Another project idea; the greatest primes among the top 10 ever

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Re: Another project idea; the greatest primes among the top 10 ever 

Post#41 » by Odinn21 » Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:13 pm

LA Bird wrote:
Odinn21 wrote:The reasons why I have such winner's system in mind that I see not all gaps being linear and see a good chance for snubbed seasons having big impact on the results and leaving some close calls to personal preferences/interpretations.

Maybe I misunderstood your idea but based on this comment, I thought you would just be adding up all the points for both players to determine the winner (ie. 497 for Russell, 283 for Magic in the first round). This method would take into account how the gap between the #2 and #3 season (110 vs 87) was larger than the gap between the #8 and #13 season (39 vs 22) for example. It wouldn't change the end result there since Russell beat Magic by a very large margin but it could make a difference in a later round when the two players in question are closer.

I probably couldn't explain what I had in mind properly.

Votes would like this;
(This was my ranking in the Russell vs. Johnson thread)
1. 1962 Bill Russell
2. 1965 Bill Russell
3. 1963 Bill Russell
4. 1987 Magic Johnson
5. 1964 Bill Russell
6. 1988 Magic Johnson
7. 1990 Magic Johnson
8. 1961 Bill Russell
9. 1989 Magic Johnson
10. 1991 Magic Johnson
11. 1986 Magic Johnson
12. 1960 Bill Russell
Winner: Bill Russell

I would record every ranking and every winner of each individual rankings and declare the overall winner from winner votes and use a linear point system as a control mechanism / tiebreaker.

This Bird vs. Olajuwon comparison is looking a lot closer than Russell vs. Johnson.
I think this'll be my ranking for those 2;
1. 1994 Hakeem Olajuwon
2. 1986 Larry Bird
3. 1993 Hakeem Olajuwon
4. 1984 Larry Bird
5. 1995 Hakeem Olajuwon
6. 1985 Larry Bird
7. 1987 Larry Bird
8. 1990 Hakeem Olajuwon
9. 1988 Larry Bird
10. 1989 Hakeem Olajuwon
11. 1983 Larry Bird
12. 1997 Hakeem Olajuwon or 1981/1982 Larry Bird

Now; this is a comparison very very close and in 1-11 range; Bird leads by 39-38. I'm closer to pick 1997 Hakeem Olajuwon over 1981/1982 Bird but that would mean they are equals in this linear point system with 39-39. However, the gap between 1987/1988 Bird and 1989/90 Olajuwon is the most significant gap to me in there and Bird has the better prime in a very clear way. Definitely one of the tiniest edges but it's clear.
That's why I had such winner's system in mind. There are gaps one might be see them more significant than the others.

I was talking about leaving it to preference in close calls. Winners with a big margins will stay as winners but there'll be close calls.
The issue with per75 numbers;
36pts on 27 fga/9 fta in 36 mins, does this mean he'd keep up the efficiency to get 48pts on 36fga/12fta in 48 mins?
The answer; NO. He's human, not a linearly working machine.
Per75 is efficiency rate, not actual production.
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Re: Another project idea; the greatest primes among the top 10 ever 

Post#42 » by Odinn21 » Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:16 pm

Baski wrote:I really like this idea. I've been away from RGM for a while so I missed the beginning of this thread, but it looks like something we can refer to in future discussions. It'll be helpful to know the board's general view of peaks and primes of the top 10 guys relative to one another.

I don't have much confidence in the frequency, or even quality tbh, of my contributions to this project, but I'll definitely be reading along and commenting when I can.

I would definitely love to see your input. Hopefully you'll have the time to get involved, even without voting. (:
The issue with per75 numbers;
36pts on 27 fga/9 fta in 36 mins, does this mean he'd keep up the efficiency to get 48pts on 36fga/12fta in 48 mins?
The answer; NO. He's human, not a linearly working machine.
Per75 is efficiency rate, not actual production.
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Re: Another project idea; the greatest primes among the top 10 ever 

Post#43 » by 70sFan » Wed May 25, 2022 9:17 pm

I know it's been a long time and we missed Odinn (I hope he's fine by the way), but boy should we finish this project...

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