Not sure it really matters. If anything it strengthens the ties to MLSE.
At this point Canada Basketball is basically ran by MLSE. No opinion either way on that. MLSE has a ton of resources that are helpful.
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Mattd97 wrote:So 11 and 1 would likely be;
Wiggins
SGA
NAW
Birch
Powell
Boucher
Brooks
Dort
RJ
KO
...Mulder? Oshae? Cojo? Pangos? Clarke? TT? God forbid lyles?
And the one not there but being committed being murray
Kenter16 wrote:Mattd97 wrote:So 11 and 1 would likely be;
Wiggins
SGA
NAW
Birch
Powell
Boucher
Brooks
Dort
RJ
KO
...Mulder? Oshae? Cojo? Pangos? Clarke? TT? God forbid lyles?
And the one not there but being committed being murray
Check out my list above.
No Lyles, CoJo, TT, Pangos, Clarke or Powell in Vegas at that time.
Can’t find proof that RJ and Olynyk were not there. So I think they were.
It’s unlikely Jamal is the one not in Vegas commitment. I have no idea, but I can’t get there in my head. Too many injuries to lay down a 3 year commitment. If he decided the summer of ‘24 that he wanted to go to the Olympics, they will likely roll out the red carpet and welcome him back into the fold.
I have also been speculating on who was there that may not commit. Nurse said +/- 1 of the Eleven. So, to me, he didn’t get positive vibes from 1 of the attendees. I can’t get there with Chris Boucher. He has always been half in, half out. Which is fine, he was a late bloomer and has an even smaller window to cash in on. To me, he went because Nurse is his NBA coach and he wanted to appease him. Don’t think he’s committed.
Based on the evidence, my core would be - SGA, NAW, Dort, Mulder, Wiggins, Brooks, Birch and Edey. That’s a medal contending core, no doubt. If we do find out that RJ and Olynyk attended and commit, then we are set. Then we have a core that we can definitely win with. These players have minimal contractual road blocks ahead of them.
We won’t really know if this is any more than a theory until the Americup roster is announced.
GoRaptors wrote:Kenter16 wrote:Mattd97 wrote:So 11 and 1 would likely be;
Wiggins
SGA
NAW
Birch
Powell
Boucher
Brooks
Dort
RJ
KO
...Mulder? Oshae? Cojo? Pangos? Clarke? TT? God forbid lyles?
And the one not there but being committed being murray
Check out my list above.
No Lyles, CoJo, TT, Pangos, Clarke or Powell in Vegas at that time.
Can’t find proof that RJ and Olynyk were not there. So I think they were.
It’s unlikely Jamal is the one not in Vegas commitment. I have no idea, but I can’t get there in my head. Too many injuries to lay down a 3 year commitment. If he decided the summer of ‘24 that he wanted to go to the Olympics, they will likely roll out the red carpet and welcome him back into the fold.
I have also been speculating on who was there that may not commit. Nurse said +/- 1 of the Eleven. So, to me, he didn’t get positive vibes from 1 of the attendees. I can’t get there with Chris Boucher. He has always been half in, half out. Which is fine, he was a late bloomer and has an even smaller window to cash in on. To me, he went because Nurse is his NBA coach and he wanted to appease him. Don’t think he’s committed.
Based on the evidence, my core would be - SGA, NAW, Dort, Mulder, Wiggins, Brooks, Birch and Edey. That’s a medal contending core, no doubt. If we do find out that RJ and Olynyk attended and commit, then we are set. Then we have a core that we can definitely win with. These players have minimal contractual road blocks ahead of them.
We won’t really know if this is any more than a theory until the Americup roster is announced.
How would you fill our the remaining two spots given your list of the 10 expected players Jamal Murray would have one spot if available. Beyond that the team would have two main needs. One is a power forward who can score and is not a defensive liability. The other is one more point guard for depth. The team as currently and provisionally constituted might have one too many shooting guards. Wiggins might have to play some power forward for this team regardless which could also affect the depth at small forward to a degree.
Hair Canada wrote:GoRaptors wrote:Kenter16 wrote:Check out my list above.
