Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3

[Tomjas]

Not only was it a bogus report but there’s other teams within relatively short distance of LA but in other states

Kings make no sense for Ben at all

?. California, obviously

Multiple Philadelphia writers, Keith Pompey and Jason Dumas have reported the same idea.

So its multiple Sixers local writers or one national reporter (Broussard) who isnt overly respected.

Pompey has no credibility, Dumas has no contacts and Simmons doesn’t speak

As a Sixers fan, 2 things that we have come to know about Simmons rumours is that virtually none of them are true and that he will make no effort to correct them

[shrink]

They're on the clock with KAT and Simmons can slide right in at the 4. It's a perfect fit.

The two biggest myths about MIN, in one convenient package.

Towns has never even grumbled about being in Minnesota. Even during the Jimmy fiasco, he never said a single negative word. MIN brought in DLo which thrilled KAT, and while people say that’s why DLO can’t be traded, they never say it’s why KAT won’t. Towns is excited with the upside of Edwards in the second half, and the three seemed to be able to all get theirs without hurting each other. Towns views MIN’s lack of success as his own personal dragon to slay, and is very excited of getting to play with DLO next season with both healthy. If you’ve seen pictures of Towns this summer, he is super fit. With three years on his deal (Towns didn’t even ask for a player option for Year 5!), I don’t think MIN is anywhere close to even a Lillard situation.

And the “perfect fit” next to Towns, at a minimum, needs to be able to shoot three pointers and draw a defender to the three point line, so that MIN doesn’t lose it’s matchup advantage with KAT inside and outside, and clog up Edwards’ drives. Simmons defense would certainly help the team, but his inability/unwillingness to shoot really hurts - people need to stop using the term “perfect.”

This reads like honest-to-god propaganda.

Being on the clock isn't just about KAT leaving anyway, it's about him not being *that* young anymore and the fact that it's very rare for teams to jump from bottom feeders to contenders without going through a few intermediate steps over the course of several. If you ever want to contend with KAT, you need to at least achieve the first step -reaching the playoffs and not being completely embarrassed in the first round- at some point in the near future.

It's easy to say 'well he's only 25 and he's under contract for 3 more years' but you're not going to go from zeros to contenders overnight, if you want to look like even fringe contenders before his contract expires you really need to show the first glimmers of that potential this season.

Funny, I think the “small market team needs to make my move or the star will leave” is the propaganda. Granted, it’s the same story we hear over and over again from national sources, because it gets fans excited and generates clicks.

I gave you the specific facts about KAT in MIN, from his situation and his quotes. I see no evidence or quotes denying this, or supporting the “win now or he’s gone” storyline. You called this propaganda, and ironically gave the same hand-waving, generalist schpiel that has been written for a while for Beal and any other player other teams would value. ::shrug::

[zimpy27]

PHI give Simmons+Harris+Curry and get FVV+Siakam+Kenrich+TPE(33m)
FVV, Green, Korkmaz, Siakam, Embiid -- Maxey, Thybulle, Kenrich, Niang, Drummond
Philly get good value for the pieces they trade and get a health TPE out of it for future trade.

OKC give Favors+Dort+Kenrich and get Harris
OKC get Harris to pair with SGA

TOR give FVV+Siakam and get Simmons+Curry+Dort+Favors
Curry, Dort, OG, Simmons, Boucher -- Flynn, Dragic, Trent, Barnes, Favors

[babyjax13]

PHI give Simmons+Harris+Curry and get FVV+Siakam+Kenrich+TPE(33m)
FVV, Green, Korkmaz, Siakam, Embiid -- Maxey, Thybulle, Kenrich, Niang, Drummond

OKC give Favors+Dort+Kenrich and get Harris
OKC get Harris to pair with SGA

TOR give FVV+Siakam and get Simmons+Curry+Dort+Favors
Curry, Dort, OG, Simmons, Boucher -- Flynn, Dragic, Trent, Barnes, Favors

I don't see the motivation for OKC here. Maybe SGA + Harris gets them to the playin game, but probably not. I imagine they'd try to take Simmons for themselves here, rather than Tobias.

[BoogieTime]

Multiple Philadelphia writers, Keith Pompey and Jason Dumas have reported the same idea.

So its multiple Sixers local writers or one national reporter (Broussard) who isnt overly respected.

Pompey has no credibility, Dumas has no contacts and Simmons doesn’t speak

As a Sixers fan, 2 things that we have come to know about Simmons rumours is that virtually none of them are true and that he will make no effort to correct them

I don't agree that local writers would be making up stuff. I think they'd be closer to Ben as well, than Broussard.

