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Re: We HAVE to trade Deandre Jordan 

Post#21 » by DarkXaero » Fri Sep 3, 2021 6:42 pm

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There is literally nothing to support that mcgee is "way" better then DJ... and I love me some javale mcgee

Last year:

McGee 7 pts, 5 rebs, 1.2 blocks on 51% FG 65% FT 54 TS%

-2.1 BPM -2.74 RPM

DJ 7 points, rebounds, 1.1 blocks on 76% FG 50% FT, 73.6 TS%

+0.7 BPM, -1.02 RPM

Neither shot threes. DJ played 6 more minutes a game. There are more advanced stats we could digest, but the majority also favor deandre. its not all stats, some of it is eye test or circumstance. maybe you can use that to say its even or McGee is better. but no way its "way better". The spot where McGee may have had DJ was blocks or rim protection but he has declined a bit as an athlete which has also effected his finishing/ability to get ot the front of the rim without the ball. which is why McGee was horrid for a bigman in efficiency while DJ was league best type efficiency.
McGee plays actual defense, he can actually still move and he has an actual motor unlike DJ. There's not a single team in the NBA that would take DJ over McGee right now, posting BPM is a joke.


This is a weak response.

I didn't just throw out BPM alone like some cherry picked stat. "Mcgee can actually still move" isnt super accurate, he is probably less athletic then jordan at this point. He wasnt very good finishing and his rim protection was way down. For a guy who "played actual defense" he was arguably nuetral to negative. and offensively, he was pretty putrid.

The point wasnt how many teams would take mcgee over DJ. the point was McGee is comporable, which he is, and his contract number is fair market value for deandre.
Your every single response is weak, I'm not gonna bother putting effort in like I have before. You're literally the only person I've seen on the internet defending DJ like this. Congrats, you deserve a medal for that. BPM is a trash stat btw.
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Re: We HAVE to trade Deandre Jordan 

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Re: We HAVE to trade Deandre Jordan 

Post#23 » by Rich Rane » Fri Sep 3, 2021 9:16 pm

Rich Rane wrote:If DJ is somehow traded, it would most likely be to a non-contending team with cap space and mainly for a first rounder/young talent attached. I'm guessing that team would then work a buyout with him and he'd choose a contender anyway.


First rounder, 4 second rounders...close enough.
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Re: We HAVE to trade Deandre Jordan 

Post#24 » by Hello Brooklyn » Fri Sep 3, 2021 9:53 pm

Great move. We had no room for all those 2nd rounders anyway. Vets will keep signing.

Jordan's contract was costing us too much. Rotation looks great now.

We can either start Aldridge or Claxton at Center. And go small if need be with Blake.
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Post#25 » by therealbig3 » Tue Sep 7, 2021 2:25 am

Deandre Jordan is a bum player, has been for years. He'll be about as useful for the Lakers as Drummond was...aka he won't be useful at all, and will likely be riding the bench in the most important games of the season.
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Re: We HAVE to trade Deandre Jordan 

Post#26 » by therealbig3 » Tue Sep 7, 2021 2:28 am

DarkXaero wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:McGee plays actual defense, he can actually still move and he has an actual motor unlike DJ. There's not a single team in the NBA that would take DJ over McGee right now, posting BPM is a joke.


This is a weak response.

I didn't just throw out BPM alone like some cherry picked stat. "Mcgee can actually still move" isnt super accurate, he is probably less athletic then jordan at this point. He wasnt very good finishing and his rim protection was way down. For a guy who "played actual defense" he was arguably nuetral to negative. and offensively, he was pretty putrid.

The point wasnt how many teams would take mcgee over DJ. the point was McGee is comporable, which he is, and his contract number is fair market value for deandre.
Your every single response is weak, I'm not gonna bother putting effort in like I have before. You're literally the only person I've seen on the internet defending DJ like this. Congrats, you deserve a medal for that. BPM is a trash stat btw.


I think both McGee and DJ are trash and are massively overpaid. Neither one makes any sort of difference for a team looking to win games, and are end of the bench guys for any serious playoff run...if they're getting key minutes in the playoffs for any reason, your team likely isn't doing well anyway.
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Re: We HAVE to trade Deandre Jordan 

Post#27 » by Prokorov » Tue Sep 7, 2021 1:32 pm

therealbig3 wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
This is a weak response.

I didn't just throw out BPM alone like some cherry picked stat. "Mcgee can actually still move" isnt super accurate, he is probably less athletic then jordan at this point. He wasnt very good finishing and his rim protection was way down. For a guy who "played actual defense" he was arguably nuetral to negative. and offensively, he was pretty putrid.

The point wasnt how many teams would take mcgee over DJ. the point was McGee is comporable, which he is, and his contract number is fair market value for deandre.
Your every single response is weak, I'm not gonna bother putting effort in like I have before. You're literally the only person I've seen on the internet defending DJ like this. Congrats, you deserve a medal for that. BPM is a trash stat btw.


I think both McGee and DJ are trash and are massively overpaid. Neither one makes any sort of difference for a team looking to win games, and are end of the bench guys for any serious playoff run...if they're getting key minutes in the playoffs for any reason, your team likely isn't doing well anyway.


You need guys who block shots and finish at the rim in the playoffs. those guys have proven to do that. there is a reason title teams have looked at both and mcgee has won rings. yeah they will be unplayable at times, but you need chess pieces vs good coaches. teams go so small sometimes you need a rim rolling big to get them to alter that.

either way, big "duh" on my part. trade didnt matter, his new team was going to always buy him out and he'd end up on LA either way.