No Lyles, CoJo, TT, Pangos, Clarke or Powell in Vegas at that time.
Can’t find proof that RJ and Olynyk were not there. So I think they were.
It’s unlikely Jamal is the one not in Vegas commitment. I have no idea, but I can’t get there in my head. Too many injuries to lay down a 3 year commitment. If he decided the summer of ‘24 that he wanted to go to the Olympics, they will likely roll out the red carpet and welcome him back into the fold.
I have also been speculating on who was there that may not commit. Nurse said +/- 1 of the Eleven. So, to me, he didn’t get positive vibes from 1 of the attendees. I can’t get there with Chris Boucher. He has always been half in, half out. Which is fine, he was a late bloomer and has an even smaller window to cash in on. To me, he went because Nurse is his NBA coach and he wanted to appease him. Don’t think he’s committed.
Based on the evidence, my core would be - SGA, NAW, Dort, Mulder, Wiggins, Brooks, Birch and Edey. That’s a medal contending core, no doubt. If we do find out that RJ and Olynyk attended and commit, then we are set. Then we have a core that we can definitely win with. These players have minimal contractual road blocks ahead of them.
We won’t really know if this is any more than a theory until the Americup roster is announced.
How would you fill our the remaining two spots given your list of the 10 expected players Jamal Murray would have one spot if available. Beyond that the team would have two main needs. One is a power forward who can score and is not a defensive liability. The other is one more point guard for depth. The team as currently and provisionally constituted might have one too many shooting guards. Wiggins might have to play some power forward for this team regardless which could also affect the depth at small forward to a degree.
That's kind of a dream team and I have a hard time believing we'll see all of these given what we've seen happen time and time again despite the best intentions of many. But if we assume these 10 are in, then if Murray is available we're all covered at PG. Even if not, I think SGA and NAW can hold the position well. Could always also bring in Pangos if he's available. And if not him, then Co-Jo probably deserves this spot.
As for a "power forward who can score and is not a defensive liability", if Boucher is indeed out then I wouldn't mind seeing any of Clarke, Brissett, Powell, or Lyles in that role (just a reminder that in this dream team scenario we're talking the 10-12 man who gets sparse minutes off the bench and might not even play in tight games, with Olynyk and Wiggins playing most of the minutes at the 4).
mojo13 wrote:It’s a pipe dream at this point fellas. But if you want to keep trying to kick the football I’m not gonna stop you. It’s all just wishing until we actually see who shows up at camp next summer. And more importantly the next World Cup camp (which certainly won’t be the same 12 guys). They talked the same crap last time around and the cycle before that. I can dig out articles of Triano singing the same song.
Im turning to the November World Cup Qualfiers. Pretty sure I can count on the Scrubbs, Keane, Morgan and Klassen. Hopefully we see some of Ejim, Wiltjer, Alexander, Robertson as well. I’ll be tickled if Pierre and Shayok are released to play and if either of the Ennis bros are able to play. Maybe an in-shape Bennett too.
ItsDanger wrote:If the players are serious about next Olympics, they should try to qualify before that. Means much shorter commitment periods. Other than the US, the Americas are weak. A full turnout should mean 2nd place and a spot in Olympics.
Boselecta wrote:Canada is only as good as there 2nd team. Forget having our top 12 NBA guys because this will never happen unless its the Olympics or something. Outside of the top 12 Canadian NBA players whos the next 12 realistic options? I think this will give us a better idea of who will be playing in these qualifying games.
Hopefully the Canadian talent pool keeps increasing so even our second team would be pretty dangerous one of these days.
Kenter16 wrote:ItsDanger wrote:If the players are serious about next Olympics, they should try to qualify before that. Means much shorter commitment periods. Other than the US, the Americas are weak. A full turnout should mean 2nd place and a spot in Olympics.
The only way to qualify for the Olympics directly is through the World cup in 2023. The Americup next year is a stand alone tournament and will not determine any world cup or Olympic qualifications.
