Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4

[sixers4real]

He still is gonna command a max contract he's probably not getting from us unless he really take off next year.

Even the Maxey stuff you're doing is kind of bad, if Maxey produce at those levels we would have to max him at a time Harris come off the books. It's gonna be super easy to do so and keep flexibility, if we max Sexton we are committted to a team with him, Joel and Harris for atleast two more seasons and little more to add for two more seasons.

Neither Maxey nor Sexton should be getting max contact (unless Maxey goes super efficient scorer plus facilitator in the next 3 years, which can happen).

In reality, they both will probably deserve something like $80M/4 years, once they can sign extensions. But Sexton will get his max, in Cleveland or in some other team he’s going get traded for. I hope that’s not Philly, and it does not look like Cleveland wants to pay him max as well, because otherwise he would’t be in the trade rumors.

Maxey, on the other hand won’t be looking as a max player on the Sixers team because we will probably be a top6 East team without Simmons, and Maxey won’t have the same numbers on top 6 East team, comparing to the numbers Sexton is having on one of the worst NBA teams.

Okay but Maxey having anything near that is still purely a hypothetical. Like you can’t compare the two and say they will deserve the same contract when one has shown he can put up 20+ ppg multiple times with efficiency and the other has played one year at like 8 ppg and not shot well from 3. And you can’t make Maxey out to be a guy who’s going to take a huge jump and Sexton a finished product. He’s 22 years old

Of course I can’t. That’s just mine predictions, nothing more.

But regarding Sexton, I wouldn’t want to pay him max if I want championship team.

[kuclas]

He still is gonna command a max contract he's probably not getting from us unless he really take off next year.

Even the Maxey stuff you're doing is kind of bad, if Maxey produce at those levels we would have to max him at a time Harris come off the books. It's gonna be super easy to do so and keep flexibility, if we max Sexton we are committted to a team with him, Joel and Harris for atleast two more seasons and little more to add for two more seasons.

Neither Maxey nor Sexton should be getting max contact (unless Maxey goes super efficient scorer plus facilitator in the next 3 years, which can happen).

In reality, they both will probably deserve something like $80M/4 years, once they can sign extensions. But Sexton will get his max, in Cleveland or in some other team he’s going get traded for. I hope that’s not Philly, and it does not look like Cleveland wants to pay him max as well, because otherwise he would’t be in the trade rumors.

Maxey, on the other hand won’t be looking as a max player on the Sixers team because we will probably be a top6 East team without Simmons, and Maxey won’t have the same numbers on top 6 East team, comparing to the numbers Sexton is having on one of the worst NBA teams.

Okay but Maxey having anything near that is still purely a hypothetical. Like you can’t compare the two and say they will deserve the same contract when one has shown he can put up 20+ ppg multiple times with efficiency and the other has played one year at like 8 ppg and not shot well from 3. And you can’t make Maxey out to be a guy who’s going to take a huge jump and Sexton a finished product. He’s 22 years old

We can't jump to any Maxey conclusions until he can get regular 20-25 minutes a game and see what he does on a nightly basis. Kid was out of the rotation middle half of the season and fought his way back into the rotation. He played some good minutes in playoffs. Some not so good minutes. That's to be expected from a 20 year old rookie.

I don't know how good maxey can be. Is he the next Landry Shamet who got big minutes on Sixers, clippers, nets but still traded away. Meaning he can be a solid 5-7th man on a good team. But not that good.

But what I've seen on maxey is he can pretty much beat any defender off the dribble and create so much pressure driving. That's what we need. Someone to break down a defense. Sure he's wild, can brick on floaters, can get blocked near the rim. But it's the dribble penetration that is needed. Teams cannot crowd embed when Maxey is dribbling. Simmons doesn't do anything in the half court besides post up. Pass out of the post up. But just give the kid a chance. His outside shot is shaky. We know that. The form is ok in my opinion. But at least he's willing to take the shot. Just needs to make 33% or better in my opinion to at least create some fear in the defense, maybe they should creep up closer.

With Simmons they are sagging all the time. The shot isn't coming.

[RedSalsa]

IMHO the term PG is dead all Ben did was dribble the ball up the court and go sit in the dunkers spot. It’s not that hard to get the ball up the court but you DO NEED 5 guys that can score otherwise it’s 4 on 5.

