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Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4

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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1241 » by 76ciology » Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:49 am

stormi wrote:Sexton doesn't look all that impressive on paper. We have to be better at identifying potential elite talent, from fodder on bad teams that swallow up major usage.

Only ~24% of his field goals come from 3. Red flag. Ideally you'd like this to be closer to a third.

Career <20% assist percentage. Major red flag. Not a reliable lead creator.

His free throw rate is really encouraging. But he's also tiny, is a bad defender and has negative length.

I think he's a microwave scoring 6th man on a really good team. He isn't creating much for those around him, he's a defensive sieve and he doesn't shoot enough 3's.

Sexton is like all of Trae's worst attributes, but without the elite playmaking&effortless range that makes him such a horse.

(Age 22) - Young ---- Booker ---- Sexton

3PAr(%): 35.7 --------- 33.0 ----------- 23.9
FTr(%): 49.1 ---------- 36.2 ----------- 34.7
AST(%): 45.5 ----- ---- 34.1 ------ ---- 22.6
%FG ast'd 2P: 12.5 ----- 29.5 ----------- 42.2

The difference between a trending championship #1 option vs. a #2 and a #...4/5.

Building around him screams Tobias Two. Shaky pillars with very apparent caution blinkers in their statistical profiles.


He’s not as good as Trae
He’s not as good as a scorer as Booker at age 22

If he is as good or better than those two, then you can’t get him likely with a pick, with Ben Simmons.

Who does not want Trae or Booker? I’d definitely pick those two over Sexton.

But Sexton is the best scorer you can get right now with Ben. What’s the alternative? FVV or Brogdon?

And he has a chance to be as good or better scorer than DeAaron Fox, Beal or Lavine.

I want a Lamborghini and a private plane but my budget is only for a Toyota but someone is willing to give me a Ford Mustang and a lottery ticket.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1242 » by Sportfan73 » Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:59 am

76ciology wrote:
stormi wrote:Sexton doesn't look all that impressive on paper. We have to be better at identifying potential elite talent, from fodder on bad teams that swallow up major usage.

Only ~24% of his field goals come from 3. Red flag. Ideally you'd like this to be closer to a third.

Career <20% assist percentage. Major red flag. Not a reliable lead creator.

His free throw rate is really encouraging. But he's also tiny, is a bad defender and has negative length.

I think he's a microwave scoring 6th man on a really good team. He isn't creating much for those around him, he's a defensive sieve and he doesn't shoot enough 3's.

Sexton is like all of Trae's worst attributes, but without the elite playmaking&effortless range that makes him such a horse.

(Age 22) - Young ---- Booker ---- Sexton

3PAr(%): 35.7 --------- 33.0 ----------- 23.9
FTr(%): 49.1 ---------- 36.2 ----------- 34.7
AST(%): 45.5 ----- ---- 34.1 ------ ---- 22.6
%FG ast'd 2P: 12.5 ----- 29.5 ----------- 42.2

The difference between a trending championship #1 option vs. a #2 and a #...4/5.

Building around him screams Tobias Two. Shaky pillars with very apparent caution blinkers in their statistical profiles.


He’s not as good as Trae
He’s not as good as a scorer as Booker at age 22

If he is as good or better than those two, then you can’t get him likely with a pick, with Ben Simmons.

Who does not want Trae or Booker? I’d definitely pick those two over Sexton.

But Sexton is the best scorer you can get right now with Ben. What’s the alternative? FVV or Brogdon?

And he has a chance to be as good or better scorer than DeAaron Fox, Beal or Lavine.

I want a Lamborghini and a private plane but my budget is only for a Toyota but someone is willing to give me a Ford Mustang and a lottery ticket.

This x1000000 I don’t get the all or nothing attitude with him. And you literally don’t have to pay him if the year goes that badly and can still get an exception or matching expiring. Fvv turns 28 this year. Brogdon 29. Cj 30. FVV SHOOTS 39 PERCENT FROM THE FIELD AND THE SAME FROM 3 AT AGE 28!!!!
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1243 » by stormi » Sat Sep 11, 2021 8:04 am

'Isn't as good' is putting it nicely. He's dramatically worse. Sexton is average, to bad in every key area of a winning player for his position. He doesn't reliably create, he doesn't shoot 3's, he doesn't defend.

His own awful team not wanting to commit money to him beyond this season should have been the indicator. He's a losing player.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1244 » by 76ciology » Sat Sep 11, 2021 8:07 am

But its good that some people think Sexton is a bad player because AGAIN i want that Cavs pick.

Sexton could possibly be just a distraction or a misdirection to the bigger prize
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1245 » by stormi » Sat Sep 11, 2021 8:10 am

Every single Minnesota pick or De'Aaron Fox please.

The rest of these trade options shouldn't even be considered.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1246 » by 76ciology » Sat Sep 11, 2021 8:20 am

Sexton:
21 doubled team possessions per game (8th in the league)

Shoots 42% on 3s crunch time highest among players with atleast 4+ attempts

Looking at his FT% and the trajectory of his 3pt shooting, he can improve more as a 3pt shooter

Yes, Sexton has some flaws with how he scores. That just shows how much better he can be.

