OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread

[Zenzibar]

No, I don't believe this is a conspiracy, because it inherently presumes there is complicity from tens to hundreds of thousands of individuals from executive branches to dozens of independent research teams, manufacturers, doctors, government bureaucrats, manufacturers and on down through the supply chainwhich is what it would require. If such a cabal existed there would be countless opportunities for whistle blowing.

The only people blowing whistles are conspiracy makers and those willing to spread them. It is naive to think this was cooked up in a lab in order to inoculate and control humanity and everyone in in the supply chain is in on it. There is no boardroom keeping those secrets and enlisting scientists and knowledge workers en masse to do their bidding like puppets. It's ludicrous.

You get puppet masters inside cults and autocratic regimes. We are nowhere near the situation of a global cabal that has obedience from the whole planet. We have competing interests instead, not coordinated masterminds on that scale.

Is it possible that lab experiments on viruses could escape and cause havoc. Sure. The problem with perceiving those activities as bio-weapons is you can only use them against enemy nations if you have a cure for your people and you're willing to vaccinate your own population before you release it. And that will not happen without it being discovered either. Viruses don't care about their own origins. They just breed.

The paranoia around shadowy operatives trying to control you with vaccines is an excellent distraction. The planet is dying and you think some group of bad guys need to weed out the population and plant chips in the rest? The planet will take care of that for us and you don't get chipped by a vaccine. That is one of the worst conspiracy theories ever. Just bizarre and ridiculous

What we do have are billionaires and future billionaires building fortunes on catastrophy products. It is going to be a booming business in addition to the water purification and immunity supplement billionaires who will take advantage of our failing environment

Animal to Human virus migration is just going to accelerate because of this destruction. You want justice? Save the environment, the animals, the bees, the plankton and then the humans might have a place to live too. If not, you won't need any labs to produce multiple animal to human viral outbreaks

You don't believe in the straight-up experimentation of viruses on people by pharma and governments?

Did you even read what I wrote?

I did. But it was a singular question. Are you comfortable answering it?

[Capn'O]

There's too much to unpack with those questions for the time I have, but simply...

Even if it were lab manufactured, it doesn't mean that governments sponsored it maliciously. Even if it were the case that the Chinese government did that it doesn't mean the US government knew that. Even if the US government knew and signed off on using the virus maliciously that it doesn't negate the science of stopping the spread of the virus.

The bottom line is that the virus is here, real, and the science about stopping its spread is the best tool we have.

[DOT]

The bottom line is that the virus is here, real, and the science about stopping its spread is right.

Yes

And at this point, there is no reasonable argument to not get the vaccine, except for people who physically can't get it due to being allergic or whatever

I understand the hesitancy around trusting the government, big pharma, etc, especially among black Americans, but continuing to hide behind that at this point is just irrational. So if you don't want to take it because of those reasons, sure. But you can't in my opinion claim you're being reasonable about it any more if you do. It's the same thing as skepticism vs cynicism, skepticism is perfectly fine and I encourage it because we should question things, but continuing to be cynical even after the answers are clear just because you don't like them, that's not rational behavior, and is unhealthy

Just get the damn vaccine already, I'm so over this sh*t.

[Kampuchea]

No, I don't believe this is a conspiracy, because it inherently presumes there is complicity from tens to hundreds of thousands of individuals from executive branches to dozens of independent research teams, manufacturers, doctors, government bureaucrats, manufacturers and on down through the supply chainwhich is what it would require. If such a cabal existed there would be countless opportunities for whistle blowing.

The only people blowing whistles are conspiracy makers and those willing to spread them. It is naive to think this was cooked up in a lab in order to inoculate and control humanity and everyone in in the supply chain is in on it. There is no boardroom keeping those secrets and enlisting scientists and knowledge workers en masse to do their bidding like puppets. It's ludicrous.

You get puppet masters inside cults and autocratic regimes. We are nowhere near the situation of a global cabal that has obedience from the whole planet. We have competing interests instead, not coordinated masterminds on that scale.

This is a point that I keep coming back to when discussing the topic with anti-vaxers. Not a single one can deny the improbability of such a large-scale operation with countless individuals that are complicit in controlling and experimenting on fellow man/woman. The concept makes not one iota of sense. Of course, there is not a counterpoint, just pointing to some random video of a nutjob giving anecdotal evidence of the worldwide plot.

The same logic applied to the stolen election and the massive number of people (from both political affiliations) that would have had to have been involved. Now, instead of a plot in the USA involving hundreds of thousands of people working together to rig the election, we have graduated to a million people working together to create fake viruses and experimental vaccines with chips in them.