[mjkvol]

100% agree because that's usually how these things work in the real world. No way is Simmons giving up a single paycheck - he'll let Klutch apply the pressure behind the scenes while he plays the good soldier for public consumption. I'm not even sure he will play the fake injury game, as that might damage his brand, which he seems to be obsessive about protecting. He knows he'll get his trade eventually, and will put up the good front publicly until it gets done. At least that's how it normally occurs.

If Simmons team knew anything about branding then there’s no way that they would allow posts of him with Ferraris or shooting jumpers in the current climate

They make him look really bad

What is the Ben Simmons brand? I hardly see anything Simmons related. Commercials? Ads? I’m not in Philadelphia. But I’m in florida but see Embiid commercials.

Than again I don’t see much Giannis or Jokic branding either.

Maybe 'brand' is the wrong word. Image? Listen, I didn't say he was good at it, but I have to believe that someone in his entourage will have the sense to suggest to him that sitting out isn't going to get him where he wants to be, or help him in any way, and will also cost him money, maybe the only real motivator this guy has.

[Sportfan73]

IMHO the term PG is dead all Ben did was dribble the ball up the court and go sit in the dunkers spot. It’s not that hard to get the ball up the court but you DO NEED 5 guys that can score otherwise it’s 4 on 5.

Yeah this is why Maxey/Sexton could easily coexist. 16 mins together and 16 mins apart. All 48 mins you have an aggressive scoring guard on the floor. Pair one of Curry/kork with one, one of green/Thybulle one of Harris/niang and one of Embiid/Drummond. Obviously some guys will play more than others but there’s the general idea. We’ve spent so many years with no good guards that could create their own shot or penetrate at will and now that we have one that might be able to we don’t want any more?

[sixers4real]

IMHO the term PG is dead all Ben did was dribble the ball up the court and go sit in the dunkers spot. It’s not that hard to get the ball up the court but you DO NEED 5 guys that can score otherwise it’s 4 on 5.

Yeah this is why Maxey/Sexton could easily coexist. 16 mins together and 16 mins apart. All 48 mins you have an aggressive scoring guard on the floor. Pair one of Curry/kork with one, one of green/Thybulle one of Harris/niang and one of Embiid/Drummond. Obviously some guys will play more than others but there’s the general idea. We’ve spent so many years with no good guards that could create their own shot or penetrate at will and now that we have one that might be able to we don’t want any more?

Of course we want. I just think we can get a better player then Sexton in a Simmons trade.
Fox/Ingram/Beal/Halliburton. I have this four players above Sexton.

[76ciology]

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OT: Kork working with Evan Turner’s trainer

[BNelley24]

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OT: Kork working with Evan Turner’s trainer

NGL I kind of chuckled at the highlight of him staring at the floor while dribbling

[GutUNC]

Morey wants to win title, not just be competitive.
He knows a bad deal = just let Simmons expire, because no title whatsoever.

So it’s either a good deal or they’ll let Simmons sit.

This situation is completely different to the AD/Butler/Harden.

Embiid is 27 going on 28 weren’t not just burning a year of his prime.

Trading him for a McCollum burns 3 years so....

[Eyeamok]

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OT: Kork working with Evan Turner’s trainer

Does that mean his shot is going to get blocked at a higher rate this season?

OT Your guy Okafor just got waived by the Nets.

[76ciology]

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OT: Kork working with Evan Turner’s trainer

Does that mean his shot is going to get blocked at a higher rate this season?

OT Your guy Okafor just got waived by the Nets.

Funny i was just wondering where he is right now because I have a scientist friend who knows how to clone a person’s skill into another person. Like in Lindsay Lohan’s movie “freaky friday”. I’d like to explain it to you but im sure you wont be able to understand it’s really advanced molecular biophysics. And I’m thinking of transferring Jah’s scoring to Ben.

[Sportfan73]

Morey wants to win title, not just be competitive.
He knows a bad deal = just let Simmons expire, because no title whatsoever.

So it’s either a good deal or they’ll let Simmons sit.

This situation is completely different to the AD/Butler/Harden.

Embiid is 27 going on 28 weren’t not just burning a year of his prime.

