Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4

[Eyeamok]

My opinion is that if we dont get a good package for Ben we should take an off year. Let Ben sit(without pay) and we let Maxey and Thybulle play a lot so we can see what we have with these players. I know we will waste one year of Embiid´s prime, but we already signed him, so he´s locked for the long run.
We get a good pick and wait for a good package for Ben, and next year we get back at full force. Better than trade Ben for scraps.

Do you think the package(s) for Ben will be better if he sits ? I'd rather convince him somehow to play up until the All star break increase his value and then trade him. Convincing him to play is why Doc and Morey get paid the big dollars. I just throw out ideas.

[sodmoraes]

My opinion is that if we dont get a good package for Ben we should take an off year. Let Ben sit(without pay) and we let Maxey and Thybulle play a lot so we can see what we have with these players. I know we will waste one year of Embiid´s prime, but we already signed him, so he´s locked for the long run.
We get a good pick and wait for a good package for Ben, and next year we get back at full force. Better than trade Ben for scraps.

Do you think the package(s) for Ben will be better if he sits ? I'd rather convince him somehow to play up until the All star break increase his value and then trade him. Convincing him to play is why Doc and Morey get paid the big dollars. I just throw out ideas.

I think so. There´s always some desperate team mid season who may offer more for him. Your plan is good too, but i dont think Ben´s will help us one bit.

[the_process]

I dont know why Pels would consider trading Ingram.

If Pels is trading Ingram, its a package to get a top tier star like Dame or probably Beal, similar to what we’re looking for

So for an Alpha to take even more plays away from Zion.
That's fine if the Pels plan to go in that direction , or if you want to make Zion's camp happy you trade for current and future assets to compliment him.

Come on. We both know that’s a reach.

Zion would be ecstatic to play with Dame.

Maybe. But Dame would definitely NOT be ecstatic to go to New Orleans.

[Rastas]

Bens trade value is highest right now.
As soon as Camp starts and he is not there his value either stagnates or declines.
Reality check about desperate teams come the Trade Deadline - there are already desperate teams who want Ben right now, they all offering all they can realistically so do not expect any better offers - more likely expect worse offers after the way Morey has dealt with them so far.
I'm hoping they already have a deal and just waiting for a certain date for Player X to be allowed to be moved.

[Eyeamok]

My opinion is that if we dont get a good package for Ben we should take an off year. Let Ben sit(without pay) and we let Maxey and Thybulle play a lot so we can see what we have with these players. I know we will waste one year of Embiid´s prime, but we already signed him, so he´s locked for the long run.
We get a good pick and wait for a good package for Ben, and next year we get back at full force. Better than trade Ben for scraps.

Do you think the package(s) for Ben will be better if he sits ? I'd rather convince him somehow to play up until the All star break increase his value and then trade him. Convincing him to play is why Doc and Morey get paid the big dollars. I just throw out ideas.

I think so. There´s always some desperate team mid season who may offer more for him. Your plan is good too, but i dont think Ben´s will help us one bit.

Help us help himself. Not just from a better trade package for the 76ers, but a better image as a professional for himself.
And Ben may not be about improving his game but he is always about image.

[GutUNC]

Bens trade value is highest right now.
As soon as Camp starts and he is not there his value either stagnates or declines.
Reality check about desperate teams come the Trade Deadline - there are already desperate teams who want Ben right now, they all offering all they can realistically so do not expect any better offers - more likely expect worse offers after the way Morey has dealt with them so far.
I'm hoping they already have a deal and just waiting for a certain date for Player X to be allowed to be moved.

I disagree with basically every word of this, including whether Ben would actually sit out games if it came to that. His value will be stagnant unless/until he steps on the floor in which case it will start to go up (though certainly not where it was a year ago) if he performs the way he always has in the regular season.

[NinjaBro]

My opinion is that if we dont get a good package for Ben we should take an off year. Let Ben sit(without pay) and we let Maxey and Thybulle play a lot so we can see what we have with these players. I know we will waste one year of Embiid´s prime, but we already signed him, so he´s locked for the long run.
We get a good pick and wait for a good package for Ben, and next year we get back at full force. Better than trade Ben for scraps.

Letting Ben sit for a year without pay would be a very bad look to the rest of the league and potential free agents in the future, probably not the best road to take. I also don't know why you'd want to waste a year of Embiid's prime when you are this close to championship contention. When you have an mvp candidate like Embiid and a solid roster around him there's always a chance for a championship. Dame and CJ surrounded by a bunch of bums made it to the western conference finals in 2019-2020. I feel you guys are close.

