Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3

[NYG]

I bet the offer to beat before mid-December is Markkanen, Rubio and Sexton for Simmons.

Kind of hard to even guess without knowing the situation then though right? Did he show up? Is he playing? If so, how's he look?

Yeah also injuries, etc. could clunk it up, but I'm sure something along those lines is the option that makes the most sense from a salary matching perspective and has been discussed as a keep it in mind option for both teams. I think how the value stands at this present moment, that's more along the lines of the deal they're looking for though. 20+ PPG scorer, veteran PG to the lead the offense and a shooter. If someone could/would provide that to Philly right now, I bet they would just do it.

Just for reference: https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&CF=PTS*GE*20:GP*GE*60

And if you add filters of 35+% 3P% / 1+ 3PM / 80% FT%: https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&CF=PTS*GE*20:GP*GE*60:FG3_PCT*GE*35:FG3M*GE*1:FT_PCT*GE*80

[NYG]

Dragic, Boucher and OG is the closest thing I can come up with to what they would get out of Sexton, Rubio and Markkanen value wise without involving picks.

[Tomjas]

Kind of hard to even guess without knowing the situation then though right? Did he show up? Is he playing? If so, how's he look?

Yeah also injuries, etc. could clunk it up, but I'm sure something along those lines is the option that makes the most sense from a salary matching perspective and has been discussed as a keep it in mind option for both teams. I think how the value stands at this present moment, that's more along the lines of the deal they're looking for though. 20+ PPG scorer, veteran PG to the lead the offense and a shooter. If someone could/would provide that to Philly right now, I bet they would just do it.

Just for reference: https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&CF=PTS*GE*20:GP*GE*60

And if you add filters of 35+% 3P% / 1+ 3PM / 80% FT%: https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&CF=PTS*GE*20:GP*GE*60:FG3_PCT*GE*35:FG3M*GE*1:FT_PCT*GE*80

I think that Morey would prefer picks and other more tradeable assets for when a star becomes available

[Godaddycurse]

Dragic, Boucher and OG is the closest thing I can come up with to what they would get out of Sexton, Rubio and Markkanen value wise without involving picks.

OG is worth significantly more than that cleveland trio combined. Zero chance he is on the block for simmons

[SO_MONEY]

Dragic, Boucher and OG is the closest thing I can come up with to what they would get out of Sexton, Rubio and Markkanen value wise without involving picks.

OG is worth significantly more than that cleveland trio combined. Zero chance he is on the block for simmons

I have OG worth more than Simmons.

[MKWB]

Would the Cavs give up Okoro in a Simmons trade?

CLE gets: Ben Simmons

DET gets: Okoro, Rubio

PHI gets: Sexton, Grant, J. Jackson

[the_process]

Cavaliers trade: Kevin Love, Colin Sexton, Isaac Okoro, 2022 HOU 2nd, 2022 SAS 2nd, 2022 CLE 1st (1-10 protected 4 years, then unprotected)
Cavaliers receive: Ben Simmons, Paul Reed, Isaiah Joe
Get Simmons and dump Love without moving an unreasonably high first, seems like a dream scenario for them.

Houston trades: Eric Gordon, DJ Augustin
Houston receives: Kevin Love, 2022 HOU 2nd, 2022 SAS 2nd, 2022 LAC 1st, 2023 DEN 1st (1-14 protected through 2025, then 2 2nds)
Move two bad contracts for one worse contract and a bunch of picks.

Philadelphia trades: Ben Simmons, Paul Reed, Isaiah Joe
Philadelphia receives: Colin Sexton, Eric Gordon, DJ Augustin, Kenrich Williams, 2022 CLE 1st (1-10 protected 4 years, then unprotected)
Move Simmons for Sexton and tons of depth. Gordon (this season and next) and Augustin (this season, 333k next) are bad contracts but decent players. The Cleveland pick should have reasonable value to package in a trade for another rotation player.

Oklahoma City trades: Kenrich Williams, 2022 LAC 1st, 2023 DEN 1st (1-14 protected through 2025, then 2 2nds)
Oklahoma City receives: Isaac Okoro
OKC consolidates some picks into a recent lotto pick who - while not a world-beater in his rookie year - was still fine even with the very abbreviated offseason. If you liked Okoro in the draft, I think you should still like him now.

Cleveland 2022 pick is the most attractive asset for Sixers

Putting protection on it kills the deal

Philly isn't getting an unprotected pick from Cleveland for Simmons. If they want that, they'll have to look elsewhere.

If the Cavs want to move off Love, which is not a necessity for them at this time but could be advantageous; it will cost multiple picks, one of which will have to be unprotected. Unless they want to take Tobias?

[the_process]

Dragic, Boucher and OG is the closest thing I can come up with to what they would get out of Sexton, Rubio and Markkanen value wise without involving picks.

OG is worth significantly more than that cleveland trio combined. Zero chance he is on the block for simmons

Except he already allegedly was?

[mademan]

Dragic, Boucher and OG is the closest thing I can come up with to what they would get out of Sexton, Rubio and Markkanen value wise without involving picks.