Trading him for a McCollum burns 3 years so....

Would rather have sexton and picks than any other realistic option

[GutUNC]

Embiid is 27 going on 28 weren’t not just burning a year of his prime.

Trading him for a McCollum burns 3 years so....

Would rather have sexton and picks than any other realistic option

That's fair. Speaking more to the Minnesota trash, the Barnes/Hield/Bagley stuff, the Brogdon stuff and the aforementioned McCollum disaster.

[Sportfan73]

Trading him for a McCollum burns 3 years so....

Would rather have sexton and picks than any other realistic option

That's fair. Speaking more to the Minnesota trash, the Barnes/Hield/Bagley stuff, the Brogdon stuff and the aforementioned McCollum disaster.

Yeah don’t get me wrong I’d love Ingram, Fox, Lavine, ect.. but compared to the real options being thrown around I think he’s the only one with even some upside chance of stardom and a fit next to Joel. Doesn’t mean it’s 100 or even 50 percent chance. But I look at it as a lotto ticket. I would rather get him and 2 firsts/2 swaps than 3 firsts/swaps. Or whatever it would be maybe that’s wishful thinking. But I would rather take a swing at a guy plus get a 25 first, and some swaps or something. Like we can still trade all of our own picks and with Joel’s age/injury history our future picks will be valuable. Anyway long story short I think we should be going for some type of optionality and if sexton doesn’t work then sign and trade him for a big exception or someone else?

[stormi]

Is Isaac Okoro an interesting prospect to y'all?

I'd need one of Garland or Mobley in a Ben trade.

Okoro and Sexton are mid, imo.

[Sportfan73]

Is Isaac Okoro an interesting prospect to y'all?

I'd need one of Garland or Mobley in a Ben trade.

Okoro and Sexton are mid, imo.

Sexton and similar picks to the twolves package all day

[stormi]

Is Isaac Okoro an interesting prospect to y'all?

I'd need one of Garland or Mobley in a Ben trade.

Okoro and Sexton are mid, imo.

Sexton and similar picks to the twolves package all day

Well yea, sure.

[76ciology]

Is Isaac Okoro an interesting prospect to y'all?

I'd need one of Garland or Mobley in a Ben trade.

Okoro and Sexton are mid, imo.

Cavs 2022 pick solves that.

Okoro is a bad prospect, even if I discount his bad rookie aeason and just look at him as a prospect coming out from college.

Mobley is a good prospect but should be properly valued as a top 10-13 pick than a top 3 pick prospect. I’d rather have Wiseman or Kuminga, which I do think have better upsides than Mobley.

Both Okoro and Mobley are also likely to be viewed as assets that we ship to a 3rd team than talents that fits with our team.

[76ciology]

At age 22, Sexton is better than Bradley Beal both Zach Lavine. A better scorer than Fox at age 22.

You are buying low for an appreciating asset that fits well with your team

Am I certain that the deal will work out for us? No. But I say you have a really good chance it will.

If you can get a 2022 Cavs pick, this would be a robbery for me.

[stormi]

Sexton doesn't look all that impressive on paper. We have to be better at identifying potential elite talent, from fodder on bad teams that swallow up major usage.

Only ~24% of his field goals come from 3. Red flag. Ideally you'd like this to be closer to a third.

Career <20% assist percentage. Major red flag. Not a reliable lead creator.

His free throw rate is really encouraging. But he's also tiny, is a bad defender and has negative length.

I think he's a microwave scoring 6th man on a really good team. He isn't creating much for those around him, he's a defensive sieve and he doesn't shoot enough 3's.

Sexton is like all of Trae's worst attributes, but without the elite playmaking&effortless range that makes him such a horse.

(Age 22) - Young ---- Booker ---- Sexton

3PAr(%): 35.7 --------- 33.0 ----------- 23.9
FTr(%): 49.1 ---------- 36.2 ----------- 34.7
AST(%): 45.5 ----- ---- 34.1 ------ ---- 22.6
%FG ast'd 2P: 12.5 ----- 29.5 ----------- 42.2

The difference between a trending championship #1 option vs. a #2 and a #...4/5.

Building around him screams Tobias Two. Shaky pillars with very apparent caution blinkers in their statistical profiles.