Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition)

[SO_MONEY]

I think officially Philly refused to trade Simmons for Brogdon and a 1st or something like that. They are also very negative about getting McCollum for Ben and in both cases, especially the CJ I totally get why.
So, why they would accept an offer where the best asset would be McDaniels?

If that was the price, even with DLO in the mix a deal would have been made a long time ago.

Again, the key here is really to find that 3rd team where to send McDaniels (prospect) + picks and probably dump DLO (match salaries) to get that star to join Embiid in Philly.

1. I don't think Brogdon and a 1st was actually offered. It was a rumor put out by Philly to set value.

2. A lot has changed since then.

3. I don't think McDaniels or DLo will be included. So if you don't like packages with them, you clearly aren't going to like them without them.

[KGdaBom]

I think officially Philly refused to trade Simmons for Brogdon and a 1st or something like that. They are also very negative about getting McCollum for Ben and in both cases, especially the CJ I totally get why.
So, why they would accept an offer where the best asset would be McDaniels?

If that was the price, even with DLO in the mix a deal would have been made a long time ago.

Again, the key here is really to find that 3rd team where to send McDaniels (prospect) + picks and probably dump DLO (match salaries) to get that star to join Embiid in Philly.

Toronto would have been perfect but then Lowry decided to go to Miami.

Some would value Brogdon more than Simmons. I wouldn't be among them and Morey isn't among them either. To me a package of Beasley, Beverley, McDaniels and 3 FRPs (hopefully protected) is a better offer. I would guess that Morey would consider that a better offer too, but of course I'm only guessing.

[Baseline81]

If a person doesn't appreciate the players skills enough to pay for them they don't value him very much. That is simply logical. It has nothing to do with WHO I'm discussing the player with. It has to do with what we're discussing. Hopefully we're not arguing.

I've seen posts on other sites saying they'd include Edwards (plus picks) in a deal for Simmons. By your reasoning, you don't value Simmons very much.

[shangrila]

You people realise this kind of crap but is what got the last thread locked, right?

I mean, I don’t care. I’d rather ban all Simmons talk from the board anyway so flame away.

[KGdaBom]

If a person doesn't appreciate the players skills enough to pay for them they don't value him very much. That is simply logical. It has nothing to do with WHO I'm discussing the player with. It has to do with what we're discussing. Hopefully we're not arguing.

I've seen posts on other sites saying they'd include Edwards (plus picks) in a deal for Simmons. By your reasoning, you don't value Simmons very much.

Not compared to them correct. I value him more than you and they value him more than me. I consider myself slightly above middle ground on Simmons I consider you at least in the lower 25%.

Or it could be that they don't value Edwards as much as I do. I don't value McDaniels as much as many of the posters here do. To me he's a good asset and one that's needed to make a Simmons deal work. Some consider McDaniels more valuable than Simmons.

[Krapinsky]

I think officially Philly refused to trade Simmons for Brogdon and a 1st or something like that. They are also very negative about getting McCollum for Ben and in both cases, especially the CJ I totally get why.
So, why they would accept an offer where the best asset would be McDaniels?

If that was the price, even with DLO in the mix a deal would have been made a long time ago.

Again, the key here is really to find that 3rd team where to send McDaniels (prospect) + picks and probably dump DLO (match salaries) to get that star to join Embiid in Philly.

1. I don't think Brogdon and a 1st was actually offered. It was a rumor put out by Philly to set value.

2. A lot has changed since then.

3. I don't think McDaniels or DLo will be included. So if you don't like packages with them, you clearly aren't going to like them without them.

1. Do you have a source for that? Or are you debunking a report based on your own speculation? Honest question.

2. What has changed? I feel like nothing has changed.

[SO_MONEY]

I think officially Philly refused to trade Simmons for Brogdon and a 1st or something like that. They are also very negative about getting McCollum for Ben and in both cases, especially the CJ I totally get why.
So, why they would accept an offer where the best asset would be McDaniels?

