Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants)

[exculpatory]

1. Your personal experience of n=1 means NOTHING. Zip. Nothing. Period.

2. You have been VERY LUCKY. Period.

3. Here is some truly valuable information just for you from the real deal, dude = ME, a **** Professor of Medicine who reads the original publications every **** day:

There is excellent data indicating that previously infected people (apparently including you) therefore with some degree of natural immunity benefit quite substantially by getting vaccinated afterwards. You are in a better place than the millions of never infected, unvaccinated dimwits - but could be in an even much better place.

4. Until Delta showed up, the vaccines dramatically decreased transmission. Highly infectious Delta appeared originally in India & is spreading like wild fire in the USA primarily because of the unvaccinated moron cohort. And we will continue to see even worse variants than Delta as long as we still have tens of millions of unvaccinated morons - transmission begets replication begets mutations begets variants.

Good luck!

[exculpatory]

Unfortunately, there are literally tens of millions of hopeless morons, conspiracy theorists etc in our country.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2784015

Outstanding article regarding safety of the vaccines just published in the prestigious JAMA.

WOW....such a lazy analysis of human beings that disagree with you. I could say the same thing about you, but I wouldn't because I'm not an ****. By the way, out of the covid unvaccinated population, one of the leading demographics are medical professionals, people with MBA's, and then African Americans.

Read the mother **** publication, genius.
And do not spout off about things you know NOTHING about.
And I do not know 1 of my colleagues who is currently unvaccinated - not 1.

[SuperDeluxe]

Unfortunately, there are literally tens of millions of hopeless morons, conspiracy theorists etc in our country.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2784015

Outstanding article regarding safety of the vaccines just published in the prestigious JAMA.

WOW....such a lazy analysis of human beings that disagree with you. I could say the same thing about you, but I wouldn't because I'm not an ****. By the way, out of the covid unvaccinated population, one of the leading demographics are medical professionals, people with MBA's, and then African Americans.

This is only partially true. I wish I had the link to show you, but I read so much stuff about this daily that I lose track of where I read what.

[SuperDeluxe]

No Thank you. I have antibodies/natural immunity. Since March 2020 I have traveled to Hawaii, DC, OKC, Austin, Houston, Mobile, Key West, Miami, Tampa, Orlando, Hoboken, MA, CT, and most recently Vegas. I have lived mask free except for on a plane, or for 2 seconds walking into a restaurant in NJ/MA/CT/Vegas for the optics of it all. I refuse to live in fear and there's nothing selfish about that. If Vaccines work so well, you are protected. And since we now know this vaccine helps in no way with transmission, at least it helps you fight off serious illness, correct? Either way, I wish you the best. You're right, this isn't going away just like the Flu & Common cold will never go away.....well, I take that back....the flu has seemingly gone away. But anyway, I digress. GO Celtics!

Please reconsider this for the health of everyone you interact with/love.

Vaccines work well, but work better when more people have them. I am low risk, but I care about people who can't get the vaccine for medical reasons, for people who can get the vaccine but are still high risk etc. You not being vaccinated risks those people's health unfortunately. And the vaccine reduces transmission because it results in less people getting infected in the first place. Additionally vaccines do help fight off serious illness, which means it reduces your "viral load" and makes it less likely to transmit.

The flu has "gone away" because of all the measures in place to reduce COVID. Which should show you a) how scary COVID is that it still persists and b) how important it is to get vaccinated.

Please though, speak with a medical professional about this. Not on one the internet, just call your primary care physician and discuss it with them. Go through your concerns and questions. There is nothing bad that can come from that.

You referenced how "America once stormed the beaches of Normandy" as an example of American greatness, but surely you must realize how laughable it is to invoke an event where so many Americans made the ultimate sacrifice in speaking about our current situation where people won't make even the smallest of sacrifices (masks/vaccines) to save lives.

COVID has killed exponentially more Americans than D-Day. Take it as your patriotic duty to do something about it and get vaccinated. Please speak with your doctor.

The flu has not gone away.

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[canman1971]

It's interesting that those who get the vaccination have science and the medical field as evidence. Those who don't believe in it have...........Still waiting.

[Curmudgeon]

Just because an unvaccinated person has "natural immunity" doesn't prevent transmission of covid from that asymptiomatic person to others who do not have "natural immunity." The refusal to vaccinate is unbelievably selfish. It's NOT ABOUT YOU. It's about the people around you.

