not trading siakam for now. Will have to wait for trade deadline to see if things change (ie raptors losing and is tanking)

If they did look to trade him then does this fit? I assume Barnes and OG are planned to be the starting SF and PF sometime soon. Seems inevitable that Siakam is moved right?

They would look to trade him by adding picks for a star or for a rebuilding package if they are losing. Turner is neither and a poor inbetween move.

[NYG]

Cleveland gets Kenrich Williams for Kevin Love and Collin Sexton

-Cavaliers would create a huge trade exception without really losing any assets and without having to extend/re-sign Sexton. Williams would be a nice fit.

Houston gets Taurean Prince for Eric Gordon

-Rockets simply save money and only agree to deal with Morey to help an old friend get Simmons in the process.

Minnesota gets Ben Simmons for Patrick Beverley, Taurean Prince, Unprotected 2022 First Round Draft Pick, Unprotected 2024 First Round Draft Pick and Top 5 Protected 2026 Minnesota Timberwolves First Round Draft Pick (Top 5 Protected 2027 and Unprotected 2028)

-Minnesota keeps Edwards, Russell, Towns, McDaniels, Beasley, etc. and adds Simmons. That team could be really solid if they have/find the right coach.

Oklahoma City gets Kevin Love and 2026 Top 5 Protected Minnesota Timberwolves First Round Draft Pick (Top 5 Protected 2027 and Unprotected 2028) for Kenrich Williams

-Presti gets another legit asset for taking on money.

Philadelphia gets Collin Sexton, Eric Gordon, Patrick Beverley, 2022 Unprotected Minnesota Timberwolves First Round Draft Pick and 2024 Unprotected Minnesota Timberwolves First Round Draft Pick

-Morey gets potentially a better fitting guy that could be a legit co-star to Embiid and be beloved in Philly. Morey also brings in some of his favorite vets into the locker room and adds two firsts for a bigger deal later on.