If that was the price, even with DLO in the mix a deal would have been made a long time ago.

Again, the key here is really to find that 3rd team where to send McDaniels (prospect) + picks and probably dump DLO (match salaries) to get that star to join Embiid in Philly.

1. I don't think Brogdon and a 1st was actually offered. It was a rumor put out by Philly to set value.

2. A lot has changed since then.

3. I don't think McDaniels or DLo will be included. So if you don't like packages with them, you clearly aren't going to like them without them.

1. Do you have a source for that? Or are you debunking a report based on your own speculation? Honest question.

2. What has changed? I feel like nothing has changed.

1. "I think".

2. Everything has changed. Respectfully, have you been living under a rock.

[Wolveswin]

If a person doesn't appreciate the players skills enough to pay for them they don't value him very much. That is simply logical. It has nothing to do with WHO I'm discussing the player with. It has to do with what we're discussing. Hopefully we're not arguing.

I've seen posts on other sites saying they'd include Edwards (plus picks) in a deal for Simmons. By your reasoning, you don't value Simmons very much.

If Edwards plus picks was offered, this deal would be done already.

[Krapinsky]

1. I don't think Brogdon and a 1st was actually offered. It was a rumor put out by Philly to set value.

2. A lot has changed since then.

3. I don't think McDaniels or DLo will be included. So if you don't like packages with them, you clearly aren't going to like them without them.

1. Do you have a source for that? Or are you debunking a report based on your own speculation? Honest question.

2. What has changed? I feel like nothing has changed.

1. "I think".

2. Everything has changed. Respectfully, have you been living under a rock.

I literally have no idea what you are talking about. No one has played a game since the Brogdon trade was reported to be offered. Neither Indiana or Philadelphia have made any meaningful moves this summer. I guess Indiana did lose a SF in McDermott and a back up PG in Aaron Holiday, but other than that nothing has changed.

[Krapinsky]

10/1 Wolves-76ers trade

Beverly + Beasley + Layman + McDaniels + picks

for

Simmons + Milton

76ers wait to get Beverly who (1) gives them a replacement Point Guard that has played for Rivers before, and (2) gives them a defender to replace Simmons on that end.

Beasley gives them added scoring/shooting to stretch the floor for Embiid.

Layman + McDaniels + Picks gives them assets to trade for another player that can help them win now. Some ideas on that front.

1. Dillon Brooks/Kyle Anderson? (Memphis would surely like to move one of these guys, but not sure either gets the 76ers too excited)

2. Jerami Grant? (Detroit goes full rebuild/tank next year) (Philadelphia adds more outgoing salary)

3. Marcus Morris? (Clippers move an aging player to help replenish some assets)

4. Bodanovic? (Atlanta cleans up cap problems) (Philadelphia adds more outgoing salary)

[SO_MONEY]

1. Do you have a source for that? Or are you debunking a report based on your own speculation? Honest question.

2. What has changed? I feel like nothing has changed.

1. "I think".

2. Everything has changed. Respectfully, have you been living under a rock.

I literally have no idea what you are talking about. No one has played a game since the Brogdon trade was reported to be offered. Neither Indiana or Philadelphia have made any meaningful moves this summer. I guess Indiana did lose a SF in McDermott and a back up PG in Aaron Holiday, but other than that nothing has changed.

1. (2) wasn't in reference to Brogdon and a first per se. It had to do with the level of offer they would ultimately accept. The WHY.

2. Everything has changed since that rumor, please don't make me go into detail on this...it should be self-explanatory

[Krapinsky]

1. "I think".

2. Everything has changed. Respectfully, have you been living under a rock.

I literally have no idea what you are talking about. No one has played a game since the Brogdon trade was reported to be offered. Neither Indiana or Philadelphia have made any meaningful moves this summer. I guess Indiana did lose a SF in McDermott and a back up PG in Aaron Holiday, but other than that nothing has changed.

