2021-22 regular season thread

[Neonblazer]

try to play val as full time pg feeding lauri.

The problem with everything you see with all the players in Bulls was positionless basketball. When its implemented well it can work but Chicago basically just got bunch of shooting guards and expected them to be good at finding other players. Valentine is decent shooter but if you put him in the control with the ball he will just shoot it himself, regardless of the situation. Valentine needs to be paired with PG who can just deny him the ball when he is not in a good spot.

[jbk1234]

If the Cavs can't get any proven players to sign with them in FA why not take a chance on lottery ticket type players?

Obviously defense is a concern with Valentine, but we have enough one-way defenders on the bench to make it work.

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defense is not a problem for denzel. same for lauri. these guys arent going to slack off like all stars do they give max effort.
what im concerned is being in chicago ruined their careers and im not sure if cleveland is the ideal place given that rose struggled here as well although he was a borderline all star guy.

check their draft profile and they have their ways of playing their games. believe it or not, valentine was a draymond green type player coming from msu while lauri was also the best 7ft shooting prospect history has ever seen that has some point forward skills.
improving to their fullest potential is whats important but if you start nitpicking small stuff like defense, thats when their confidence goes down with the benching. idc homw many minutes they get just play them together and away from sexton to make them feel home. try to play val as full time pg feeding lauri.

You can give full effort on defense and still be bad on that end. Rose hasn't had the lateral quickness to defend the position well in many years. Rodney Hood had all the physical attributes to be a good defender but avoided contact at all costs.

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[Harper4Ferry?]

ESPN is projecting us as a 26 win team and about 14 wins short of the #10 play-in spot. Can't say that they're wrong at this point.

Casinos have us 500:1 to win the title and 250:1 to win the Eastern Conference. Win total bet over/under is 26.5 on a few casinos.

I will be disappointed if this is another brutal season. I'd like to watch games after mid January that mean something.

[JonFromVA]

ESPN is projecting us as a 26 win team and about 14 wins short of the #10 play-in spot. Can't say that they're wrong at this point.

Casinos have us 500:1 to win the title and 250:1 to win the Eastern Conference. Win total bet over/under is 26.5 on a few casinos.

I will be disappointed if this is another brutal season. I'd like to watch games after mid January that mean something.

26.5 wins in an 82 game season seems pretty brutal when you consider it's just a game or two better than last season.

I'm pretty sure they're wrong...

[jbk1234]

ESPN is projecting us as a 26 win team and about 14 wins short of the #10 play-in spot. Can't say that they're wrong at this point.

Casinos have us 500:1 to win the title and 250:1 to win the Eastern Conference. Win total bet over/under is 26.5 on a few casinos.

I will be disappointed if this is another brutal season. I'd like to watch games after mid January that mean something.

26.5 wins in an 82 game season seems pretty brutal when you consider it's just a game or two better than last season.

I'm pretty sure they're wrong...

We badly needed to upgrade our wings and we haven't. Since we traded Hood, Burke, and Clarkson for 2nds, we haven't had an NBA caliber backup SG on the roster and it's really limited our ability to make adjustments to our lineups. After last season, the Cavs finally determined, correctly in my view, that Garland, Sexton, and Okoro simply lacked the requisite size to defend at a passable level, and yet, we're still starting Garland, Sexton, and Okoro. We still have really serious spacing issues in both the first and second units.

Windler is too hurt to report to training camp, again. I have upgrading Lauri over Love and Rubio over Dotson as worth + 6-10 wins. I have the loss of Prince and the spacing he provided as -3 wins. So unless Mobley is much further along than anyone thinks, or we get a huge jump out Okoro on the offensive end of the court (and it wasn't there in Summer League), I'm not seeing a viable path to 30 wins. Absent a Love and/or Sexton trade, all of our fundamental issues, save backup PG, remain unfixed.

[JonFromVA]

ESPN is projecting us as a 26 win team and about 14 wins short of the #10 play-in spot. Can't say that they're wrong at this point.

Casinos have us 500:1 to win the title and 250:1 to win the Eastern Conference. Win total bet over/under is 26.5 on a few casinos.

I will be disappointed if this is another brutal season. I'd like to watch games after mid January that mean something.

26.5 wins in an 82 game season seems pretty brutal when you consider it's just a game or two better than last season.

I'm pretty sure they're wrong...

We badly needed to upgrade our wings and we haven't. Since we traded Hood, Burke, and Clarkson for 2nds, we haven't had an NBA caliber backup SG on the roster and it's really limited our ability to make adjustments to our lineups. After last season, the Cavs finally determined, correctly in my view, that Garland, Sexton, and Okoro simply lacked the requisite size to defend at a passable level, and yet, we're still starting Garland, Sexton, and Okoro. We still have really serious spacing issues in both the first and second units.

