Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4

[76ciology]

Jrue in the playoffs... his defense was a major factor. Not sure if you watched the games.

Donovan and Jamal's defense is a major factor in their teams losing.

Clarkson instead of Dejounte lol. Clarkson did nothing better with tha Jazz than he did with the Lakers except play more minutes and take more shore. Look where that got the Jazz.

Point differential does not discriminate whether you get it from offense or defense.

But because of how the rules is implemented nowadays, it’s easier to get point differential from offense than on defense.

You will be surprised that the most credible advanced stats out there favors jordan clarkson over dejounte murray

Jazz were also #1 seed and got dumped out of playoffs because their perimeter defence sucked

Could be their perimeter defense.
Could be because Gobert is a weak link on defense.
Could also be because they need more offense.

[Negrodamus]

What do you think about trading Simmons for Jamal Murray?
“Nuggets” probably do not need a third volume scorer next to Porter and Jokic, and they just need a strong defender.
“Philadelphia” in this case will receive a star player.

Yes, can you convince Denver to do it?

[eyeatoma]

What do you think about trading Simmons for Jamal Murray?
“Nuggets” probably do not need a third volume scorer next to Porter and Jokic, and they just need a strong defender.
“Philadelphia” in this case will receive a star player.

I dont like it. But since i think you are a nice guy, i’ll do it.

Murray is coming off an ACL tear. Not risking that. Also, we wouldn't even have him this year. So he comes back next year, and then probably takes another year to get back to his hold self? So that's 2 years of Embiid's prime wasted, just to have a maybe for a co-star?

No thanks.

[LeonJordanJr24]

Brandon Ingram , Jalen Brown or Lavine for Ben. In that order makes since.

BI is my top choice.

[Sportfan73]

Brandon Ingram , Jalen Brown or Lavine for Ben. In that order makes since.

BI is my top choice.

No chance in hell we get Brown. Lavine maybe only because he’s expiring, and Ingram only if New Orleans is REALLY dumb

[Iverson Armband]

Brandon Ingram , Jalen Brown or Lavine for Ben. In that order makes since.

BI is my top choice.

Just out of curiosity, when exactly did it dawn on you that just about every team in the leagues first or second best player for Simmons makes sense in a deal for the Sixers?

[mzfk69]

What do you think about trading Simmons for Jamal Murray?
“Nuggets” probably do not need a third volume scorer next to Porter and Jokic, and they just need a strong defender.
“Philadelphia” in this case will receive a star player.

I dont like it. But since i think you are a nice guy, i’ll do it.

Murray is coming off an ACL tear. Not risking that. Also, we wouldn't even have him this year. So he comes back next year, and then probably takes another year to get back to his hold self? So that's 2 years of Embiid's prime wasted, just to have a maybe for a co-star?

No thanks.

ESPN: Aug 7 Murray (knee) has progressed to shooting and at least light running.
I think he can return this season.

Getting another star will be problematic.
Ingram is probably available, but Simmons and Zion are not a very good fit.
Fox is loyal to Sacramento, I think the Kings wont give up on such a player.
LaVine is a franchise player for the Bulls and Simmons is worth a lot less due to playoff performance and insider info about his interactions with the 76s.
Beal and Lillard did not request a trade.
If Brown was not traded for Kawhi, Davis, Harden and Lillard, then he wont be traded for Simmons.
But that's just my opinion.

[Negrodamus]

Jamal Murray's athleticism (which I don't think will be too affected by simply tearing his ACL) is not really his game, just an added bonus. He is one of the premiere shooters in the game and just put up a massive playoff performance during the quarantine playoffs. Given more responsibility, I believe he is a 30 ppg scorer with distribution skills. I just don't see why Denver would want to put Ben with Jokic when they are basically utilized the same on offense except Jokic being infinitely better. Then you have Aaron Gordon, a non-shooter, occupying similar spots in the half court at Ben.

None of it makes sense for Denver, but I'd instantly do that trade for us.

[Mik317]

yall are nuts

Gimme this all star level shot maker for a guy who doesn't shoot, doesn't want to be here, and has died in the playoffs 3 times in a row.

Ingram is not on the table. Fox isn't on the table. Jamal Murray isn't on the table.

Why would those teams give up their best assets for Ben? Like even if they believe in him still and all that jazz...why even offer your best when you don't have to? The only way those deals happen is if those guys also aren't happy and want out....and guess what I highly doubt they want to come here and I highly doubt Ben is the best offer on the table.