[exculpatory]

Just because an unvaccinated person has "natural immunity" doesn't prevent transmission of covid from that asymptiomatic person to others who do not have "natural immunity." The refusal to vaccinate is unbelievably selfish. It's NOT ABOUT YOU. It's about the people around you.

Yup.

And, as I pointed out to this rocket scientist above, vaccination of the previously infected most definitely enhances their immune response to Covid & decreases the likelihood of a subsequent infection.

[djFan71]

No Thank you. I have antibodies/natural immunity. Since March 2020 I have traveled to Hawaii, DC, OKC, Austin, Houston, Mobile, Key West, Miami, Tampa, Orlando, Hoboken, MA, CT, and most recently Vegas. I have lived mask free except for on a plane, or for 2 seconds walking into a restaurant in NJ/MA/CT/Vegas for the optics of it all. I refuse to live in fear and there's nothing selfish about that. If Vaccines work so well, you are protected. And since we now know this vaccine helps in no way with transmission, at least it helps you fight off serious illness, correct? Either way, I wish you the best. You're right, this isn't going away just like the Flu & Common cold will never go away.....well, I take that back....the flu has seemingly gone away. But anyway, I digress. GO Celtics!

Please reconsider this for the health of everyone you interact with/love.

Vaccines work well, but work better when more people have them. I am low risk, but I care about people who can't get the vaccine for medical reasons, for people who can get the vaccine but are still high risk etc. You not being vaccinated risks those people's health unfortunately. And the vaccine reduces transmission because it results in less people getting infected in the first place. Additionally vaccines do help fight off serious illness, which means it reduces your "viral load" and makes it less likely to transmit.

The flu has "gone away" because of all the measures in place to reduce COVID. Which should show you a) how scary COVID is that it still persists and b) how important it is to get vaccinated.

Please though, speak with a medical professional about this. Not on one the internet, just call your primary care physician and discuss it with them. Go through your concerns and questions. There is nothing bad that can come from that.

You referenced how "America once stormed the beaches of Normandy" as an example of American greatness, but surely you must realize how laughable it is to invoke an event where so many Americans made the ultimate sacrifice in speaking about our current situation where people won't make even the smallest of sacrifices (masks/vaccines) to save lives.

COVID has killed exponentially more Americans than D-Day. Take it as your patriotic duty to do something about it and get vaccinated. Please speak with your doctor.

Great, great post.

[cheezone]

Bunch of soft arse brainwashed Karens just shut up and do as your told lol

[Tyakack]

Just because an unvaccinated person has "natural immunity" doesn't prevent transmission of covid from that asymptiomatic person to others who do not have "natural immunity." The refusal to vaccinate is unbelievably selfish. It's NOT ABOUT YOU. It's about the people around you.

Neither does being vaccinated lol. I'm not anti vax by the way. I'm anti forcing people to put a drug in their body their not comfortable with or don't want to put in their body for whatever reason. You can be mad and kick and scream and call people selfish all you want to.

[Green89]

It's very hard to find data in the media about breakthrough cases. I believe it is NBC Boston that continuously provides updates. A few days ago, they reported 1/3 of all state covid cases were among the vaccinated, and 29% of covid hospitalizations were vaccinated people. This is why I don't think it's wise that airlines and trains are only going to want negative tests from the unvaccinated. The vaccinated have it and spread it, too. It's not easy to find this data in other states.

[Curmudgeon]

It's very hard to find data in the media about breakthrough cases. I believe it is NBC Boston that continuously provides updates. A few days ago, they reported 1/3 of all state covid cases were among the vaccinated, and 29% of covid hospitalizations were vaccinated people. This is why I don't think it's wise that airlines and trains are only going to want negative tests from the unvaccinated. The vaccinated have it and spread it, too. It's not easy to find this data in other states.

I don't believe those numbers. The NYT has published data that suggests that fully vaccinated people (at least two shots of Moderna or Pfizer) have about a 1 in 1,000 chance of becoming infected.

As to "covid" hospitalizations, I'd like to know the ages of the people who were hospitalized and what underlying conditions (obeisity, diabetes, etc.) were also present.

[Bad-Thoma]

Bunch of soft arse brainwashed Karens just shut up and do as your told lol

That's some weak ass **** you're trying to troll with. It suggests to me that you are one of the following -

A- 5 years old
B- Dropped on your head when you were a baby
C- A 5 year old that was dropped on it's head when it was a baby
D- So redundantly stupid that I'm using "All of the above" as an option
E- Cat litter

[exculpatory]

Bunch of soft arse brainwashed Karens just shut up and do as your told lol

That's some weak ass **** you're trying to troll with. It suggests to me that you are one of the following -

A- 5 years old
B- Dropped on your head when you were a baby
C- A 5 year old that was dropped on it's head when it was a baby
D- So redundantly stupid that I'm using "All of the above" as an option
E- Cat litter

You made me laugh!