That is not really a point to be argued, it is rather something that any person with sense would conclude on their own. This is why the discussions with anti-vaxers are often fruitless, if they haven't the sense to see how improbable it all is there is little that can be done to convince them.

[Capn'O]

No, I don't believe this is a conspiracy, because it inherently presumes there is complicity from tens to hundreds of thousands of individuals from executive branches to dozens of independent research teams, manufacturers, doctors, government bureaucrats, manufacturers and on down through the supply chainwhich is what it would require. If such a cabal existed there would be countless opportunities for whistle blowing.

The only people blowing whistles are conspiracy makers and those willing to spread them. It is naive to think this was cooked up in a lab in order to inoculate and control humanity and everyone in in the supply chain is in on it. There is no boardroom keeping those secrets and enlisting scientists and knowledge workers en masse to do their bidding like puppets. It's ludicrous.

You get puppet masters inside cults and autocratic regimes. We are nowhere near the situation of a global cabal that has obedience from the whole planet. We have competing interests instead, not coordinated masterminds on that scale.

This is a point that I keep coming back to when discussing the topic with anti-vaxers. Not a single one can deny the improbability of such a large-scale operation with countless individuals that are complicit in controlling and experimenting on fellow man/woman. The concept makes not one iota of sense. Of course, there is not a counterpoint, just pointing to some random video of a nutjob giving anecdotal evidence of the worldwide plot.

The same logic applied to the stolen election and the massive number of people (from both political affiliations) that would have had to have been involved. Now, instead of a plot in the USA involving hundreds of thousands of people working together to rig the election, we have graduated to a million people working together to create fake viruses and experimental vaccines with chips in them.

That is not really a point to be argued, it is rather something that any person with sense would conclude on their own. This is why the discussions with anti-vaxers are often fruitless, if they haven't the sense to see how improbable it all is there is little that can be done to convince them.

Lord knows they couldn't write the research papers.

[Clyde_Style]

No, I don't believe this is a conspiracy, because it inherently presumes there is complicity from tens to hundreds of thousands of individuals from executive branches to dozens of independent research teams, manufacturers, doctors, government bureaucrats, manufacturers and on down through the supply chainwhich is what it would require. If such a cabal existed there would be countless opportunities for whistle blowing.

The only people blowing whistles are conspiracy makers and those willing to spread them. It is naive to think this was cooked up in a lab in order to inoculate and control humanity and everyone in in the supply chain is in on it. There is no boardroom keeping those secrets and enlisting scientists and knowledge workers en masse to do their bidding like puppets. It's ludicrous.

You get puppet masters inside cults and autocratic regimes. We are nowhere near the situation of a global cabal that has obedience from the whole planet. We have competing interests instead, not coordinated masterminds on that scale.

This is a point that I keep coming back to when discussing the topic with anti-vaxers. Not a single one can deny the improbability of such a large-scale operation with countless individuals that are complicit in controlling and experimenting on fellow man/woman. The concept makes not one iota of sense. Of course, there is not a counterpoint, just pointing to some random video of a nutjob giving anecdotal evidence of the worldwide plot.

The same logic applied to the stolen election and the massive number of people (from both political affiliations) that would have had to have been involved. Now, instead of a plot in the USA involving hundreds of thousands of people working together to rig the election, we have graduated to a million people working together to create fake viruses and experimental vaccines with chips in them.

That is not really a point to be argued, it is rather something that any person with sense would conclude on their own. This is why the discussions with anti-vaxers are often fruitless, if they haven't the sense to see how improbable it all is there is little that can be done to convince them.

There's plenty of suckers out there who will say CNN is a scam while citing some clown's alarmist YouTube video. Now the key is to outnumber them and vote so adults are at the steering wheel. Of course the paranoid love to wail there are no good adults in government. The way they tar and feather public service they make it sound like civic duty must be for suckers. Oh yeah, sure, they'll salute the flag and say respect the troops because they are fighting men, but will piss all over anyone in charge of anything unless it is a fellow loon they got elected.

The way they carry on it seems anyone in politics and government is either voluntarily or unwittingly part of the plan to subjugate us like lab rats. The truth ultimately is pretty much the opposite which is the people in the White House now are trying to salvage what is left of sane procedural politics. I'm tired of the grade school arguments that everything is corrupt which is the standard emo lead-in to their latest conspiracy theory.

[aq_ua]

My two cents, because there will always be a voice that dismisses a discussion as a “you believe what you want and I’ll believe what I want”.

No, that’s not how a pandemic works.