Yall are setting yourselves up to be very mad when this deal eventually happens lol. **** I'd be surprise if we could get CJ's mid ass at this point lol.

[mzfk69]

Jamal Murray's athleticism (which I don't think will be too affected by simply tearing his ACL) is not really his game, just an added bonus. He is one of the premiere shooters in the game and just put up a massive playoff performance during the quarantine playoffs. Given more responsibility, I believe he is a 30 ppg scorer with distribution skills. I just don't see why Denver would want to put Ben with Jokic when they are basically utilized the same on offense except Jokic being infinitely better. Then you have Aaron Gordon, a non-shooter, occupying similar spots in the half court at Ben.

None of it makes sense for Denver, but I'd instantly do that trade for us.

Any team that gets Ben will be forced to embrace his weaknesses and make the most of his strengths.
I think the Nuggets can sacrifice spacing in certain periods of matches, but in return balance their playing model, which now has only one good defender.
Other than Jokic, the only Simmons compatible centers that come to my mind are Towns, Vucevic and JJJ.
For example, a pair of Sabonis and Turner look better separately than together.

As for the decadent sentiment regarding Ben's value in such a deal. Murray is still recovering from injury, the Nuggets will sooner or later have to give up Jamal or Porter if they want to win something with Jokić. A team without d is incapable of this.
Even Nets have more opportunities in their own half of the court.
Why doesn't Morey showcase his talent as a trader again?

[the_process]

yall are nuts

Gimme this all star level shot maker for a guy who doesn't shoot, doesn't want to be here, and has died in the playoffs 3 times in a row.

Ingram is not on the table. Fox isn't on the table. Jamal Murray isn't on the table.

Why would those teams give up their best assets for Ben? Like even if they believe in him still and all that jazz...why even offer your best when you don't have to? The only way those deals happen is if those guys also aren't happy and want out....and guess what I highly doubt they want to come here and I highly doubt Ben is the best offer on the table.

Yall are setting yourselves up to be very mad when this deal eventually happens lol. **** I'd be surprise if we could get CJ's mid ass at this point lol.

You might be right.

And if that's the case, they are better served letting Ben sit out until his temper tantrum is over. 1 day, 1 month, 4 months, 4 years; whatever.

They won't be winning anything anyway.

[Negrodamus]

Jamal Murray's athleticism (which I don't think will be too affected by simply tearing his ACL) is not really his game, just an added bonus. He is one of the premiere shooters in the game and just put up a massive playoff performance during the quarantine playoffs. Given more responsibility, I believe he is a 30 ppg scorer with distribution skills. I just don't see why Denver would want to put Ben with Jokic when they are basically utilized the same on offense except Jokic being infinitely better. Then you have Aaron Gordon, a non-shooter, occupying similar spots in the half court at Ben.

None of it makes sense for Denver, but I'd instantly do that trade for us.

Any team that gets Ben will be forced to embrace his weaknesses and make the most of his strengths.
I think the Nuggets can sacrifice spacing in certain periods of matches, but in return balance their playing model, which now has only one good defender.
Other than Jokic, the only Simmons compatible centers that come to my mind are Towns, Vucevic and JJJ.
For example, a pair of Sabonis and Turner look better separately than together.

As for the decadent sentiment regarding Ben's value in such a deal. Murray is still recovering from injury, the Nuggets will sooner or later have to give up Jamal or Porter if they want to win something with Jokić. A team without d is incapable of this.
Even Nets have more opportunities in their own half of the court.
Why doesn't Morey showcase his talent as a trader again?

Calvin Booth will be on the hot seat starting next year if he does that trade. Ben will maintain the course while Jamal Murray will unlock next level scoring with Embiid and Nuggets fans will be pissed.

[mzfk69]

Jamal Murray's athleticism (which I don't think will be too affected by simply tearing his ACL) is not really his game, just an added bonus. He is one of the premiere shooters in the game and just put up a massive playoff performance during the quarantine playoffs. Given more responsibility, I believe he is a 30 ppg scorer with distribution skills. I just don't see why Denver would want to put Ben with Jokic when they are basically utilized the same on offense except Jokic being infinitely better. Then you have Aaron Gordon, a non-shooter, occupying similar spots in the half court at Ben.

None of it makes sense for Denver, but I'd instantly do that trade for us.

Any team that gets Ben will be forced to embrace his weaknesses and make the most of his strengths.
I think the Nuggets can sacrifice spacing in certain periods of matches, but in return balance their playing model, which now has only one good defender.
Other than Jokic, the only Simmons compatible centers that come to my mind are Towns, Vucevic and JJJ.
For example, a pair of Sabonis and Turner look better separately than together.