[exculpatory]

Bunch of soft arse brainwashed Karens just shut up and do as your told lol

That's some weak ass **** you're trying to troll with. It suggests to me that you are one of the following -

A- 5 years old
B- Dropped on your head when you were a baby
C- A 5 year old that was dropped on ITS head when it was a baby
D- So redundantly stupid that I'm using "All of the above" as an option
E- Cat litter

Jesus Christ, no unnecessary apostrophes!

[Bad-Thoma]

Bunch of soft arse brainwashed Karens just shut up and do as your told lol

That's some weak ass **** you're trying to troll with. It suggests to me that you are one of the following -

A- 5 years old
B- Dropped on your head when you were a baby
C- A 5 year old that was dropped on ITS head when it was a baby
D- So redundantly stupid that I'm using "All of the above" as an option
E- Cat litter

Jesus Christ, no unnecessary apostrophes!

Yes, yes, how will I ever live down a misused apostrophe?

[Parliament10]

Bunch of soft arse brainwashed Karens just shut up and do as your told lol

I already gave you an Unofficial Warning.
I'm making this one, an Official Warning.

Stay on the Subject. Don't attack other Posters.

~ Parl

[Parliament10]

It's very hard to find data in the media about breakthrough cases. I believe it is NBC Boston that continuously provides updates. A few days ago, they reported 1/3 of all state covid cases were among the vaccinated, and 29% of covid hospitalizations were vaccinated people. This is why I don't think it's wise that airlines and trains are only going to want negative tests from the unvaccinated. The vaccinated have it and spread it, too. It's not easy to find this data in other states.

There's no Proof here. Present some type of Link, or something.
Or just say that, this is your opinion. Don't present this as Factual.

[Parliament10]

Just because an unvaccinated person has "natural immunity" doesn't prevent transmission of covid from that asymptiomatic person to others who do not have "natural immunity." The refusal to vaccinate is unbelievably selfish. It's NOT ABOUT YOU. It's about the people around you.

Neither does being vaccinated lol. I'm not anti vax by the way. I'm anti forcing people to put a drug in their body their not comfortable with or don't want to put in their body for whatever reason. You can be mad and kick and scream and call people selfish all you want to.

There's a limit to "Rights".
People Do Not have the "Right" to scream, "Fire!!!" in a crowded theatre, when there is no real fire.

People don't have the "Right" to knowingly spread HIV, or Polio, or an infinite number of other diseases.
If your infection can kill other people, then I don't think that you have the "Right" to be non-vaccinated.

There is obviously some level here of reasonable dissension.
But IMO, Anti-vaxxers only valid argument, is that the Vaccines haven't been studied for umpteen years.

You just don't want to take it?
That's Not a Valid argument.

People are genuinely dying from this. It's a Pandemic. That's common knowledge.

[Parasite]

Just because an unvaccinated person has "natural immunity" doesn't prevent transmission of covid from that asymptiomatic person to others who do not have "natural immunity." The refusal to vaccinate is unbelievably selfish. It's NOT ABOUT YOU. It's about the people around you.

Neither does being vaccinated lol. I'm not anti vax by the way. I'm anti forcing people to put a drug in their body their not comfortable with or don't want to put in their body for whatever reason. You can be mad and kick and scream and call people selfish all you want to.

There's a limit to "Rights".
People Do Not have the "Right" to scream, "Fire!!!" in a crowded theatre, when there is no real fire.

People don't have the "Right" to knowingly spread HIV, or Polio, or an infinite number of other diseases.
If your infection can kill other people, then I don't think that you have the "Right" to be non-vaccinated.

There is obviously some level here of reasonable dicension.
But IMO, Anti-vaxxers only valid argument, is that the Vaccines haven't been studied for umpteen years.

You just don't want to take it?
That's Not a Valid argument.

People are genuinely dying from this. It's a Pandemic. That's common knowledge.

If the vaccine works so well why do the vaccinated care at all if others choose not to get it? Don’t give me any stupid answers about protecting others. You can still transmit covid even if you are vaccinated. And if the answer is because the vaccine doesn’t work so well then why are we trying to mandate it?

Quit being such authoritarian big Pharma pushers.