1. (2) wasn't in reference to Brogdon and a first per se. It had to do with the level of offer they would ultimately accept. The WHY.

2. Everything has changed since that rumor, please don't make me go into detail on this...it should be self-explanatory

Just more rampant speculation, i get it.

[Krapinsky]

10/1 Wolves-76ers trade

Beverly + Beasley + Layman + McDaniels + picks

for

Simmons + Milton

76ers wait to get Beverly who (1) gives them a replacement Point Guard that has played for Rivers before, and (2) gives them a defender to replace Simmons on that end.

Beasley gives them added scoring/shooting to stretch the floor for Embiid.

Layman + McDaniels + Picks gives them assets to trade for another player that can help them win now. Some ideas on that front.

1. Dillon Brooks/Kyle Anderson? (Memphis would surely like to move one of these guys, but not sure either gets the 76ers too excited)

2. Jerami Grant? (Detroit goes full rebuild/tank next year) (Philadelphia adds more outgoing salary)

3. Marcus Morris? (Clippers move an aging player to help replenish some assets)

4. Bodanovic? (Atlanta cleans up cap problems) (Philadelphia adds more outgoing salary)

Here's another alternative:

Simmons, Curry

for

Beverly, Beasley, Prince + picks.

Salary is almost perfect going in and out. I would think 76ers would have little use for Curry with Simmons gone and Beasley being an upgrade, so makes sense to expand the deal to include him.

[SO_MONEY]

I literally have no idea what you are talking about. No one has played a game since the Brogdon trade was reported to be offered. Neither Indiana or Philadelphia have made any meaningful moves this summer. I guess Indiana did lose a SF in McDermott and a back up PG in Aaron Holiday, but other than that nothing has changed.

1. (2) wasn't in reference to Brogdon and a first per se. It had to do with the level of offer they would ultimately accept. The WHY.

2. Everything has changed since that rumor, please don't make me go into detail on this...it should be self-explanatory

Just more rampant speculation, i get it.

It is an educated guess.

Maybe don't try and minimize my speculation, because that goes both ways. You are speculating that reporting is accurate and without agenda.

Your post was unnecessary.

[Note30]

The other issue at play in these high MIN poster offers is the idea that multiple other teams are offering high prices. Some people are so scared about getting outbid for Simmons that they’ll sell the farm, and mortgage the next farm too.

Why are these people so sure that there are these high offers out there for him? We don’t know much of anything since Morey heard Simmons refuses to play, and then Dame is also staying put. Do we have any evidence what any of these other offers are?

Simmons does not plan to play another game in PHI. Yes, Morey can just hold onto him, for four years if he wants. But he also wants the Sixers to compete, and if he doesn’t trade him for something, he’s put a $32 mil hole in his team’s production. If PHI is 8-10 going into December, how happy are PHI fans going to be? How happy will Embiid be?

I put out the question of what teams and offers from them exist in response to these really weird higher offers. No one would answer...

I think their offers are more a reflection of their personal perception of Simmons instead of the market.

Sexton, Rubio, and Osman plus picks could be a potential packages but I dont know if the Cavs would offer it, esp since they are big heavy.

It would be pretty equivalent of our package of Beasley, Bev/Prince, McDaniels plus picks.

San Antonio could offer Murray, Young, Vessell plus picks

Pretty similar to our package.

Thats two teams that we potentially maybe competing with.

[Note30]

10/1 Wolves-76ers trade

Beverly + Beasley + Layman + McDaniels + picks

for

Simmons + Milton

76ers wait to get Beverly who (1) gives them a replacement Point Guard that has played for Rivers before, and (2) gives them a defender to replace Simmons on that end.

Beasley gives them added scoring/shooting to stretch the floor for Embiid.

Layman + McDaniels + Picks gives them assets to trade for another player that can help them win now. Some ideas on that front.