Everyone has to get on board with the science, or we keep repeating these outbreaks forever. There will be opportunities for new mutations and new ways to break the immunity wall. This isn’t about beliefs, it’s about being able to travel to see family, to work, to have holidays, to live without fear of spreading illness. That should be a very uncontroversial objective for everyone.

[Clyde_Style]

My two cents, because there will always be a voice that dismisses a discussion as a “you believe what you want and I’ll believe what I want”.

No, that’s not how a pandemic works.

Everyone has to get on board with the science, or we keep repeating these outbreaks forever. There will be opportunities for new mutations and new ways to break the immunity wall. This isn’t about beliefs, it’s about being able to travel to see family, to work, to have holidays, to live without fear of spreading illness. That should be a very uncontroversial objective for everyone.

Sure. It takes cooperation, but without that it takes enforcement. They could manage to do it in a small country like NZ, but good luck with that here.

Unfortunately, the pandemic will last for years now. And you know what? I could say it is because of anti-science people, but it is more than that. It is a lack of communal feeling, of a sense of obligation to society as a whole. So there's that kind of selfish individualism and then there's just laziness. America is full of lazy and ignorant people. You've had two years to educate yourself. Time to get with the program and learn something or you can GTFO of my face

[Zenzibar]

Whats the data on the vaccinated being able to spread covid?

[Clyde_Style]

Enforcement is coming through

Guaranteed

[stuporman]

Whats the data on the vaccinated being able to spread covid?

Well, old vaccine style is a mutated version of the virus that has been modified enough that won't get people sick while the body produces antibodies to fight that virus. There's a balance between being effective enough for the body to recognize the virus and not be harmed by vaccine.

The new one doesn't have the whole virus, it just has the spike proteins from the virus that is on the edge of the virus where it attached to our cells. So there's no cell to to infect anything, it's just the specific proteins of that virus that the body builds those antibodies to fight it.

So in theory, the new technology should be safer than the old because it doesn't actually contain the virus. The technology has powerful implications with how medicine and vaccines can work because it's a relatively novel tactic but undoubtedly there are some long term effect questions left to be answered.

Whatever it even is the probabilities of the vaccine spreading the virus I think it would be very difficult to get that data considering the lag in contracting it to symptoms while being contagious virtually the whole time. I'm not sure that is something that could be determined considering the circumstances.

I just listened to a podcast and some researchers have discovered a particular protein's 'hack code' to get into the cell. They think this may be a key to understanding how many of the various things that corrupt and mutate our body to make us sick so possibly search for a way to block them.

I don't know all the technical terms for what this scientist on the podcast was talking about this new derivative work on the process as he was commenting on the research he had learned about but I understand the layman's way to understand it so did my best to explain it.

[Capn'O]

Whats the data on the vaccinated being able to spread covid?

Google it

[HarthorneWingo]

There's too much to unpack with those questions for the time I have, but simply...

Even if it were lab manufactured, it doesn't mean that governments sponsored it maliciously. Even if it were the case that the Chinese government did that it doesn't mean the US government knew that. Even if the US government knew and signed off on using the virus maliciously that it doesn't negate the science of stopping the spread of the virus.

The bottom line is that the virus is here, real, and the science about stopping its spread is the best tool we have.

I recall hearing reports that Trump withdrew our scientists who were either working with the Chinese or reviewing their work. The point is we had some "controls" there that were for a really good reason. Why did Trump withdraw them? Who fcking knows? Some kind of backroom deal with Xinping in exchange for a cut of Bamboo House's yearly profits.

[HarthorneWingo]

Whats the data on the vaccinated being able to spread covid?

Spoiler:

Well, old vaccine style is a mutated version of the virus that has been modified enough that won't get people sick while the body produces antibodies to fight that virus. There's a balance between being effective enough for the body to recognize the virus and not be harmed by vaccine.

The new one doesn't have the whole virus, it just has the spike proteins from the virus that is on the edge of the virus where it attached to our cells. So there's no cell to to infect anything, it's just the specific proteins of that virus that the body builds those antibodies to fight it.

So in theory, the new technology should be safer than the old because it doesn't actually contain the virus. The technology has powerful implications with how medicine and vaccines can work because it's a relatively novel tactic but undoubtedly there are some long term effect questions left to be answered.

Whatever it even is the probabilities of the vaccine spreading the virus I think it would be very difficult to get that data considering the lag in contracting it to symptoms while being contagious virtually the whole time. I'm not sure that is something that could be determined considering the circumstances.

I just listened to a podcast and some researchers have discovered a particular protein's 'hack code' to get into the cell. They think this may be a key to understanding how many of the various things that corrupt and mutate our body to make us sick so possibly search for a way to block them.