Windler is too hurt to report to training camp, again. I have upgrading Lauri over Love and Rubio over Dotson as worth + 6-10 wins. I have the loss of Prince and the spacing he provided as -3 wins. So unless Mobley is much further along than anyone thinks, or we get a huge jump out Okoro on the offensive end of the court (and it wasn't there in Summer League), I'm not seeing a viable path to 30 wins. Absent a Love and/or Sexton trade, all of our fundamental issues, save backup PG, remain unfixed.

Young players improve ... and with any luck we have fewer injuries.

[jbk1234]

26.5 wins in an 82 game season seems pretty brutal when you consider it's just a game or two better than last season.

I'm pretty sure they're wrong...

We badly needed to upgrade our wings and we haven't. Since we traded Hood, Burke, and Clarkson for 2nds, we haven't had an NBA caliber backup SG on the roster and it's really limited our ability to make adjustments to our lineups. After last season, the Cavs finally determined, correctly in my view, that Garland, Sexton, and Okoro simply lacked the requisite size to defend at a passable level, and yet, we're still starting Garland, Sexton, and Okoro. We still have really serious spacing issues in both the first and second units.

Windler is too hurt to report to training camp, again. I have upgrading Lauri over Love and Rubio over Dotson as worth + 6-10 wins. I have the loss of Prince and the spacing he provided as -3 wins. So unless Mobley is much further along than anyone thinks, or we get a huge jump out Okoro on the offensive end of the court (and it wasn't there in Summer League), I'm not seeing a viable path to 30 wins. Absent a Love and/or Sexton trade, all of our fundamental issues, save backup PG, remain unfixed.

Young players improve ... and with any luck we have fewer injuries.

I'm not saying we can't have a degree of internal improvement that I'm not anticipating, I'm saying I'm not anticipating it. Sexton could give a lot more effort in other facets of his game, versus taking more shots to get paid. Cedi could realize he's better when he doesn't try to do too much. Okoro could develop a legit jumper. Mobley could be much further along as a 19 year old big than we're giving him credit for.

But I'm not betting my money on that happening.

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[toooskies]

We badly needed to upgrade our wings and we haven't. Since we traded Hood, Burke, and Clarkson for 2nds, we haven't had an NBA caliber backup SG on the roster and it's really limited our ability to make adjustments to our lineups. After last season, the Cavs finally determined, correctly in my view, that Garland, Sexton, and Okoro simply lacked the requisite size to defend at a passable level, and yet, we're still starting Garland, Sexton, and Okoro. We still have really serious spacing issues in both the first and second units.

Windler is too hurt to report to training camp, again. I have upgrading Lauri over Love and Rubio over Dotson as worth + 6-10 wins. I have the loss of Prince and the spacing he provided as -3 wins. So unless Mobley is much further along than anyone thinks, or we get a huge jump out Okoro on the offensive end of the court (and it wasn't there in Summer League), I'm not seeing a viable path to 30 wins. Absent a Love and/or Sexton trade, all of our fundamental issues, save backup PG, remain unfixed.

Young players improve ... and with any luck we have fewer injuries.

I'm not saying we can't have a degree of internal improvement that I'm not anticipating, I'm saying I'm not anticipating it. Sexton could give a lot more effort in other facets of his game, versus taking more shots to get paid. Cedi could realize he's better when he doesn't try to do too much. Okoro could develop a legit jumper. Mobley could be much further along as a 19 year old big than we're giving him credit for.

But I'm not betting my money on that happening.

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Still surprising that you're counting on the team upheaval that Drummond's drama caused, the drama that Porter caused, the multitude of random injuries to starters and reserves... And while I wouldn't guarantee progress from any one individual (except maybe Okoro), I think it's reasonable to expect many of them to get better and other than Sexton, can't imagine many of them playing worse.

I think you also overrate the impact of losing Prince, at least relative to last year. Despite the fact he could occasionally hit a three, he was still a pretty bad basketball player. He only played 29 games for the 2020 team and while he might have shot 41.5% on threes, he shot 38.5% on twos. (Under 50% on shots at the rim, which you'd expect out of 6-foot guards and not 6'-7" combo forwards.) He's never had a positive DRTG and was bad on both the Cavs and the Nets last year. The guy's career VORP is 0.1. His presence didn't give the Cavs three wins last year by making 1.7 threes in the games he did play.

Also, not confident the Cavs learned anything about not playing Garland, Sexton, and Okoro together. Barring trade, that's the starting lineup and they're going to get plenty of minutes. All we really know is that they're not planning to use Sexton as the backup PG, which means we might see even more overlap of minutes with him and Garland.