1. Dillon Brooks/Kyle Anderson? (Memphis would surely like to move one of these guys, but not sure either gets the 76ers too excited)

2. Jerami Grant? (Detroit goes full rebuild/tank next year) (Philadelphia adds more outgoing salary)

3. Marcus Morris? (Clippers move an aging player to help replenish some assets)

4. Bodanovic? (Atlanta cleans up cap problems) (Philadelphia adds more outgoing salary)

Here's another alternative:

Simmons, Curry

for

Beverly, Beasley, Prince + picks.

Salary is almost perfect going in and out. I would think 76ers would have little use for Curry with Simmons gone and Beasley being an upgrade, so makes sense to expand the deal to include him.

I'd do that in a heartbeat. We'd have pretty weak depth, but meh.

[SO_MONEY]

The other issue at play in these high MIN poster offers is the idea that multiple other teams are offering high prices. Some people are so scared about getting outbid for Simmons that they’ll sell the farm, and mortgage the next farm too.

Why are these people so sure that there are these high offers out there for him? We don’t know much of anything since Morey heard Simmons refuses to play, and then Dame is also staying put. Do we have any evidence what any of these other offers are?

Simmons does not plan to play another game in PHI. Yes, Morey can just hold onto him, for four years if he wants. But he also wants the Sixers to compete, and if he doesn’t trade him for something, he’s put a $32 mil hole in his team’s production. If PHI is 8-10 going into December, how happy are PHI fans going to be? How happy will Embiid be?

I put out the question of what teams and offers from them exist in response to these really weird higher offers. No one would answer...

I think their offers are more a reflection of their personal perception of Simmons instead of the market.

Sexton, Rubio, and Osman plus picks could be a potential packages but I dont know if the Cavs would offer it, esp since they are big heavy.

It would be pretty equivalent of our package of Beasley, Bev/Prince, McDaniels plus picks.

San Antonio could offer Murray, Young, Vessell plus picks

Pretty similar to our package.

Thats two teams that we potentially maybe competing with.

I think Beasley, Naz, Prince/Beverly beats Sexton, Rubio, Osman fairly significantly. I think CLE is being used, as are many teams, as a stalking horse.

I do think the SAS are our competition as of now, to the point if they want him they could have him.

[Note30]

I put out the question of what teams and offers from them exist in response to these really weird higher offers. No one would answer...

I think their offers are more a reflection of their personal perception of Simmons instead of the market.

Sexton, Rubio, and Osman plus picks could be a potential packages but I dont know if the Cavs would offer it, esp since they are big heavy.

It would be pretty equivalent of our package of Beasley, Bev/Prince, McDaniels plus picks.

San Antonio could offer Murray, Young, Vessell plus picks

Pretty similar to our package.

Thats two teams that we potentially maybe competing with.

I think Beasley, Naz, Prince/Beverly beats Sexton, Rubio, Osman fairly significantly. I think CLE is being used, as are many teams, as a stalking horse.

I do think the SAS are our competition as of now, to the point if they want him they could have him.

I mean if you think that package gets it done, dope. I'm all on board.

Yeah the thing is I can't imagine Simmons is the piece they really want. Murray is already a poor man's Simmons, except he can shoot. So the question is would the Spurs who have spent two decades building around two way players suddenly change their minds and build around someone who has a huge deficiency in their game.

[Krapinsky]

1. (2) wasn't in reference to Brogdon and a first per se. It had to do with the level of offer they would ultimately accept. The WHY.

2. Everything has changed since that rumor, please don't make me go into detail on this...it should be self-explanatory

Just more rampant speculation, i get it.

It is an educated guess.

Maybe don't try and minimize my speculation, because that goes both ways. You are speculating that reporting is accurate and without agenda.

Your post was unnecessary.

I didn’t actually state a position contrary to yours.

[Klomp]

Gimme some Charles Bassey rights and I'll be more willing to throw in a McDaniels

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