Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4

[FlyingArrow]

We just need to play maxes a the PG slot beginning of the season. Force Ben to play the 4. See how it goes. If maxey can prove to be reliable for first 10-15 games, than I'm comfortable trading Ben for a non PG. We need ball handlers on the court. Losing Simmons in a trade and not acquiring a point guard is disaster if Maxey can't prove he can bring the ball up and run a half court offense. Plus we need to see how the defense plays with or without Simmons.

Our perimeter defense sucked without Simmons last year. Something Thybulle couldn't help either. Simmons Plus Embiid on the floor keep the defense in tact. We need to see how well the defense plays without Simmons.

My prediction: no Ben for training camp. "Injury" occurs and he misses a couple of weeks for show. So Ben doesn't need to play anything for those 10-15 games. If he still hasn't been traded, he comes back from "injury" and pretends there was never any beef to begin with.

[sixers hoops]

What will come first? This thread gets to 100 pages again or Ben gets traded?????

I would say easy 100 pages. It’s the only thread really active and camp doesn’t start for 2.5 weeks. Not sure any GM is ramping up offers prior to camp week. Also, it’s difficult to discuss our on-the-court product when we don’t have a good sense who will be on our roster opening night.

[kuclas]

We just need to play maxes a the PG slot beginning of the season. Force Ben to play the 4. See how it goes. If maxey can prove to be reliable for first 10-15 games, than I'm comfortable trading Ben for a non PG. We need ball handlers on the court. Losing Simmons in a trade and not acquiring a point guard is disaster if Maxey can't prove he can bring the ball up and run a half court offense. Plus we need to see how the defense plays with or without Simmons.

Our perimeter defense sucked without Simmons last year. Something Thybulle couldn't help either. Simmons Plus Embiid on the floor keep the defense in tact. We need to see how well the defense plays without Simmons.

My prediction: no Ben for training camp. "Injury" occurs and he misses a couple of weeks for show. So Ben doesn't need to play anything for those 10-15 games. If he still hasn't been traded, he comes back from "injury" and pretends there was never any beef to begin with.

Yes he could fake the back stiffness injury and just not play at all. It doesn't matter at this point. The players discussed in Simmons trades (Brogdon, CJ, Minnesota stiffs outside of Beasley, spurs picks/players). Sixers will still be a 3-5 seed depending on the health of Embiid without Simmons.

We need to find a playable compatible with the team. This players will still be available after the season starts. It's because there teams don't necessarily need them. Norm Powell can duplicate most of what CJ does. Beasley is more of a 6 man who doesn't play defense. He's a terrific shooter. Spurs White/Murray plus picks provides Sixers depth and picks for the future. I think Pop would give up both plus 2 first round picks but Morey wanted 4 first rounds.

It is what it is at this point. We need to see what Maxey can do at the point.

[Sportfan73]

We just need to play maxes a the PG slot beginning of the season. Force Ben to play the 4. See how it goes. If maxey can prove to be reliable for first 10-15 games, than I'm comfortable trading Ben for a non PG. We need ball handlers on the court. Losing Simmons in a trade and not acquiring a point guard is disaster if Maxey can't prove he can bring the ball up and run a half court offense. Plus we need to see how the defense plays with or without Simmons.

Our perimeter defense sucked without Simmons last year. Something Thybulle couldn't help either. Simmons Plus Embiid on the floor keep the defense in tact. We need to see how well the defense plays without Simmons.

My prediction: no Ben for training camp. "Injury" occurs and he misses a couple of weeks for show. So Ben doesn't need to play anything for those 10-15 games. If he still hasn't been traded, he comes back from "injury" and pretends there was never any beef to begin with.

Yes he could fake the back stiffness injury and just not play at all. It doesn't matter at this point. The players discussed in Simmons trades (Brogdon, CJ, Minnesota stiffs outside of Beasley, spurs picks/players). Sixers will still be a 3-5 seed depending on the health of Embiid without Simmons.