Im glad we got sekou at least. i loved him at the draft. but he may be cut. either way, its all moot now.
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Re: We HAVE to trade Deandre Jordan 

Post#28 » by Prokorov » Tue Sep 7, 2021 1:34 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:Great move. We had no room for all those 2nd rounders anyway. Vets will keep signing.

Jordan's contract was costing us too much. Rotation looks great now.

We can either start Aldridge or Claxton at Center. And go small if need be with Blake.


I'd be really surprised if blake doesnt start at center. he is by far our best option there and closest to a 2-way player floor spacer. I'm all for taking Joe Harris off as a starter for defense, but not for a worse offensive player/floor spacer in LMA.

We cant make moves to playing time that make us worse defensively. we need to improve there.
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Re: We HAVE to trade Deandre Jordan 

Post#29 » by Hello Brooklyn » Tue Sep 7, 2021 6:09 pm

Prokorov wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:Great move. We had no room for all those 2nd rounders anyway. Vets will keep signing.

Jordan's contract was costing us too much. Rotation looks great now.

We can either start Aldridge or Claxton at Center. And go small if need be with Blake.


I'd be really surprised if blake doesnt start at center. he is by far our best option there and closest to a 2-way player floor spacer. I'm all for taking Joe Harris off as a starter for defense, but not for a worse offensive player/floor spacer in LMA.

We cant make moves to playing time that make us worse defensively. we need to improve there.


Blake is not going to start full time at Center. Its good for limited minutes in certain matchups. But its too much to ask of him long term. Hes already injury prone.

I still think we need a full time true center.

Honestly it may be better to go with

Kyrie
Harden
Harris
KD
Aldridge

Then we can close with

Kyrie
Harden
Harris
KD
Blake
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Re: We HAVE to trade Deandre Jordan 

Post#30 » by Packers+NetsWIN » Tue Sep 7, 2021 7:13 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:Great move. We had no room for all those 2nd rounders anyway. Vets will keep signing.

Jordan's contract was costing us too much. Rotation looks great now.

We can either start Aldridge or Claxton at Center. And go small if need be with Blake.


I'd be really surprised if blake doesnt start at center. he is by far our best option there and closest to a 2-way player floor spacer. I'm all for taking Joe Harris off as a starter for defense, but not for a worse offensive player/floor spacer in LMA.

We cant make moves to playing time that make us worse defensively. we need to improve there.


Blake is not going to start full time at Center. Its good for limited minutes in certain matchups. But its too much to ask of him long term. Hes already injury prone.

I still think we need a full time true center.

Honestly it may be better to go with

Kyrie
Harden
Harris
KD
Aldridge

Then we can close with

Kyrie
Harden
Harris
KD
Blake


I'd rather have the team close with:

Kyrie
Mills
Harden
KD
Blake

I think that lineup would be the most difficult for opposing defense to stop.
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Re: We HAVE to trade Deandre Jordan 

Post#31 » by Prokorov » Wed Sep 8, 2021 1:38 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:Great move. We had no room for all those 2nd rounders anyway. Vets will keep signing.

Jordan's contract was costing us too much. Rotation looks great now.

We can either start Aldridge or Claxton at Center. And go small if need be with Blake.


I'd be really surprised if blake doesnt start at center. he is by far our best option there and closest to a 2-way player floor spacer. I'm all for taking Joe Harris off as a starter for defense, but not for a worse offensive player/floor spacer in LMA.

We cant make moves to playing time that make us worse defensively. we need to improve there.


Blake is not going to start full time at Center. Its good for limited minutes in certain matchups. But its too much to ask of him long term. Hes already injury prone.

I still think we need a full time true center.

Honestly it may be better to go with

Kyrie
Harden
Harris
KD
Aldridge

Then we can close with

Kyrie
Harden
Harris
KD
Blake


I dont see how he plays any other spot. it will be more taxing for him to play positions where he needs to move more. at center not as much is required and he will get to play bigger slower guys more often. He is also not a very good player once you move him at PF.

If to keep him health you limit him to 20 minutes over 50 games so he can play 38minuts at center in the playoffs im cool with that. i just dont see what value he brings at PF. as a PF, he is an avg at best shooter, below avg at best defender and there are several better options.

At center he is a solid shooter, avg or better defender, and there probably is no better option.

im not worried about blake. he will make the roster and get minutes. im more concerned with who gets cut/trade and who is gone from the rotaiton.

i mean if blake plays PF and its working then ill just STFU and enjoy it. If he doesnt you move him back to center.... but if bembry is cut or claxton is traded/getting DNP-CDs thats another story and not as easily reversed.
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Re: We HAVE to trade Deandre Jordan 

Post#32 » by Prokorov » Wed Sep 8, 2021 1:39 pm

Packers+NetsWIN wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
I'd be really surprised if blake doesnt start at center. he is by far our best option there and closest to a 2-way player floor spacer. I'm all for taking Joe Harris off as a starter for defense, but not for a worse offensive player/floor spacer in LMA.

We cant make moves to playing time that make us worse defensively. we need to improve there.


Blake is not going to start full time at Center. Its good for limited minutes in certain matchups. But its too much to ask of him long term. Hes already injury prone.

I still think we need a full time true center.

Honestly it may be better to go with

Kyrie
Harden
Harris
KD
Aldridge

Then we can close with

Kyrie
Harden
Harris
KD
Blake


I'd rather have the team close with:

Kyrie
Mills
Harden
KD
Blake

I think that lineup would be the most difficult for opposing defense to stop.


I agree. all 5 guys can get their own shot, hit a three, and attack a closeout

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