Marc Stein: Toronto has expressed interest in Ben Simmons
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Well, this sucks. Simmons is too offensively challenged and will never overcome it. Everyone crapped on Demar and Lowry playoff performances, wait till this guy passes out of open layups in a close game 7
2019 Eastern Conference All Stars
Derozan
Lowry
Ibaka
Valanciunas
Van Vleet
Delon Wright
Lebron
Embiid
There are only 2 teams in the league that rank in the top 6 in offensive and defensive efficiency: the Golden State Warriors and the Toronto Raptors.
Derozan
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Ibaka
Valanciunas
Van Vleet
Delon Wright
Lebron
Embiid
There are only 2 teams in the league that rank in the top 6 in offensive and defensive efficiency: the Golden State Warriors and the Toronto Raptors.
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Tomjas wrote:anotherhomer wrote:Tbh, if kings offer haliburton, Hield and Mitchell, the sixers are taking it
Sixers have been open in wanting a star or the assets to trade for one in return for Simmons
That trade does neither of the above
Ya thats a nice package for a team rebuilding but when you got Embiid in his prime, you need to put win now players around him.
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Tor_Raps wrote:Tomjas wrote:anotherhomer wrote:Tbh, if kings offer haliburton, Hield and Mitchell, the sixers are taking it
Sixers have been open in wanting a star or the assets to trade for one in return for Simmons
That trade does neither of the above
Ya thats a nice package for a team rebuilding but when you got Embiid in his prime, you need to put win now players around him.
FVV is the perfect fit. Hard nosed defence, hit shots, doesn't rely on penetration that gets in the way of Joel
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Haliburton is considered untouchable by kings and most ppl who follow kings can understand why
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Nebuchadnezzar wrote:Tor_Raps wrote:Tomjas wrote:
Sixers have been open in wanting a star or the assets to trade for one in return for Simmons
That trade does neither of the above
Ya thats a nice package for a team rebuilding but when you got Embiid in his prime, you need to put win now players around him.
FVV is the perfect fit. Hard nosed defence, hit shots, doesn't rely on penetration that gets in the way of Joel
They already rejected Brogdan so don't see why they'd go for Fred. They would be in need of a go to perimeter threat and CJ McCollum fits that's criteria the best imo. Very curious what type of package gets accepted for Simmons at this stage.
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If the best they're gonna get is CJ, they screwed up big time. They should've ran it back. Simmons is critical to their defence and they'll have no one to guard Durant or GIannis now. They're done.
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PT416 wrote:If the best they're gonna get is CJ, they screwed up big time. They should've ran it back. Simmons is critical to their defence and they'll have no one to guard Durant or GIannis now. They're done.
PJ Tucker, Jae Crowder, etc. are who you get to guard Durant or Giannis. Your corner stone player needs to get you buckets
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PT416 wrote:If the best they're gonna get is CJ, they screwed up big time. They should've ran it back. Simmons is critical to their defence and they'll have no one to guard Durant or GIannis now. They're done.
CJ/Nance JR/Little plus 2 lottery protected 1st round picks for Simmons/Maxey.
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dkb9696 wrote:PT416 wrote:If the best they're gonna get is CJ, they screwed up big time. They should've ran it back. Simmons is critical to their defence and they'll have no one to guard Durant or GIannis now. They're done.
CJ/Nance JR/Little plus 2 lottery protected 1st round picks for Simmons/Maxey.
Portland doesn't have 1st round picks to trade. Their genius GM gave up the ability to do that with the Nance Jr. trade.
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Kreamy wrote:dkb9696 wrote:PT416 wrote:If the best they're gonna get is CJ, they screwed up big time. They should've ran it back. Simmons is critical to their defence and they'll have no one to guard Durant or GIannis now. They're done.
CJ/Nance JR/Little plus 2 lottery protected 1st round picks for Simmons/Maxey.
Portland doesn't have 1st round picks to trade. Their genius GM gave up the ability to do that with the Nance Jr. trade.