We need to find a playable compatible with the team. This players will still be available after the season starts. It's because there teams don't necessarily need them. Norm Powell can duplicate most of what CJ does. Beasley is more of a 6 man who doesn't play defense. He's a terrific shooter. Spurs White/Murray plus picks provides Sixers depth and picks for the future. I think Pop would give up both plus 2 first round picks but Morey wanted 4 first rounds.

It is what it is at this point. We need to see what Maxey can do at the point.

Norm Powell and CJ are not even remotely the same player

[eyeatoma]

Hmmmmm

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32135075/everything-know-know-ben-simmons-philadelphia-76ers-their-trade-impasse

[sixers4real]

To me, Maxey > Sexton. Not right now, as a asset. Sexton will want max money next summer, and after three we kinda saw how he is and who he will be.

With Maxey, I’d say there is so much more to come. And he’s cheap for now at least.

[Sportfan73]

To me, Maxey > Sexton. Not right now, as a asset. Sexton will want max money next summer, and after three we kinda saw how he is and who he will be.

With Maxey, I’d say there is so much more to come. And he’s cheap for now at least.

A guy who’s 22 and has averaged 20+ on good efficiency the last two years we’ve saw who he is and what he can be? If Maxey can do what sexton has done we will be OVER THE MOON and want to max him immediately. Y’all gotta take your homer glasses off for a bit

[sixers4real]

Morey wants to win title, not just be competitive.
He knows a bad deal = just let Simmons expire, because no title whatsoever.

So it’s either a good deal or they’ll let Simmons sit.

This situation is completely different to the AD/Butler/Harden.

[Sportfan73]

Morey wants to win title, not just be competitive.
He knows a bad deal = just let Simmons expire, because no title whatsoever.

So it’s either a good deal or they’ll let Simmons sit.

This situation is completely different to the AD/Butler/Harden.

Embiid is 27 going on 28 weren’t not just burning a year of his prime.

[sixers4real]

To me, Maxey > Sexton. Not right now, as a asset. Sexton will want max money next summer, and after three we kinda saw how he is and who he will be.

With Maxey, I’d say there is so much more to come. And he’s cheap for now at least.

A guy who’s 22 and has averaged 20+ on good efficiency the last two years we’ve saw who he is and what he can be? If Maxey can do what sexton has done we will be OVER THE MOON and want to max him immediately. Y’all gotta take your homer glasses off for a bit

Good efficiency? Well, if we are comparing these two players, I’d say that Maxey had a higher TS% is his rookie season then Sexton. They are equal per36 PPG in their rookie season, while Maxey has lower usage and higher AST%.

[sixers4real]

Morey wants to win title, not just be competitive.
He knows a bad deal = just let Simmons expire, because no title whatsoever.

So it’s either a good deal or they’ll let Simmons sit.

This situation is completely different to the AD/Butler/Harden.

Embiid is 27 going on 28 weren’t not just burning a year of his prime.

Their is no realistic trade in the world that puts us the same tier as Nets for this season, so no coincidence Morey is searching for top draft compensation for Simmons to turn it into a star, eventually.
We should really be focused on getting prepared for this season to be a developing season. Maxey and Milton as a primary ball-handlers, they are both young, both can and should improve. And develop Thybulle as our future main wing defender. While doing so, also upper their values.

[Murray_17]

Like you guys are so down on Sexton and Fred shot 39 from the field and 36 from 3. Even last year 41 and 39. Neubeck in his article yesterday pointed out Sexton has shot over 40 percent on catch and shoot 3’s in every year of his career so far so his 48 from the field and 37.5 from 3 may have been a down year at 24ppg. How could you possibly want Fred over that

Basically what you're saying is both are similar players but one is gonna commend max money after this season and the other one no.

It's not that difficult.

One is turning 28 in a few months and one 23..

He still is gonna command a max contract he's probably not getting from us unless he really take off next year.

Even the Maxey stuff you're doing is kind of bad, if Maxey produce at those levels we would have to max him at a time Harris come off the books. It's gonna be super easy to do so and keep flexibility, if we max Sexton we are committted to a team with him, Joel and Harris for atleast two more seasons and little more to add for two more seasons.

