Ben Simmons Thread (READ FIRST POST)

[KGdaBom]

What if Wolves kept Beasley? I can’t imagine 76ers value Beasley with his legal troubles and character issues.

Beverley + Prince + Youth + Picks

Youth: McDaniels or Bolmaro

Picks: easily 2x 1sts maybe 3x needed.

Keeping Beasley allows for him to be great shooting 6th man OR Edwards is starting SF and Beasley starting SG.

Beasley's legal stuff is old news over and done with. I don't think most teams care one tiny bit. Maybe Utah.

Even if that was the case (it is not), Morey would be dumbest negotiator ever not to use that in leverage. As Wolves fan, we may want that to be true, it just isn’t.

They can try to use it for leverage and we just ignore it and call their bluff.

[KGdaBom]

Taurean Prince becomes trade eligible Sept 27.

Sixers training camp opens Sept 28.

Just sayin’

Realgm has 9/10 for Prince. Where are you seeing 9/28? Not sure I can handle three plus more weeks of Simmons trade speculation lol.

Everything I have heard is 9/10/21.

[moonpie]

I've seen 9/12 for Prince, 10/1 for Pat Bev

[shrink]

I've seen 9/12 for Prince, 10/1 for Pat Bev

Sorry, they must have meant Beverley.

Because of the slightly shortened off-season, they have slightly shortened these wait times.

[moonpie]

This is where I saw it I believe

Read on Twitter

[jpatrick]

I've seen 9/12 for Prince, 10/1 for Pat Bev

Sorry, they must have meant Beverley.

Because of the slightly shortened off-season, they have slightly shortened these wait times.

If, big if, McDaniels is involved in a trade, I think it’d be Beverly that goes out, not Prince. I think Beverly would be more coveted by Philly. Plus, I think we would need Prince in that scenario. He’d probably be our starting SF.

[Dewey]

Man … I have to laugh at some of these media sites that have like 10 different trade proposals out there for Simmons … wow, no way do most of these teams do those!! Entertaining but unrealistic. I read through them and it’s like “I’ll take THAT deal - screw Simmons!!

I agree this needs to end soon … it’s really an awkward situation with such a controversial player

[SO_MONEY]

Listening to the Jon K podcast now. When discussing the pick heavy package we’re offering (vs the DLo package), he said McDaniels, Beasley, filler and “some number of unprotected first round picks.”

So he believes the offer includes McDaniels and multiple, unprotected picks. We’ll see if he’s right but the way he says it, sure sounds like this is a standing offer we have out there and his info is coming from inside the Wolves FO (the second part is just my impression).

I listened to the podcast Jon K. was just speculating, tossing out names... saying things like "maybe", stuff you say when you have no direct knowledge of what the offer(s) might look like. His idea of what a package might be, seems to be no better than the rest of us and it is appearing as though he is offering his commentary, assessments and valuation strictly through the lens of a fan and interested party. AND that is a good thing, it means the team is playing it close to their vest, is not appearing desperate and is not giving up leverage.

[SO_MONEY]

I've seen 9/12 for Prince, 10/1 for Pat Bev

Sorry, they must have meant Beverley.

Because of the slightly shortened off-season, they have slightly shortened these wait times.

If, big if, McDaniels is involved in a trade, I think it’d be Beverly that goes out, not Prince. I think Beverly would be more coveted by Philly. Plus, I think we would need Prince in that scenario. He’d probably be our starting SF.

Correct. Very, very unlikely we would trade Price and McDaniels. We pretty much can't do it. And frankly striping ourselves down to one legitimate SF (expiring) and a rookie in Bolmaro is questionable.

[SO_MONEY]

What if Wolves kept Beasley? I can’t imagine 76ers value Beasley with his legal troubles and character issues.

Beverley + Prince + Youth + Picks

Youth: McDaniels or Bolmaro

Picks: easily 2x 1sts maybe 3x needed.

Keeping Beasley allows for him to be great shooting 6th man OR Edwards is starting SF and Beasley starting SG.

Beasley's legal stuff is old news over and done with. I don't think most teams care one tiny bit. Maybe Utah.

Even if that was the case (it is not), Morey would be dumbest negotiator ever not to use that in leverage. As Wolves fan, we may want that to be true, it just isn’t.

But it is true.