[JonFromVA]

We badly needed to upgrade our wings and we haven't. Since we traded Hood, Burke, and Clarkson for 2nds, we haven't had an NBA caliber backup SG on the roster and it's really limited our ability to make adjustments to our lineups. After last season, the Cavs finally determined, correctly in my view, that Garland, Sexton, and Okoro simply lacked the requisite size to defend at a passable level, and yet, we're still starting Garland, Sexton, and Okoro. We still have really serious spacing issues in both the first and second units.

Windler is too hurt to report to training camp, again. I have upgrading Lauri over Love and Rubio over Dotson as worth + 6-10 wins. I have the loss of Prince and the spacing he provided as -3 wins. So unless Mobley is much further along than anyone thinks, or we get a huge jump out Okoro on the offensive end of the court (and it wasn't there in Summer League), I'm not seeing a viable path to 30 wins. Absent a Love and/or Sexton trade, all of our fundamental issues, save backup PG, remain unfixed.

Young players improve ... and with any luck we have fewer injuries.

I'm not saying we can't have a degree of internal improvement that I'm not anticipating, I'm saying I'm not anticipating it. Sexton could give a lot more effort in other facets of his game, versus taking more shots to get paid. Cedi could realize he's better when he doesn't try to do too much. Okoro could develop a legit jumper. Mobley could be much further along as a 19 year old big than we're giving him credit for.

But I'm not betting my money on that happening.

Ok, I'm not going to blame you for setting your expectations below the ground floor, but the whole point of building around 19 year olds is getting them to the point they can start contributing to winning and they are all one step closer.

[JonFromVA]

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[jbk1234]

This just feels like Jimmy Cayne and Bear Stearns to me. SGA is extended. MPJ is extended. Once Sexton is extended, I have to imagine the Cavs are out.

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[toooskies]

This just feels like Jimmy Cayne and Bear Stearns to me. SGA is extended. MPJ is extended. Once Sexton is extended, I have to imagine the Cavs are out.

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Love and three firsts might be on the table!

[jbk1234]

This just feels like Jimmy Cayne and Bear Stearns to me. SGA is extended. MPJ is extended. Once Sexton is extended, I have to imagine the Cavs are out.

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Love and three firsts might be on the table!

According to a recent report, Simmons wants to be the No. 1 option on offense surrounded by shooters. That concerns me tbh.

[JonFromVA]

This just feels like Jimmy Cayne and Bear Stearns to me. SGA is extended. MPJ is extended. Once Sexton is extended, I have to imagine the Cavs are out.

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Love and three firsts might be on the table!

According to a recent report, Simmons wants to be the No. 1 option on offense surrounded by shooters. That concerns me tbh.

Of course he does and since he's not going to play PF/C he pretty much has to be; but it's just the tip of the iceberg of things to be concerned about.

[jbk1234]

Love and three firsts might be on the table!

According to a recent report, Simmons wants to be the No. 1 option on offense surrounded by shooters. That concerns me tbh.

Of course he does and since he's not going to play PF/C he pretty much has to be; but it's just the tip of the iceberg of things to be concerned about.

Yeah, I don't know if that's just posturing by Klutch, or real, but I think I'm out on Simmons.

[Harper4Ferry?]

Anyone know if Simmons is vaxxed? If not, I'd like to change my vote to not interested.

[JonFromVA]

Anyone know if Simmons is vaxxed? If not, I'd like to change my vote to not interested.

I setup the poll so we can change our votes whenever we want, lol

[jbk1234]

Anyone know if Simmons is vaxxed? If not, I'd like to change my vote to not interested.

I setup the poll so we can change our votes whenever we want, lol

Needs a still vacillating option tbh.

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[JonFromVA]

Anyone know if Simmons is vaxxed? If not, I'd like to change my vote to not interested.

I setup the poll so we can change our votes whenever we want, lol

Needs a still vacillating option tbh.

It's just seems clunky trying to build around Simmons, but I haven't watched him day in and day out, and the defensive upside is really cool but 20 years too late. Which is why I ultimately made my stand on the intangibles ... his drive, character, etc. Silly to look beyond talent, I know, but it's my right as a fan.

[jbk1234]

I setup the poll so we can change our votes whenever we want, lol

Needs a still vacillating option tbh.

It's just seems clunky trying to build around Simmons, but I haven't watched him day in and day out, and the defensive upside is really cool but 20 years too late. Which is why I ultimately made my stand on the intangibles ... his drive, character, etc. Silly to look beyond talent, I know, but it's my right as a fan.

It'll only work with him as a secondary ball handler out of the SF position. If he's not good with that, the Cavs need to be out altogether.

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