Bt if it helps you and the other Sixers fans who believe Broussard, I'll just say his "reported" or "alleged" shortlist

[zimpy27]

PHI give Simmons+Harris+Curry and get FVV+Siakam+Kenrich+TPE(33m)
FVV, Green, Korkmaz, Siakam, Embiid -- Maxey, Thybulle, Kenrich, Niang, Drummond

OKC give Favors+Dort+Kenrich and get Harris
OKC get Harris to pair with SGA

TOR give FVV+Siakam and get Simmons+Curry+Dort+Favors
Curry, Dort, OG, Simmons, Boucher -- Flynn, Dragic, Trent, Barnes, Favors

I don't see the motivation for OKC here. Maybe SGA + Harris gets them to the playin game, but probably not. I imagine they'd try to take Simmons for themselves here, rather than Tobias.

Well I think Harris is a good talent that has a skillset that suits SGA and Giddey as OKC wings. I don't think OKC could get someone as talented as Harris without giving up picks.

[wolves_89]

Neither Rubio nor Prince can be aggregated until October 1st. Lauri can't be aggregated unti the end of October. I assume it's the same for Beverly.

Since Markkanen was signed as a free agent, I don't believe he can be traded at all for three months or until December 15 (whichever is later).

[Mike lorenzo]

Pacers
In:Simons/Tillman
Out:Sabonis/Levert

Turner/Goga
Simons/Tillman
Warren/Craig
Duarte/Lamb
Brogdon/Mcconell

76ers
In:Brooks/Kyle/Levert/Jazz22
Out:Simons/Niang

Embiid/Dru
Harris/Kyle Anderson
Green/Thybulle
Brooks/Curry
Levert/Maxey

Grizzlies
In:Sabonis/Niang
Out:Brooks/Kyle/Jazz22

Sabonis/Adams
JJJ/Clarke
Ziaire/Niang
Bane/Melton
Ja/Tyus

[SharpyShuffle]

The two biggest myths about MIN, in one convenient package.

Towns has never even grumbled about being in Minnesota. Even during the Jimmy fiasco, he never said a single negative word. MIN brought in DLo which thrilled KAT, and while people say that’s why DLO can’t be traded, they never say it’s why KAT won’t. Towns is excited with the upside of Edwards in the second half, and the three seemed to be able to all get theirs without hurting each other. Towns views MIN’s lack of success as his own personal dragon to slay, and is very excited of getting to play with DLO next season with both healthy. If you’ve seen pictures of Towns this summer, he is super fit. With three years on his deal (Towns didn’t even ask for a player option for Year 5!), I don’t think MIN is anywhere close to even a Lillard situation.

And the “perfect fit” next to Towns, at a minimum, needs to be able to shoot three pointers and draw a defender to the three point line, so that MIN doesn’t lose it’s matchup advantage with KAT inside and outside, and clog up Edwards’ drives. Simmons defense would certainly help the team, but his inability/unwillingness to shoot really hurts - people need to stop using the term “perfect.”

This reads like honest-to-god propaganda.

Being on the clock isn't just about KAT leaving anyway, it's about him not being *that* young anymore and the fact that it's very rare for teams to jump from bottom feeders to contenders without going through a few intermediate steps over the course of several. If you ever want to contend with KAT, you need to at least achieve the first step -reaching the playoffs and not being completely embarrassed in the first round- at some point in the near future.

It's easy to say 'well he's only 25 and he's under contract for 3 more years' but you're not going to go from zeros to contenders overnight, if you want to look like even fringe contenders before his contract expires you really need to show the first glimmers of that potential this season.

Funny, I think the “small market team needs to make my move or the star will leave” is the propaganda. Granted, it’s the same story we hear over and over again from national sources, because it gets fans excited and generates clicks.

I gave you the specific facts about KAT in MIN, from his situation and his quotes. I see no evidence or quotes denying this, or supporting the “win now or he’s gone” storyline. You called this propaganda, and ironically gave the same hand-waving, generalist schpiel that has been written for a while for Beal and any other player other teams would value. ::shrug::

Ah, so "the team's lack of success is my own personal dragon to slay" is a quote from KAT, is it? My mistake.