Olshey traded a first round pick for Covington. He traded a first round pick for Nance. Was it worth it for Portland?
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mtcan wrote:Kreamy wrote:dkb9696 wrote:
CJ/Nance JR/Little plus 2 lottery protected 1st round picks for Simmons/Maxey.
Portland doesn't have 1st round picks to trade. Their genius GM gave up the ability to do that with the Nance Jr. trade.
Olshey traded a first round pick for Covington. He traded a first round pick for Nance. Was it worth it for Portland?
That is right. I forgot that Portland traded 1st round picks in the Covington/Nance JR deals. I had a brain fart. lol
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I think at this point, Philly probably has to accept that they need to take a gap year from being a legit contender. I'd hope for a deal like this:
Draymond/Moody/Kuminga. Philly basically punts on the season as a legit contender, but stays competitive with a Simmons replacement, and two really good prospects. The fit of Simmons and Draymond was never going to be great, but Wiggins/Ben is a better fit around Steph & Klay.
Philly re-stocks its asset base, becomes an exciting young team again, and slows down the timeline of becoming a champion. It's not the package they wanted, but at least they could have a bright future again. I personally don't see a realistic avenue that lands them Beal or Lillard (or even Lavine), so I'd guess that they'd have to start planning ahead soon.
Draymond/Moody/Kuminga. Philly basically punts on the season as a legit contender, but stays competitive with a Simmons replacement, and two really good prospects. The fit of Simmons and Draymond was never going to be great, but Wiggins/Ben is a better fit around Steph & Klay.
Philly re-stocks its asset base, becomes an exciting young team again, and slows down the timeline of becoming a champion. It's not the package they wanted, but at least they could have a bright future again. I personally don't see a realistic avenue that lands them Beal or Lillard (or even Lavine), so I'd guess that they'd have to start planning ahead soon.
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Why do we have 95 pages for this bum Simmons? Should be 3 pages max. Do not want. And LOL at giving FVV, Boucher and picks for this loser. FOH!
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Normally I would want this thread locked but the forum is so dead right now we should probably keep it open lol.
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For giggles, here’s a proposal:
Fred, Dragic, Boucher, 2022 1st (top 10 protected), 2022 2nd
for
Simmons, Curry
Philly gets a starting backcourt. We go full position less.
3 different lineups:
Simmons-Trent-OG-Siakam-Achiuwa
Curry/Flynn-Trent-Simmons-Siakam-OG
or the ultimate tall ball (needs shooting):
Simmons-OG-Barnes-Siakam-Achiuwa
Fred, Dragic, Boucher, 2022 1st (top 10 protected), 2022 2nd
for
Simmons, Curry
Philly gets a starting backcourt. We go full position less.
3 different lineups:
Simmons-Trent-OG-Siakam-Achiuwa
Curry/Flynn-Trent-Simmons-Siakam-OG
or the ultimate tall ball (needs shooting):
Simmons-OG-Barnes-Siakam-Achiuwa
Fire everyone who doesn't win the NBA championship.
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Never forget. Did we all forget that our own team used to come up short in the 4th of games all the time?
For all his in season "performances" is he really worth the max? Me thinks not
For all his in season "performances" is he really worth the max? Me thinks not
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God Squad wrote:Never forget. Did we all forget that our own team used to come up short in the 4th of games all the time?
For all his in season "performances" is he really worth the max? Me thinks not
For the entire POs, 4th Qs...
I cant imagine dealing with that.
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Name me one other all-star who could average 83 FG% in the 4th quarter in the playoffs?
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Put him in the HOF!ATLTimekeeper wrote:Name me one other all-star who could average 83 FG% in the 4th quarter in the playoffs?
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vini_vidi_vici wrote:God Squad wrote:Never forget. Did we all forget that our own team used to come up short in the 4th of games all the time?
For all his in season "performances" is he really worth the max? Me thinks not
For the entire POs, 4th Qs...
I cant imagine dealing with that.
To play the devils advocate, how did Ben fare in 18-19? Could it be a case of Doc being Doc and not utilizing Ben properly?