[mjkvol]

We just need to play maxes a the PG slot beginning of the season. Force Ben to play the 4. See how it goes. If maxey can prove to be reliable for first 10-15 games, than I'm comfortable trading Ben for a non PG. We need ball handlers on the court. Losing Simmons in a trade and not acquiring a point guard is disaster if Maxey can't prove he can bring the ball up and run a half court offense. Plus we need to see how the defense plays with or without Simmons.

Our perimeter defense sucked without Simmons last year. Something Thybulle couldn't help either. Simmons Plus Embiid on the floor keep the defense in tact. We need to see how well the defense plays without Simmons.

My prediction: no Ben for training camp. "Injury" occurs and he misses a couple of weeks for show. So Ben doesn't need to play anything for those 10-15 games. If he still hasn't been traded, he comes back from "injury" and pretends there was never any beef to begin with.

100% agree because that's usually how these things work in the real world. No way is Simmons giving up a single paycheck - he'll let Klutch apply the pressure behind the scenes while he plays the good soldier for public consumption. I'm not even sure he will play the fake injury game, as that might damage his brand, which he seems to be obsessive about protecting. He knows he'll get his trade eventually, and will put up the good front publicly until it gets done. At least that's how it normally occurs.

[Tomjas]

We just need to play maxes a the PG slot beginning of the season. Force Ben to play the 4. See how it goes. If maxey can prove to be reliable for first 10-15 games, than I'm comfortable trading Ben for a non PG. We need ball handlers on the court. Losing Simmons in a trade and not acquiring a point guard is disaster if Maxey can't prove he can bring the ball up and run a half court offense. Plus we need to see how the defense plays with or without Simmons.

Our perimeter defense sucked without Simmons last year. Something Thybulle couldn't help either. Simmons Plus Embiid on the floor keep the defense in tact. We need to see how well the defense plays without Simmons.

My prediction: no Ben for training camp. "Injury" occurs and he misses a couple of weeks for show. So Ben doesn't need to play anything for those 10-15 games. If he still hasn't been traded, he comes back from "injury" and pretends there was never any beef to begin with.

100% agree because that's usually how these things work in the real world. No way is Simmons giving up a single paycheck - he'll let Klutch apply the pressure behind the scenes while he plays the good soldier for public consumption. I'm not even sure he will play the fake injury game, as that might damage his brand, which he seems to be obsessive about protecting. He knows he'll get his trade eventually, and will put up the good front publicly until it gets done. At least that's how it normally occurs.

If Simmons team knew anything about branding then there’s no way that they would allow posts of him with Ferraris or shooting jumpers in the current climate

They make him look really bad

[kuclas]

My prediction: no Ben for training camp. "Injury" occurs and he misses a couple of weeks for show. So Ben doesn't need to play anything for those 10-15 games. If he still hasn't been traded, he comes back from "injury" and pretends there was never any beef to begin with.

100% agree because that's usually how these things work in the real world. No way is Simmons giving up a single paycheck - he'll let Klutch apply the pressure behind the scenes while he plays the good soldier for public consumption. I'm not even sure he will play the fake injury game, as that might damage his brand, which he seems to be obsessive about protecting. He knows he'll get his trade eventually, and will put up the good front publicly until it gets done. At least that's how it normally occurs.

If Simmons team knew anything about branding then there’s no way that they would allow posts of him with Ferraris or shooting jumpers in the current climate

They make him look really bad

What is the Ben Simmons brand? I hardly see anything Simmons related. Commercials? Ads? I’m not in Philadelphia. But I’m in florida but see Embiid commercials.

Than again I don’t see much Giannis or Jokic branding either.

[sixers4real]

Basically what you're saying is both are similar players but one is gonna commend max money after this season and the other one no.

It's not that difficult.

One is turning 28 in a few months and one 23..

He still is gonna command a max contract he's probably not getting from us unless he really take off next year.

Even the Maxey stuff you're doing is kind of bad, if Maxey produce at those levels we would have to max him at a time Harris come off the books. It's gonna be super easy to do so and keep flexibility, if we max Sexton we are committted to a team with him, Joel and Harris for atleast two more seasons and little more to add for two more seasons.