[Wolveswin]

Beasley's legal stuff is old news over and done with. I don't think most teams care one tiny bit. Maybe Utah.

Even if that was the case (it is not), Morey would be dumbest negotiator ever not to use that in leverage. As Wolves fan, we may want that to be true, it just isn’t.

But it is true.

It is true Beasley value has warts due to his criminal past. Wolves will belittle it — 76ers will highlight it. Wishing and hoping enough time has passed that his value isn’t still affected is nice, just not reality.

[SO_MONEY]

Even if that was the case (it is not), Morey would be dumbest negotiator ever not to use that in leverage. As Wolves fan, we may want that to be true, it just isn’t.

But it is true.

It is true Beasley value has warts due to his criminal past. Wolves will belittle it — 76ers will highlight it. Wishing and hoping enough time has passed that his value isn’t still affected is nice, just not reality.

You are making two separate points.

1) that his value is decreased due to his criminal issues, it is not. Teams don't care, his contract is really friendly. It is a non-issue.

2) that teams would use his criminal issues as leverage, they would, but ultimately it wouldn't factor in, they would want him or not based on contract value, production, age ect...

His criminal issues are not holding back his trade value. I am all about risk aversion and even I don't worry too much about things like that. Those worries are held by self-righteous people who don't have their jobs held accountable to providing a quality product. Now if there were workplace issues, it would be a different story.

[Wolveswin]

But it is true.

It is true Beasley value has warts due to his criminal past. Wolves will belittle it — 76ers will highlight it. Wishing and hoping enough time has passed that his value isn’t still affected is nice, just not reality.

You are making two separate points.

1) that his value is decreased due to his criminal issues, it is not. Teams don't care, his contract is really friendly. It is a non-issue.

2) that teams would use his criminal issues as leverage, they would, but ultimately it wouldn't factor in, they would want him or not based on contract value, production, age ect...

His criminal issues are not holding back his trade value. I am all about risk aversion and even I don't worry too much about things like that. Those worries are held by self-righteous people who don't have their jobs held accountable to providing a quality product. Now if there were workplace issues, it would be a different story.

It’s not two separate issues. If you don’t think Morey is saying, “Other than picks, your deal Wolves is highlighted by a player very recently going through a federal criminal offense.” And he is not just saying it to say it. That is real and can’t be ignored or denied just because he wears your home team jersey.

[Krapinsky]

But it is true.

It is true Beasley value has warts due to his criminal past. Wolves will belittle it — 76ers will highlight it. Wishing and hoping enough time has passed that his value isn’t still affected is nice, just not reality.

You are making two separate points.

1) that his value is decreased due to his criminal issues, it is not. Teams don't care, his contract is really friendly. It is a non-issue.

2) that teams would use his criminal issues as leverage, they would, but ultimately it wouldn't factor in, they would want him or not based on contract value, production, age ect...

His criminal issues are not holding back his trade value. I am all about risk aversion and even I don't worry too much about things like that. Those worries are held by self-righteous people who don't have their jobs held accountable to providing a quality product. Now if there were workplace issues, it would be a different story.

You might not care about past criminal convictions, but sentencing guidelines do care. If he does something stupid again he could be in jail much longer than 78 days and his NBA career might be over. Now I don't know Beasley personally and neither do you. Only those that know will be able to judge if he has a good head on his shoulders, so honestly who cares what some fan with a holier than thou attitude regarding his/her judge of character thinks.

I do know that (1) pointing a gun at a parade of homes tour in Plymouth Minnesota and (2) Beasley cheating on his baby mama with Larsa Pippen and being in the TMZ tabloids raise some red flags, and all things being equal I'd much rather have a comparable player that didn't bring those types of red flags into the locker room. So dust his baggage under the rug if you want, but my guess is other teams aren't as forgiving as you are.

[SO_MONEY]

It is true Beasley value has warts due to his criminal past. Wolves will belittle it — 76ers will highlight it. Wishing and hoping enough time has passed that his value isn’t still affected is nice, just not reality.

You are making two separate points.

1) that his value is decreased due to his criminal issues, it is not. Teams don't care, his contract is really friendly. It is a non-issue.

2) that teams would use his criminal issues as leverage, they would, but ultimately it wouldn't factor in, they would want him or not based on contract value, production, age ect...