OG is worth significantly more than that cleveland trio combined. Zero chance he is on the block for simmons

Except he already allegedly was?

says who? honestly. Dont think ive seen anything about that on the Raps board

[Godaddycurse]

Dragic, Boucher and OG is the closest thing I can come up with to what they would get out of Sexton, Rubio and Markkanen value wise without involving picks.

OG is worth significantly more than that cleveland trio combined. Zero chance he is on the block for simmons

Except he already allegedly was?

Philly asked for him and we said no. Havent heard that he was ever offered on our end

[Texas Chuck]

I love OG. I don't have him worth more than Simmons. I get he's a lot cheaper but for all the focus only on his flaws, Simmons remains a superior player.

[Godaddycurse]

I love OG. I don't have him worth more than Simmons. I get he's a lot cheaper but for all the focus only on his flaws, Simmons remains a superior player.

This is true until the last few minutes of a game when simmons stops play-making and becomes a liability on offense.

I think OG still has room for improvement though where as Simmons i think what we have is what we get moving forward too.

[jbk1234]

I bet the offer to beat before mid-December is Markkanen, Rubio and Sexton for Simmons.

Kind of hard to even guess without knowing the situation then though right? Did he show up? Is he playing? If so, how's he look?

Is he still on the Sixers?

Frankly, that seems unlikely to me. By mid-December one of two things will have happened: Simmons will have reported, played well, and possibly learned to shoot; or he'll have not done one or more of those three things.

It makes zero sense for Philly to hold out for Lauri. Harris is still on their roster, Lauri isn't some great get, and to the extent he's intriguing at all, it would be to play alongside Simmons. Nothing about that report made sense.

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[jbk1234]

I love OG. I don't have him worth more than Simmons. I get he's a lot cheaper but for all the focus only on his flaws, Simmons remains a superior player.

They can both defend at a high level in slightly different ways. Simmons can handle the ball and create assists. OG can put the ball in the bucket. On similar contracts I'd be open to arguments as to who is worth more. But I've got OG as the guy with higher trade value.

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[gambitx777]

I'll be so glad when this is over lol. I just wanna find out what sides right here. Is Simmons a star or is he the overrated premadana many think. The true will be set because he is what the market value says he is.

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[Tomjas]

I'll be so glad when this is over lol. I just wanna find out what sides right here. Is Simmons a star or is he the overrated premadana many think. The true will be set because he is what the market value says he is.

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Not that easy to value him as he’s not a plug and play sort

Only certainty is that Sixers are likely to be considerably worse in the short term unless they get a real star in return

[DroseReturnChi]

I'll be so glad when this is over lol. I just wanna find out what sides right here. Is Simmons a star or is he the overrated premadana many think. The true will be set because he is what the market value says he is.

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why would you want to find out when answer is clear?
either desperate team gives up their star or entire farm. philly isnt just going to sell pennies on the dollar.
its better letting simmons walk if your getting garbage back. if you think from philly's perspective, this isnt rocket science.
simmons also has a trade kicker so a team is going to give up a lot of salary and guarantee him a franchise star job.

no need to be impatient when all morey has to wait one of bulls/cavs/wizards etc to implode and desperately beg for simmons. i guarantee you one team will more than meet the demands it is mathematically impossible for every team to meet their goals like making the playoffs. its just that its way more complicated than that the team has to accept rich paul's demands as well as simmons which is why its taking a centuries.

[Tomjas]

I'll be so glad when this is over lol. I just wanna find out what sides right here. Is Simmons a star or is he the overrated premadana many think. The true will be set because he is what the market value says he is.

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why would you want to find out when answer is clear?
either desperate team gives up their star or entire farm. philly isnt just going to sell pennies on the dollar.
its better letting simmons walk if your getting garbage back. if you think from philly's perspective, this isnt rocket science.
simmons also has a trade kicker so a team is going to give up a lot of salary and guarantee him a franchise star job.

no need to be impatient when all morey has to wait one of bulls/cavs/wizards etc to implode and desperately beg for simmons. i guarantee you one team will more than meet the demands it is mathematically impossible for every team to meet their goals like making the playoffs. its just that its way more complicated than that the team has to accept rich paul's demands as well as simmons which is why its taking a centuries.

Very little chance that Simmons gets traded East

Nothing to do with his desires

[aguiar95]

I love OG. I don't have him worth more than Simmons. I get he's a lot cheaper but for all the focus only on his flaws, Simmons remains a superior player.

I don't like him. Really can't see OG becoming an All-Star/All-NBA player. I have Simmons a decent tier above him. I don't think PHI should consider any package without a very capable ball-handler/playmaker coming back. Value wise, OG+ for Simmons is fine, but on-court, PHI loses a lot.

[jbk1234]

I love OG. I don't have him worth more than Simmons. I get he's a lot cheaper but for all the focus only on his flaws, Simmons remains a superior player.

I don't like him. Really can't see OG becoming an All-Star/All-NBA player. I have Simmons a decent tier above him. I don't think PHI should consider any package without a very capable ball-handler/playmaker coming back. Value wise, OG+ for Simmons is fine, but on-court, PHI loses a lot.

Philly can lose a bit on court during the regular season so long as they come out ahead in the postseason. The Cavs went to the Finals four years in a row and never had the No. 1 seed.

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