As for the decadent sentiment regarding Ben's value in such a deal. Murray is still recovering from injury, the Nuggets will sooner or later have to give up Jamal or Porter if they want to win something with Jokić. A team without d is incapable of this.
Even Nets have more opportunities in their own half of the court.
Why doesn't Morey showcase his talent as a trader again?

Calvin Booth will be on the hot seat starting next year if he does that trade. Ben will maintain the course while Jamal Murray will unlock next level scoring with Embiid and Nuggets fans will be pissed.

I believe that Simmons could shine next to a coach like Michael Malone, and the deal would be a win-win.
But perhaps Mik317 is right, and the packages are much more modest in negotiations.

[Sportfan73]

yall are nuts

Gimme this all star level shot maker for a guy who doesn't shoot, doesn't want to be here, and has died in the playoffs 3 times in a row.

Ingram is not on the table. Fox isn't on the table. Jamal Murray isn't on the table.

Why would those teams give up their best assets for Ben? Like even if they believe in him still and all that jazz...why even offer your best when you don't have to? The only way those deals happen is if those guys also aren't happy and want out....and guess what I highly doubt they want to come here and I highly doubt Ben is the best offer on the table.

Yall are setting yourselves up to be very mad when this deal eventually happens lol. **** I'd be surprise if we could get CJ's mid ass at this point lol.

You might be right.

And if that's the case, they are better served letting Ben sit out until his temper tantrum is over. 1 day, 1 month, 4 months, 4 years; whatever.

They won't be winning anything anyway.

If we sat him months and months no player would ever want to come here again

[76ciology]

Ok. Jamal Murray and 3 first round picks for Ben.

Healthy player > Injury risk

[Iverson Armband]

Ok. Jamal Murray and 3 first round picks for Ben.

Healthy player > Injury risk

Ben Simmons is clearly not mentally healthy (in a basketball sense) which I’d argue is a bigger risk.

[Negrodamus]

First day of Ben in Denver: "Hey Nikola, you see those assists? Those are my assists now."

[Zumramania]

Why would Denver trade Murray for Ben, even without the picks? They value him too much after that playoff performance and I do not see how would they get better with Ben. But for us also Murray would be too small of a return for Ben lol. Our only hope is a star who wants out.

[the_process]

yall are nuts

Gimme this all star level shot maker for a guy who doesn't shoot, doesn't want to be here, and has died in the playoffs 3 times in a row.

Ingram is not on the table. Fox isn't on the table. Jamal Murray isn't on the table.

Why would those teams give up their best assets for Ben? Like even if they believe in him still and all that jazz...why even offer your best when you don't have to? The only way those deals happen is if those guys also aren't happy and want out....and guess what I highly doubt they want to come here and I highly doubt Ben is the best offer on the table.

Yall are setting yourselves up to be very mad when this deal eventually happens lol. **** I'd be surprise if we could get CJ's mid ass at this point lol.

You might be right.

And if that's the case, they are better served letting Ben sit out until his temper tantrum is over. 1 day, 1 month, 4 months, 4 years; whatever.

They won't be winning anything anyway.

If we sat him months and months no player would ever want to come here again

Wouldn't be unreasonable if he wanted to fake an injury. Or have elective surgery? He sits and gets paid for the year, buys the Sixers time to see if anyone asks out.

[Arsenal]

yall are nuts

Gimme this all star level shot maker for a guy who doesn't shoot, doesn't want to be here, and has died in the playoffs 3 times in a row.

Ingram is not on the table. Fox isn't on the table. Jamal Murray isn't on the table.

Why would those teams give up their best assets for Ben? Like even if they believe in him still and all that jazz...why even offer your best when you don't have to? The only way those deals happen is if those guys also aren't happy and want out....and guess what I highly doubt they want to come here and I highly doubt Ben is the best offer on the table.

Yall are setting yourselves up to be very mad when this deal eventually happens lol. **** I'd be surprise if we could get CJ's mid ass at this point lol.

You might be right.

And if that's the case, they are better served letting Ben sit out until his temper tantrum is over. 1 day, 1 month, 4 months, 4 years; whatever.

They won't be winning anything anyway.

If we sat him months and months no player would ever want to come here again

LOL no. As long as the price is right it won't matter. Nobody cares about or respects the coward enough to influence their decisions.