[babyjax13]

Pacers
In:Simons/Tillman
Out:Sabonis/Levert

Turner/Goga
Simons/Tillman
Warren/Craig
Duarte/Lamb
Brogdon/Mcconell

76ers
In:Brooks/Kyle/Levert/Jazz22
Out:Simons/Niang

Embiid/Dru
Harris/Kyle Anderson
Green/Thybulle
Brooks/Curry
Levert/Maxey

Grizzlies
In:Sabonis/Niang
Out:Brooks/Kyle/Jazz22

Sabonis/Adams
JJJ/Clarke
Ziaire/Niang
Bane/Melton
Ja/Tyus

I have Sabonis > Simmons and LeVert > Tillman, so I think Indy needs some kind of compensation here.

[Mike lorenzo]

Pacers
In:Simons/Tillman
Out:Sabonis/Levert

Turner/Goga
Simons/Tillman
Warren/Craig
Duarte/Lamb
Brogdon/Mcconell

76ers
In:Brooks/Kyle/Levert/Jazz22
Out:Simons/Niang

Embiid/Dru
Harris/Kyle Anderson
Green/Thybulle
Brooks/Curry
Levert/Maxey

Grizzlies
In:Sabonis/Niang
Out:Brooks/Kyle/Jazz22

Sabonis/Adams
JJJ/Clarke
Ziaire/Niang
Bane/Melton
Ja/Tyus

I have Sabonis > Simmons and LeVert > Tillman, so I think Indy needs some kind of compensation here.

Pacers get Clarke instead of Tillman .. I think Simons is more valuable than Sabonis because of the skill set, it is easier to fit an Elite defender with shooting problems, in today's NBA, full of shooters and dominated by guards ... than a Big, who is a poor defender and does not stretch the floor, 3 as good as it is .. needs a very specific adjustment in my opinion ... however I would love to see him in Memphis with JJJ / Ja / Bane, I could bring out all his virtues ..
I also think Indiana would win on the court ... if they get healthy ... Turner / Simons / Warren / Brogdon + all the depth of good level + Carlisle is a team that could be difficult for anyone

[Tomjas]

Multiple Philadelphia writers, Keith Pompey and Jason Dumas have reported the same idea.

So its multiple Sixers local writers or one national reporter (Broussard) who isnt overly respected.

Pompey has no credibility, Dumas has no contacts and Simmons doesn’t speak

As a Sixers fan, 2 things that we have come to know about Simmons rumours is that virtually none of them are true and that he will make no effort to correct them

I don't agree that local writers would be making up stuff. I think they'd be closer to Ben as well, than Broussard.

Bt if it helps you and the other Sixers fans who believe Broussard, I'll just say his "reported" or "alleged" shortlist

Rather than arguing about inconsequential stuff, the question is how the Kings get him

The only players that the Sixers should be interested in are Fox and Hali but they should form part of the Kings core moving forward so it’s Kings picks + assets from at least one other team

Will be complicated

[Mike lorenzo]

Kyrie for Simons ..

Irving / Embiid..sounds unstoppable (if they can stay healthy .. they get an elite attacker
Embiid / THarris / Green / Thybulle / Kyrie

Harden / KD....
(Harris / Mills / Blake / Aldrige) + Ben's defense ... sounds amazing ..
Blake / KD / Simons / Harris / Harden ..

Who says no?
Kyrie is the best player but also the most unpredictable.
Simoms is younger and it is assumed ... that he will be more valuable for a longer time

[GutUNC]

Multiple Philadelphia writers, Keith Pompey and Jason Dumas have reported the same idea.

So its multiple Sixers local writers or one national reporter (Broussard) who isnt overly respected.

Pompey has no credibility, Dumas has no contacts and Simmons doesn’t speak

As a Sixers fan, 2 things that we have come to know about Simmons rumours is that virtually none of them are true and that he will make no effort to correct them

I don't agree that local writers would be making up stuff. I think they'd be closer to Ben as well, than Broussard.

Bt if it helps you and the other Sixers fans who believe Broussard, I'll just say his "reported" or "alleged" shortlist

Not sure why you're trying to make him "local", but Dumas does nightly TV sports in San Francisco.

[cool93]

Multiple Philadelphia writers, Keith Pompey and Jason Dumas have reported the same idea.

So its multiple Sixers local writers or one national reporter (Broussard) who isnt overly respected.

Pompey has no credibility, Dumas has no contacts and Simmons doesn’t speak

As a Sixers fan, 2 things that we have come to know about Simmons rumours is that virtually none of them are true and that he will make no effort to correct them

I don't agree that local writers would be making up stuff. I think they'd be closer to Ben as well, than Broussard.

Bt if it helps you and the other Sixers fans who believe Broussard, I'll just say his "reported" or "alleged" shortlist

Stop lying and making stuff up. Dumas works in SF and isnt close to credible source.