Will he be better? No one knows.
But he is very likely to be better.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1247 » by Tomjas » Sat Sep 11, 2021 8:46 am

Don’t mind Sexton but the prize is the pick

People need to come to terms with the fact that we are going to be worse in the short term without Ben and need these assets if/when a star becomes available before the deadline or in the offseason
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1248 » by Tomjas » Sat Sep 11, 2021 8:57 am

Simmons can’t transform that Cavs roster into a good RS team overnight

Kings will be treadmill because they have one of the worst coaches in the league so pick will be middle of the road

Spurs have great coaching/development so will likely be overachievers with Ben

If the mental health professionals do their thing, KAT/Ben/Ant/D’lo could go on a crazy run rendering the Wolves picks way less valuable

IF the objective is quality trade assets, then it’s the Cavs (or a deal involving OKC or similar)
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1249 » by Rastas » Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:43 am

Ok enough sex talk
What if Cavs think Sexi and Ben together is the way to go and offer Garland?
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1250 » by eyeatoma » Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:08 pm

Rastas wrote:Ok enough sex talk
What if Cavs think Sexi and Ben together is the way to go and offer Garland?
They won't, Garland is way better.

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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1251 » by Iverson Armband » Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:22 pm

stormi wrote:or De'Aaron Fox please.


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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1252 » by Sportfan73 » Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:23 pm

stormi wrote:Every single Minnesota pick or De'Aaron Fox please.

The rest of these trade options shouldn't even be considered.

Nah. We’ve seen players that age make WAY BIGGER JUMPS than what your talking about. Like why in the absolute world would you want Minnesota picks over sexton and picks?
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1253 » by Sportfan73 » Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:25 pm

76ciology wrote:Sexton:
21 doubled team possessions per game (8th in the league)

Shoots 42% on 3s crunch time highest among players with atleast 4+ attempts

Looking at his FT% and the trajectory of his 3pt shooting, he can improve more as a 3pt shooter

Yes, Sexton has some flaws with how he scores. That just shows how much better he can be.

Will he be better? No one knows.
But he is very likely to be better.

Watching people advocate for these other packages or guys and then turn a blind eye to someone who’s had terrible coaches, terrible team situations, and still done what he’s done by 22 is so baffling to me it literally HAS to be blind blind blind Maxey homerism
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1254 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:44 pm

Sexton can put the ball in the hoop. That's what we're looking for right? A scorer? A guy who can get buckets? A guy who is still very young with a lot of untapped potential? We are in no position to be picky about this. Ben is getting traded, we are too deep into this now for it to be anything else. If we can get Collin Sexton and a pick for Ben Simmons then YOU DO IT and work it out later. It's great that we have Maxey in the mix and of course fit would be an issue, but I personally don't care. The priority with trading Ben Simmons should be to acquire the best possible talent ready to play right now. That formula unfortunately doesn't equate to Anthony Edwards or Devin Booker, or any other dream guard for this team. It points to Collin Sexton, and a less likely D'Aaron Fox. Take it and run.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1255 » by Kobblehead » Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:55 pm

Then you have Harris and Sexton, two guys who can make threes, but are reluctant to take them at the requisite volume. Two guys that can put up scoring production, but aren't quite great one-on-one ball handlers that can get their stuff whenever they want in the halfcourt.

It's just hard to get fully excited about a trade with the Cavs. The pick would be the best asset in the trade IMO.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1256 » by UnFadeable21 » Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:56 pm

Read on Twitter
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Can’t lie, I agree with Shaq and Chuck about Ben
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1257 » by K3nny Pow3rs » Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:05 pm

LOL Shaq sounds so jealous.

cool93 wrote:About what?

Simmons is an NBA player while also living the fun lifestyle simultaneously.
Shaq is no longer an NBA player, and probably hasn't got the physical ability to enjoy himself the way Simmons can, plus Shaq has a big family which could get in the way of his freedom.

BNelley24 wrote:Hate him or not Shaq and Chuck are 1000% correct. You ain’t that good bro.

Well they have mouths, and that's about all.
Simmons has a life, something Chuck and Shancy don't have anymore.....so they talk about Ben's life instead.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1258 » by eyeatoma » Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:37 pm

K3nny Pow3rs wrote:LOL Shaq sounds so jealous.


He sounds like he knows exactly what he's talking about. You don't think Shaq got laid with basically any woman he wanted when he was Ben's age lol? Ben couldn't sniff Shaq's jockstrap as an NBA player either. He has nothing to be jealous about at all.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1259 » by cool93 » Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:58 pm

K3nny Pow3rs wrote:LOL Shaq sounds so jealous.
About what?

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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1260 » by stormi » Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:17 pm

Sportfan73 wrote:
stormi wrote:Every single Minnesota pick or De'Aaron Fox please.

The rest of these trade options shouldn't even be considered.

Nah. We’ve seen players that age make WAY BIGGER JUMPS than what your talking about. Like why in the absolute world would you want Minnesota picks over sexton and picks?


Collin Sexton is literally garbage lmfao, I don't rate him in the slightest. If the Cavaliers include 2 unprotected picks & swaps, then i'd be more intrigued. More realistically it would be a singular pick that has light protections. Minnesota play in the bloodbath west so their draft capital holds more value to me.

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