Neither Maxey nor Sexton should be getting max contact (unless Maxey goes super efficient scorer plus facilitator in the next 3 years, which can happen).

In reality, they both will probably deserve something like $80M/4 years, once they can sign extensions. But Sexton will get his max, in Cleveland or in some other team he’s going get traded for. I hope that’s not Philly, and it does not look like Cleveland wants to pay him max as well, because otherwise he would’t be in the trade rumors.

Maxey, on the other hand won’t be looking as a max player on the Sixers team because we will probably be a top6 East team without Simmons, and Maxey won’t have the same numbers on top 6 East team, comparing to the numbers Sexton is having on one of the worst NBA teams.

[Tomjas]

100% agree because that's usually how these things work in the real world. No way is Simmons giving up a single paycheck - he'll let Klutch apply the pressure behind the scenes while he plays the good soldier for public consumption. I'm not even sure he will play the fake injury game, as that might damage his brand, which he seems to be obsessive about protecting. He knows he'll get his trade eventually, and will put up the good front publicly until it gets done. At least that's how it normally occurs.

If Simmons team knew anything about branding then there’s no way that they would allow posts of him with Ferraris or shooting jumpers in the current climate

They make him look really bad

What is the Ben Simmons brand? I hardly see anything Simmons related. Commercials? Ads? I’m not in Philadelphia. But I’m in florida but see Embiid commercials.

Than again I don’t see much Giannis or Jokic branding either.

Endorsements from Nike, Dr Dre, etc

Simmons doesn’t speak or otherwise market himself so all this talk of “his brand” seems weird to me

[Sportfan73]

One is turning 28 in a few months and one 23..

He still is gonna command a max contract he's probably not getting from us unless he really take off next year.

Even the Maxey stuff you're doing is kind of bad, if Maxey produce at those levels we would have to max him at a time Harris come off the books. It's gonna be super easy to do so and keep flexibility, if we max Sexton we are committted to a team with him, Joel and Harris for atleast two more seasons and little more to add for two more seasons.

Neither Maxey nor Sexton should be getting max contact (unless Maxey goes super efficient scorer plus facilitator in the next 3 years, which can happen).

In reality, they both will probably deserve something like $80M/4 years, once they can sign extensions. But Sexton will get his max, in Cleveland or in some other team he’s going get traded for. I hope that’s not Philly, and it does not look like Cleveland wants to pay him max as well, because otherwise he would’t be in the trade rumors.

Maxey, on the other hand won’t be looking as a max player on the Sixers team because we will probably be a top6 East team without Simmons, and Maxey won’t have the same numbers on top 6 East team, comparing to the numbers Sexton is having on one of the worst NBA teams.

Okay but Maxey having anything near that is still purely a hypothetical. Like you can’t compare the two and say they will deserve the same contract when one has shown he can put up 20+ ppg multiple times with efficiency and the other has played one year at like 8 ppg and not shot well from 3. And you can’t make Maxey out to be a guy who’s going to take a huge jump and Sexton a finished product. He’s 22 years old

[SixthStreet]

I think Ben faking an injury to start the year would be a good outcome for the Sixers. Stretching the young guys roles and seeing what they can do in bigger minutes will be helpful in the playoffs and future years. If a Simmons trade is consummated then those young guys won't get minutes because I'd imagine we'd get more rotation minutes inbound than outbound in most rumored Simmons trades as of now.

It will most benefit Maxey, but also Thybulle, and to a lesser extent Korkmaz, Reed, and Joe. I'd be pretty excited to see it, TBH.

[Tomjas]

I think Ben faking an injury to start the year would be a good outcome for the Sixers. Stretching the young guys roles and seeing what they can do in bigger minutes will be helpful in the playoffs and future years. If a Simmons trade is consummated then those young guys won't get minutes because I'd imagine we'd get more rotation minutes inbound than outbound in most rumored Simmons trades as of now.

It will most benefit Maxey, but also Thybulle, and to a lesser extent Korkmaz, Reed, and Joe. I'd be pretty excited to see it, TBH.

From memory, Doc has a pretty terrible record when it comes to giving minutes to young players