His criminal issues are not holding back his trade value. I am all about risk aversion and even I don't worry too much about things like that. Those worries are held by self-righteous people who don't have their jobs held accountable to providing a quality product. Now if there were workplace issues, it would be a different story.

It’s not two separate issues. If you don’t think Morey is saying, “Other than picks, your deal Wolves is highlighted by a player very recently going through a federal criminal offense.” And he is not just saying it to say it. That is real and can’t be ignored or denied just because he wears your home team jersey.

He would be saying it to say it.

He doesn't care, you care. I have no idea why?

In fact, probably the only things a team would care about beyond workplace issues would be things connected to social justice. Things like past racist comments, abuse of women ect... And really that is a business decision weighing the impacts of negative press. If there were not fallout they wouldn't care much about them either. Marcus Smart attacked a fan, who only called him "a pice of crap"...was then drafted 6th... and that is a workplace issue. You are putting too much thought into this, probably projecting your feelings not facts or historical precedent.

[jpatrick]

I think there would be some fan/media backlash. The charging doc indicated not only that he pointed a gun at the family outside his home but also his young child (baby?) with drugs all around. That will cause a stir when he arrives.

Maybe not long lasting but might be something for Morey to consider, especially since the majority of the Philly fans will think a pick heavy package with Beasley as the headlining player is crap. I completely disagree with them. Embiid loved playing with Reddick and Beasley is the closest to JJ that they can acquire.

[mplsfonz23]

Sorry, they must have meant Beverley.

Because of the slightly shortened off-season, they have slightly shortened these wait times.

If, big if, McDaniels is involved in a trade, I think it’d be Beverly that goes out, not Prince. I think Beverly would be more coveted by Philly. Plus, I think we would need Prince in that scenario. He’d probably be our starting SF.

Correct. Very, very unlikely we would trade Price and McDaniels. We pretty much can't do it. And frankly striping ourselves down to one legitimate SF (expiring) and a rookie in Bolmaro is questionable.

I have a feeling Mac is off the table, and that could be a holdup.

I don't think we should cash up much to Philly. It's their "process" not ours that failed. To bail them out with picks and prospects like Jayden would be a bad deal for us considering the type game Simmons has. Trade Lo for him and fill in the rest.

[Nick K]

It is true Beasley value has warts due to his criminal past. Wolves will belittle it — 76ers will highlight it. Wishing and hoping enough time has passed that his value isn’t still affected is nice, just not reality.

You are making two separate points.

1) that his value is decreased due to his criminal issues, it is not. Teams don't care, his contract is really friendly. It is a non-issue.

2) that teams would use his criminal issues as leverage, they would, but ultimately it wouldn't factor in, they would want him or not based on contract value, production, age ect...

His criminal issues are not holding back his trade value. I am all about risk aversion and even I don't worry too much about things like that. Those worries are held by self-righteous people who don't have their jobs held accountable to providing a quality product. Now if there were workplace issues, it would be a different story.

It’s not two separate issues. If you don’t think Morey is saying, “Other than picks, your deal Wolves is highlighted by a player very recently going through a federal criminal offense.” And he is not just saying it to say it. That is real and can’t be ignored or denied just because he wears your home team jersey.

It goes away because he's a 40% 3 pt shooter. Everybody can use that.

[KGdaBom]

Even if that was the case (it is not), Morey would be dumbest negotiator ever not to use that in leverage. As Wolves fan, we may want that to be true, it just isn’t.

But it is true.

It is true Beasley value has warts due to his criminal past. Wolves will belittle it — 76ers will highlight it. Wishing and hoping enough time has passed that his value isn’t still affected is nice, just not reality.

i would say it diminishes his value between 1%-5%. He's the best player the Wolves will offer so the 76ers can take him or leave him. Considering the super friends angle Russell won't be offered. If the 76ers pass on Beasley the only way to make salaries match is more or less Prince and Beverley.

[shrink]

Beasley's legal stuff is old news over and done with. I don't think most teams care one tiny bit. Maybe Utah.

Even if that was the case (it is not), Morey would be dumbest negotiator ever not to use that in leverage.

Rosas didn’t.

The deal turned out to be good, but I think he should have squeezed him. Rosas didn’t make the Beasley situation, and he had far more leverage. The crime wasn’t old news back then (I believe it happened about a week before he signing), plus back then, no one new how many games Beasley would lose due to NBA suspension and jail time.