I don't know all the technical terms for what this scientist on the podcast was talking about this new derivative work on the process as he was commenting on the research he had learned about but I understand the layman's way to understand it so did my best to explain it.

Who loves ya?

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02187-1

When early field data showed that vaccinating people cuts transmission of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, researchers were cautiously optimistic. But they warned that many of those studies, although promising, took place before the fast-spreading Delta variant proliferated worldwide. Now, reports from various countries seem to confirm what scientists feared after the variant tore through India with alarming speed in April and May: Delta is more likely than other variants to spread through vaccinated people.

Data from COVID-19 tests in the United States, the United Kingdom and Singapore are showing that vaccinated people who become infected with Delta SARS-CoV-2 can carry as much virus in their nose as do unvaccinated people. This means that despite the protection offered by vaccines, a proportion of vaccinated people can pass on Delta, possibly aiding its rise.

[HarthorneWingo]

Everything is going to be a complete fcking mess in two months. You watch. I bet by November at the latest, the schools will be closing down again; businesses, restaurants, and bars will be closing down again until we can get the numbers back to some level of reasonableness. And who knows when that'll be, for Christ's sake.

I lost four relatives this year including my dad (100 years old!) and my closest cousin (69 years old) who was my fishing Guru and buddy. We were just talking about our lists of potential destinations to retire at. Neither died from COVID. I can't even watch the news anymore. Everything is out of our control and depressing. Next summer is going to be Hell.

[stuporman]

Whats the data on the vaccinated being able to spread covid?

Spoiler:

Well, old vaccine style is a mutated version of the virus that has been modified enough that won't get people sick while the body produces antibodies to fight that virus. There's a balance between being effective enough for the body to recognize the virus and not be harmed by vaccine.

The new one doesn't have the whole virus, it just has the spike proteins from the virus that is on the edge of the virus where it attached to our cells. So there's no cell to to infect anything, it's just the specific proteins of that virus that the body builds those antibodies to fight it.

So in theory, the new technology should be safer than the old because it doesn't actually contain the virus. The technology has powerful implications with how medicine and vaccines can work because it's a relatively novel tactic but undoubtedly there are some long term effect questions left to be answered.

Whatever it even is the probabilities of the vaccine spreading the virus I think it would be very difficult to get that data considering the lag in contracting it to symptoms while being contagious virtually the whole time. I'm not sure that is something that could be determined considering the circumstances.

I just listened to a podcast and some researchers have discovered a particular protein's 'hack code' to get into the cell. They think this may be a key to understanding how many of the various things that corrupt and mutate our body to make us sick so possibly search for a way to block them.

I don't know all the technical terms for what this scientist on the podcast was talking about this new derivative work on the process as he was commenting on the research he had learned about but I understand the layman's way to understand it so did my best to explain it.

Who loves ya?

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02187-1

When early field data showed that vaccinating people cuts transmission of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, researchers were cautiously optimistic. But they warned that many of those studies, although promising, took place before the fast-spreading Delta variant proliferated worldwide. Now, reports from various countries seem to confirm what scientists feared after the variant tore through India with alarming speed in April and May: Delta is more likely than other variants to spread through vaccinated people.

Data from COVID-19 tests in the United States, the United Kingdom and Singapore are showing that vaccinated people who become infected with Delta SARS-CoV-2 can carry as much virus in their nose as do unvaccinated people. This means that despite the protection offered by vaccines, a proportion of vaccinated people can pass on Delta, possibly aiding its rise.

Well, let's think this through. If someone is vaccinated, then get exposed to covid and it gets into their system but can't infect the cells and organs because the antibodies fight it off. In most cases there might be some mild symptoms if any and the body will shed the virus the way that it does.

One way happens to be through the nose the way flu does so as they shed the virus they are contagious to others both vaccinated and unvaccinated but they themselves might not have the dramatic health effects the unvaxxed people are more likely to have.

So sure, vaccinated people who get covid can be dangerous to unvaxxed people because those unvaxxed haven't taken the precautions but it's not because the others got the vaccine, the vaccine didn't give it to them.

So the vaccinated that wear masks are actually doing the extra effort to protect others, especially the unvaxxed and potentially maskless considering those two things seem to go together. Isn't that the most ironic thing, those masked vaxxers get vitriol and hatred from the very ones they are protecting by their actions.

Hmm

[stuporman]

Everything is going to be a complete fcking mess in two months. You watch. I bet by November at the latest, the schools will be closing down again; businesses, restaurants, and bars will be closing down again until we can get the numbers back to some level of reasonableness. And who knows when that'll be, for Christ's sake.