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[BullyKing]

Pompey has no credibility, Dumas has no contacts and Simmons doesn’t speak

As a Sixers fan, 2 things that we have come to know about Simmons rumours is that virtually none of them are true and that he will make no effort to correct them

I don't agree that local writers would be making up stuff. I think they'd be closer to Ben as well, than Broussard.

Bt if it helps you and the other Sixers fans who believe Broussard, I'll just say his "reported" or "alleged" shortlist

Stop lying and making stuff up. Dumas works in SF and isnt close to credible source.

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Dumas is not credible as evidenced by his Maxey "update." But Pompey is credible. He's an absolutely horrible reporter and almost never brings anything to the table but the rare times he sources something it's typically good. I'm not going to disregard his track record simply because I'm not a fan of what he is currently reporting.

[Texas Chuck]

I'm not going to disregard his track record simply because I'm not a fan of what he is currently reporting.

Sir,

I'm gonna have to ask you to step outside this thread. This thread is for creating our own narratives and only giving credibility to sources who agree with us. If you cannot follow this simple policy, you need to refrain from posting further.

[BullyKing]

I'm not going to disregard his track record simply because I'm not a fan of what he is currently reporting.

Sir,

I'm gonna have to ask you to step outside this thread. This thread is for creating our own narratives and only giving credibility to sources who agree with us. If you cannot follow this simple policy, you need to refrain from posting further.

Oh I can create some narratives.

Kings: Vivek Ranadive is tired of losing and the Kings being the forgotten stepchild of the three California powerhouse franchises. He is desperate to bring some excitement and star power to the franchise. NBA trades are all about leverage - everything is irrelevant. And since Vivek has handed the Sixers all the leverage, I'm expecting that no price is too much.

Blazers: GM is on the hot seat. We know it. He knows it. Stotts was fired and he's the obvious next to go. If Dame demands out then it's all over for him. Simmons is the only move left on the chessboard for his continued employment. He's not going to care about trading picks that he'll otherwise never be around to make. He'll hand the Sixers a menu of everything the team owns other than Dame and tell Morey to go shopping like its Supermarket Sweep.

Cavs: Dan Gilbert is desperate to get out of Lebron's shadow and make the Cavs non-Lebron relevant for the first time since Mark Price was showing a little too much leg for anyone's comfort. He's issued an edict to start winning and to start winning now. My guess is the trade has been agreed upon and all that is left is for the Sixers to choose between Garland and Sexton as the final piece in the Okoro, filler and all available picks package.

Spurs: Pop has been effusive in his praise for Simmons and he's not sticking around to wait for these young kids to learn the game. Pop has limited time left coaching and he's not wasting it on guys too young to have a drink. White/Vassell/all 1sts offer incoming.

Wolves: Already on borrowed time with KAT and new ownership always wants to make a splash. Actually, forget it. Wolves don't have the assets.

[BlazersBroncos]

Outside the box idea:

DET TRADES
Jerian Grant to PHI
DeAndre Jordan to TOR
2022 Top-10 Protected FRP to PHI

DET RECEIVES
Ben Simmons from PHI

TOR TRADES
Goran Dragic to PHI

TOR RECEIVES
DeAndre Jordan from DET
Shake Milton from PHI

PHI TRADES
Ben Simmons to DET
Shake Milton to TOR

PHI RECEIVES
Jerian Grant from DET
Goran Dragic from TOR
2022 Top-10 Protected FRP from DET

DET makes a surprising move to get Cade another star sooner than expected
TOR cashes in on Dragic for the cost controlled Milton (Cheap for 2 more years)

76'ers end up w/

G - Goran Dragic / Tyrese Maxey / Jaden Springer
G - Danny Green / Seth Curry / Isaiah Joe
F - Jerian Grant / Mattisse Thybulle / Furkan Korkmaz
F - Tobias Harris / (Jerian Grant) / Georges Niang / Paul Reed
C - Joel Embiid / Andre Drummond / Charles Bassey

TOR may need some SRP's and the FRP may need more protection, but I think this is a nice trade for all.

[beb0p]

Not only was it a bogus report but there’s other teams within relatively short distance of LA but in other states

Kings make no sense for Ben at all

You mean the Las Vegas Raiders???

Do I think Sacramento is Simmons' top choice? No.

Do I think he'd gladly go there to escape Philly if his top choices are not viable? Yes.

Whether or not the Kings want him badly enough to give up good assets is the question. My guess is they don't want him that badly.

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