ItsDanger wrote:Kenter16 wrote:ItsDanger wrote:If the players are serious about next Olympics, they should try to qualify before that. Means much shorter commitment periods. Other than the US, the Americas are weak. A full turnout should mean 2nd place and a spot in Olympics.
The only way to qualify for the Olympics directly is through the World cup in 2023. The Americup next year is a stand alone tournament and will not determine any world cup or Olympic qualifications.
Top 2 Americas qualify in that though I think.
Kenter16 wrote:ItsDanger wrote:Kenter16 wrote:
The only way to qualify for the Olympics directly is through the World cup in 2023. The Americup next year is a stand alone tournament and will not determine any world cup or Olympic qualifications.
Top 2 Americas qualify in that though I think.
No, Americup is a stand alone tournament now
Kenter16 wrote:mojo13 wrote:It’s a pipe dream at this point fellas. But if you want to keep trying to kick the football I’m not gonna stop you. It’s all just wishing until we actually see who shows up at camp next summer. And more importantly the next World Cup camp (which certainly won’t be the same 12 guys). They talked the same crap last time around and the cycle before that. I can dig out articles of Triano singing the same song.
Im turning to the November World Cup Qualfiers. Pretty sure I can count on the Scrubbs, Keane, Morgan and Klassen. Hopefully we see some of Ejim, Wiltjer, Alexander, Robertson as well. I’ll be tickled if Pierre and Shayok are released to play and if either of the Ennis bros are able to play. Maybe an in-shape Bennett too.
I get the skepticism, I am not too far from you here.
But, glass half full look - Triano said that in 2012. For the 2013 Americup we had everyone, except Nash and Macgloire, who were not going to play. Bennett was also not included because of a shoulder injury.
We had Cojo, Nicholson, TT, Andy Rautins and Joel Anthony. This was the best turnout we had to date. Problem is, they bombed! We didn't qualify for the 2014 World cup. So we didn't see what our roster would have looked like for that WC.
Then, in 2015 (Yup, still hurts), we again had a massive turn out. Only TT was missing. Lets no re-hash this one.
2016 in Manila, TT was back, but there were some sour grapes and hurt feelings from 2015 that led to a low turnout.
My point here, is its not much of a stretch to say that Triano got a 4 year commitment from his key players. The results just were not there to require a 4 year commitment. If we qualify for WC 2014 and Venezuela didn't happen, we would have seen the commitment. When he said it we had 6 NBA players. He got 4 (Cojo, TT, Nicholson, Joel Anthony) to commit for the Olympic cycle.
Nurse was quoted as saying he invited 15 players to Vegas, 11 came. That means that 11 guys are willing to commit. If you look at the 'probable 11' there won't be contractual situations getting in the way for the next couple seasons. The Americup and the 2023 WC are going to be played in August/September. There is reason to be positive here. Commitment has been there in the past and due to the sheer number of NBA players we have, the odds are in our favour.
Boselecta wrote:Kenter16 wrote:ItsDanger wrote:Top 2 Americas qualify in that though I think.
No, Americup is a stand alone tournament now
So what's the motivation for any top teams to participate in the Americup? I was thinking there would at least be World cup qualification
Kenter16 wrote:Boselecta wrote:Kenter16 wrote:No, Americup is a stand alone tournament now
So what's the motivation for any top teams to participate in the Americup? I was thinking there would at least be World cup qualification
Pride
Kenter16 wrote:Boselecta wrote:Kenter16 wrote:No, Americup is a stand alone tournament now
So what's the motivation for any top teams to participate in the Americup? I was thinking there would at least be World cup qualification
Pride
UcanUwill wrote:Kenter16 wrote:Boselecta wrote:
So what's the motivation for any top teams to participate in the Americup? I was thinking there would at least be World cup qualification
Pride
Will USA even participate, they only saw Americup as a qualifying tournament, and when they were qualified already, they didnt even participate in the past. Which I find crazy, because I dont get how teams from AMericas dont care for their continental award. I mean in Europe everyone cares about Eurobasket and being a champion of Europe, why dont you westerns dont care about that? Thats weird to me.