Ben Simmons Thread (READ FIRST POST)

[SO_MONEY]

Beasley might be “nice” to Morey, and we hope he thinks that. But having a nice player when he has eyes on a different prize may not move the needle in a Simmons trade.

There doesn't seem to be any needle-movers being offered.

I like Beasley as a 6th man, but players like McCollum and Brogdon are head and shoulders above him IMO.

I would hope so, they are paid like it.

Honestly, not a huge Brogdon fan though. Looked promising for MIL, but some of his game hasn't aged well to me for what I thought of him originally. Obviously a better player than Beasley but he is now 28 and has missed time. Is the difference $7mil? IDK.

[moonpie]

If one of Taurean Prince or Beverley is involved in our package (which in all likelihood one has to be involved for salary purposes--unless there is a Russell package) then I would think Morey's best bet is to just agree to the trade now (kind of like how Memphis and Boston just did in the Juancho trade involving Kris Dunn who can't be moved until Sept. 15) and in this instance wait to see if he can get any better offers between now and when we are able to trade Beverley, for example, who can be moved come Oct. 1.

I am pretty sure there is nothing in the rule books that bind teams to an announced trade agreement in this situation, as they technichally cannot solidify trade by league rules. Announcing an agreed trade would set the market for Simmons and would set the clock for other teams around the league to put up a real offer before the trade becomes official on Oct. 1...

Again, I don't think there is anything in the rule book that would forbid Morey from abandoning a previously agreed to trade, so why not just put this all out in the open, and force a team like Sacramento to listen to the NBA talking heads for two weeks asking why the Kings weren't willing to beat the Wolves' pedestrian package.

It is one of those unwritten rules I believe. If a trade is announced and agreed upon, it would look really bad on a GM to renege because now how will any other GM's be able to trust their word? That's why there's nothing out in the open currently

[jpatrick]

There doesn't seem to be any needle-movers being offered.

I like Beasley as a 6th man, but players like McCollum and Brogdon are head and shoulders above him IMO.

Exactly. And to double down on that, Morey might find the whole bunch meh! Meaning, he see them as nice but potential speed bumps on the path to who he really wants.

Beverley + Prince + McDaniels and/or Bolmaro + 3x 1sts (and some swaps) might be the most attractive deal to Morey. Why? Because that is the best package to consolidate to another team when a Morey desired win-now vet does become available. McCollum or Beasley or Brogdon could be more difficult (3rd team needed for picks/youth) to pull that trigger. He might value getting what is best for a subsequent trade — using Simmons to accomplish now.

No doubt popular opinion is he would want Beasley (or Brogdon or McCollum or Buddy), maybe that is why a deal isn’t done. He really doesn’t. He wants a pick and youth laced deal so his war chest is stocked and ready to go (for Dame or Beal or ?).

Note: Beverley and Prince are not dead weight vets for 76ers/Embiid. No doubt not the talent level of some of the names rumored in other Simmons scenarios. But maybe enough stopgap for Morey (seemingly offset by adequate picks and youth to compensate).

If we’re giving up that much, there better be some decent protections on those picks. And I’m very pro Simmons. Really hope we’re able to hold McDaniels out, especially he duplicates a lot of what Thybuille does.

[Wolveswin]

I like Beasley as a 6th man, but players like McCollum and Brogdon are head and shoulders above him IMO.

Exactly. And to double down on that, Morey might find the whole bunch meh! Meaning, he see them as nice but potential speed bumps on the path to who he really wants.

Beverley + Prince + McDaniels and/or Bolmaro + 3x 1sts (and some swaps) might be the most attractive deal to Morey. Why? Because that is the best package to consolidate to another team when a Morey desired win-now vet does become available. McCollum or Beasley or Brogdon could be more difficult (3rd team needed for picks/youth) to pull that trigger. He might value getting what is best for a subsequent trade — using Simmons to accomplish now.

No doubt popular opinion is he would want Beasley (or Brogdon or McCollum or Buddy), maybe that is why a deal isn’t done. He really doesn’t. He wants a pick and youth laced deal so his war chest is stocked and ready to go (for Dame or Beal or ?).

Note: Beverley and Prince are not dead weight vets for 76ers/Embiid. No doubt not the talent level of some of the names rumored in other Simmons scenarios. But maybe enough stopgap for Morey (seemingly offset by adequate picks and youth to compensate).

If we’re giving up that much, there better be some decent protections on those picks. And I’m very pro Simmons. Really hope we’re able to hold McDaniels out, especially he duplicates a lot of what Thybuille does.

I concur. I hope McDaniels is out. And I don’t see 76ers valuing him as much as Wolves do. With that said, I would see Wolves youth (and/or picks) going to third team. Either for win-now player(s) or more draft compensation or combination of.

[moonpie]

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[Note30]

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My guess is they either offer Love and Garland or Rubio+Sexton+filler.

First package is more likely.

No idea what the Cavs are doing tho.

[Krapinsky]

Would be hilarious if Rubio was part of package that ended up landing Simmons in Cleveland.

[Wolveswin]

Would be hilarious if Rubio was part of package that ended up landing Simmons in Cleveland.