I lost four relatives this year including my dad (100 years old!) and my closest cousin (69 years old) who was my fishing Guru and buddy. We were just talking about our lists of potential destinations to retire at. Neither died from COVID. I can't even watch the news anymore. Everything is out of our control and depressing. Next summer is going to be Hell.

The death cult has done everything in their power to make this world a horrifying experience for most of the planet's population regardless of how many comforts and toys man creates for some.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Everything is going to be a complete fcking mess in two months. You watch. I bet by November at the latest, the schools will be closing down again; businesses, restaurants, and bars will be closing down again until we can get the numbers back to some level of reasonableness. And who knows when that'll be, for Christ's sake.

I lost four relatives this year including my dad (100 years old!) and my closest cousin (69 years old) who was my fishing Guru and buddy. We were just talking about our lists of potential destinations to retire at. Neither died from COVID. I can't even watch the news anymore. Everything is out of our control and depressing. Next summer is going to be Hell.

Sorry for your loss.

[HarthorneWingo]

Spoiler:

Well, old vaccine style is a mutated version of the virus that has been modified enough that won't get people sick while the body produces antibodies to fight that virus. There's a balance between being effective enough for the body to recognize the virus and not be harmed by vaccine.

The new one doesn't have the whole virus, it just has the spike proteins from the virus that is on the edge of the virus where it attached to our cells. So there's no cell to to infect anything, it's just the specific proteins of that virus that the body builds those antibodies to fight it.

So in theory, the new technology should be safer than the old because it doesn't actually contain the virus. The technology has powerful implications with how medicine and vaccines can work because it's a relatively novel tactic but undoubtedly there are some long term effect questions left to be answered.

Whatever it even is the probabilities of the vaccine spreading the virus I think it would be very difficult to get that data considering the lag in contracting it to symptoms while being contagious virtually the whole time. I'm not sure that is something that could be determined considering the circumstances.

I just listened to a podcast and some researchers have discovered a particular protein's 'hack code' to get into the cell. They think this may be a key to understanding how many of the various things that corrupt and mutate our body to make us sick so possibly search for a way to block them.

I don't know all the technical terms for what this scientist on the podcast was talking about this new derivative work on the process as he was commenting on the research he had learned about but I understand the layman's way to understand it so did my best to explain it.

Who loves ya?

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02187-1

When early field data showed that vaccinating people cuts transmission of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, researchers were cautiously optimistic. But they warned that many of those studies, although promising, took place before the fast-spreading Delta variant proliferated worldwide. Now, reports from various countries seem to confirm what scientists feared after the variant tore through India with alarming speed in April and May: Delta is more likely than other variants to spread through vaccinated people.

Data from COVID-19 tests in the United States, the United Kingdom and Singapore are showing that vaccinated people who become infected with Delta SARS-CoV-2 can carry as much virus in their nose as do unvaccinated people. This means that despite the protection offered by vaccines, a proportion of vaccinated people can pass on Delta, possibly aiding its rise.

Well, think this through. If someone is vaccinated ad they are exposed to covid and it gets into their system but can't infect the cells and organs because the vaccine fights it off. In most cases there might be some mild symptoms if any and the body will shed the cells the way that it will do.

It happens to be through the nose the way flu does so as they shed those cells they are contagious to others both vaccinated and unvaccinated but they themselves might not have the dramatic health effects the unvaxxed people are more likely to have.

So sure, vaccinated people who get exposed to covid can be dangerous to unvaxxed people because those unvaxxed haven't taken the precautions but it's not because the others got the vaccine, the vaccine didn't give it to them.

So the vaccinated that wear masks are actually doing the extra effort to protect others, especially the unvaxxed and potentially maskless considering those two things seem to go together. Isn't that the most ironic thing, those masked vaxxers get vitriol and hatred from the very ones they are protecting by their actions.

Hmm

Mmmm-hmm

[HarthorneWingo]

Everything is going to be a complete fcking mess in two months. You watch. I bet by November at the latest, the schools will be closing down again; businesses, restaurants, and bars will be closing down again until we can get the numbers back to some level of reasonableness. And who knows when that'll be, for Christ's sake.

I lost four relatives this year including my dad (100 years old!) and my closest cousin (69 years old) who was my fishing Guru and buddy. We were just talking about our lists of potential destinations to retire at. Neither died from COVID. I can't even watch the news anymore. Everything is out of our control and depressing. Next summer is going to be Hell.

Sorry for your loss.

Thanks brother.