You would hope Rosas had direct intel on Morey’s evaluation of Rubio prior to sending him to Cavs. Meaning, it wasn’t favorable. If that is the case, Love becomes the salary filler and makes it harder for Cavs to build a favorable deal.

[shrink]

Would be hilarious if Rubio was part of package that ended up landing Simmons in Cleveland.

You would hope Rosas had direct intel on Morey’s evaluation of Rubio prior to sending him to Cavs. Meaning, it wasn’t favorable. If that is the case, Love becomes the salary filler and makes it harder for Cavs to build a favorable deal.

I agree. According to reports, there has been no GM more likely to have regular conversations than Rosas. And if he is really so anxious to get Simmons, he wouldn’t have traded Rubio for Prince in such a neutral trade .. if Rubio had value to Morey.

Personally, I think Rubio is a slightly better player than Prince, Prince can fit anywhere, but Ricky only manifests this on a few teams as currently constructed. I don’t think that was MIN right now with DLo. PHI needs a ball handler, but they also need a PG that can attack the rim and create his own shot in the final two minutes. That doesn’t sound like Rubio - it sounds more like DLo.

Last point. Rubio and Simmons can’t be on the same floor because of their bad shooting. So if Morey doesn’t want Rubio, and the Cavs don’t want to keep Rubio if Simmons comes in, it makes it harder to see the Cavs as a destination. Rubio would need to go to a third team, but is there even a team left who hasn’t decided who their PG will be?

Right now, I think Prince > Rubio on the Wolves, and Prince > Rubio if we want to make a trade.

[jpatrick]

I think the Prince trade was good for the team for a number of reasons. One being, I think McDaniels will probably go out in any Simmons trade, making Prince our starting SF.

I just don’t see the fit in Cleveland. Right now Allen, Mobley, and Okoro are non-shooters. Okoro and Mobley could develop but that’s not a right now skill. Even with Lauri and Garland/Sexton (I’m assuming one goes out in a Simmons deal), that’s not great spacing for Simmons and his non-shooting.

[Dalvin]

With our luck, McDaniels is included in a Ben Simmons trade and goes on to become Paul George 2.0 while Ben Simmons is still the same player down the line (can't shoot, great D and great playmaker)

[Neeva]

Dlo and first for simmons last offer don’t care if others don’t like it.
Or dlo/2022 frp/Reid/2022 srp for Maxey/Simmons if klutch needs both their guys out of there.

[Klomp]

I don't really see the Simmons fit in Cleveland, beyond the fact that they could use star talent like Simmons somewhere on the roster. And he would constantly be compared in the media/by fans to LeBron imo. Not great for him. I do think they would be a good third team for us to work with. They would be interested in young players and picks package, and I think Sexton could satisfy what the Sixers are looking for more than a lot of guys talked about could.

[Note30]

With our luck, McDaniels is included in a Ben Simmons trade and goes on to become Paul George 2.0 while Ben Simmons is still the same player down the line (can't shoot, great D and great playmaker)

He's either going to be Paul George or RoCo

[KGdaBom]

Dlo and first for simmons last offer don’t care if others don’t like it.
Or dlo/2022 frp/Reid/2022 srp for Maxey/Simmons if klutch needs both their guys out of there.

This is ridiculous on multiple fronts. First the idea is to unite the superfriends/HS teammates. Second it's not a question of what anybody other than Morey like's. It's a question of what offer will get the deal done. What you're proposing has zero chance.

[KGdaBom]

With our luck, McDaniels is included in a Ben Simmons trade and goes on to become Paul George 2.0 while Ben Simmons is still the same player down the line (can't shoot, great D and great playmaker)

He's either going to be Paul George or RoCo

Odds are very strong that he's not nearly as good as either.

[Neeva]

With our luck, McDaniels is included in a Ben Simmons trade and goes on to become Paul George 2.0 while Ben Simmons is still the same player down the line (can't shoot, great D and great playmaker)

He's either going to be Paul George or RoCo

Odds are very strong that he's not nearly as good as either.

You are most likely always wrong so he will be good.

[theGreatRC]

He's either going to be Paul George or RoCo

Odds are very strong that he's not nearly as good as either.

You are most likely always wrong so he will be good.

Jaden can def be as good as RoCo...Paul George is super underrated because he was a borderline superstar before his crazy injury and he worked his way back to still being a star

[Merc_Porto]

With our luck, McDaniels is included in a Ben Simmons trade and goes on to become Paul George 2.0 while Ben Simmons is still the same player down the line (can't shoot, great D and great playmaker)

He's either going to be Paul George or RoCo

Come on man. Ok, as good as RoCo, that's ok. But Paul George?

[Klomp]

I think Jaden McDaniels will be an interesting case in player development over the next 5 years. He has the tools, he has the talent. But he also has some things holding him back that will need to be addressed. And having talent and tools doesn't guarantee development, which we as Wolves fans should know by now.

Would Philadelphia be the place to unleash his talent? You would think being on such a good team would allow him to thrive, but we've also seen recent evidence of a player development opportunity be thrown to the wayside by that franchise. Mikal Bridges is actually a really good comparison for McDaniels in a lot of ways.