You don't even need a home run trade like Beal or Dame either, both of whom already stated they don't want to trade. I would target a small market team like the Pacers. Imo a trade like Brogdan and Caris Levert + fillers makes you a much better team. Lots of firepower and spacing to maximize Embiid's skill set. A much more complete team imo, enough to beat the Bucks. A fully healthy Nets team, probably not no one is but anything can happen as we've seen this playoffs so you have to go for it.

[76ciology]

Maybe to you, he’s like your dad but Im 99 years old

Wait, 76ciology from Franklin High School, graduating class 1940? It's me, Stanford!

Oh Stanford, your dad was my classmate from Dr.Naismith’s sports ed class.

[fkd215]

Possibly dumb question, but... If Ben sits out and is fined, and if that money turns out to be significant, does it come off the salary cap?

[sodmoraes]

My opinion is that if we dont get a good package for Ben we should take an off year. Let Ben sit(without pay) and we let Maxey and Thybulle play a lot so we can see what we have with these players. I know we will waste one year of Embiid´s prime, but we already signed him, so he´s locked for the long run.
We get a good pick and wait for a good package for Ben, and next year we get back at full force. Better than trade Ben for scraps.

Letting Ben sit for a year without pay would be a very bad look to the rest of the league and potential free agents in the future, probably not the best road to take. I also don't know why you'd want to waste a year of Embiid's prime when you are this close to championship contention. When you have an mvp candidate like Embiid and a solid roster around him there's always a chance for a championship. Dame and CJ surrounded by a bunch of bums made it to the western conference finals in 2019-2020. I feel you guys are close.

You don't even need a home run trade like Beal or Dame either, both of whom already stated they don't want to trade. I would target a small market team like the Pacers. Imo a trade like Brogdan and Caris Levert + fillers makes you a much better team. Lots of firepower and spacing to maximize Embiid's skill set. A much more complete team imo, enough to beat the Bucks. A fully healthy Nets team, probably not no one is but anything can happen as we've seen this playoffs so you have to go for it.

We dont get great free agents anyways, so theres that... If we could trade Ben for Beal or Dame i agree with you that we could be close to a championship(but with nets and Lakers i dont think we gotta a chance), but Ben´s value is probably all time low now, so we dont get closer to a championship trading him for spare parts too. I dont think Brogdan/Levert moves the needle for us. He´s our only true relevant asset that can make a difference, so i think we gotta be patient. Maybe Ben change his mind and play next season and we can trade him for better players. Who knows, maybe he starts shooting just to spite us.

[76ciology]

if we can get a treasure chest of picks for Ben but wont be able to get a decent player in return. We can explore signing JWall for cheap. Sixers could be a team that could turn his career around.

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[thenbaman]

I can see something happening there.

[Sportfan73]

All of my hopes and prayers are on Lavine at this point and tbat situation blowing up. Simmons to Minnesota, Beverly and Lavine to Philly, Beasley, McDaniels, 3 picks, 3 swaps, shake(or any young player that’s not Maxey) to Chicago.

[thenbaman]

Wall avg. 21.0 points 7ast and 3boards for the rockets last year
couple of good years left would fit embiids time line.

[GoSixersBro]

All of my hopes and prayers are on Lavine at this point and tbat situation blowing up. Simmons to Minnesota, Beverly and Lavine to Philly, Beasley, McDaniels, 3 picks, 3 swaps, shake(or any young player that’s not Maxey) to Chicago.

Do you mean around the trade deadline?

[Sportfan73]

All of my hopes and prayers are on Lavine at this point and tbat situation blowing up. Simmons to Minnesota, Beverly and Lavine to Philly, Beasley, McDaniels, 3 picks, 3 swaps, shake(or any young player that’s not Maxey) to Chicago.

Do you mean around the trade deadline?

Anywhere from now til then. He’s expiring and has hinted they didn’t offer him a max extension. That’s my close watch

[GoSixersBro]

All of my hopes and prayers are on Lavine at this point and tbat situation blowing up. Simmons to Minnesota, Beverly and Lavine to Philly, Beasley, McDaniels, 3 picks, 3 swaps, shake(or any young player that’s not Maxey) to Chicago.

Do you mean around the trade deadline?

Anywhere from now til then. He’s expiring and has hinted they didn’t offer him a max extension. That’s my close watch

I was only asking because I highly doubt Chicago has any plans of trading their best player before the deadline approaches. For a franchise that I pictured would've tried to truly tank several seasons ago, they've seemed to reload and are pushing to be a treadmill squad. I like LaVine, but think their season would have to start catastrophically for them to entertain trading him for the haul you listed above.

[Stanford]

Wall would be a tasty addition.

[Sportfan73]

Do you mean around the trade deadline?

Anywhere from now til then. He’s expiring and has hinted they didn’t offer him a max extension. That’s my close watch

I was only asking because I highly doubt Chicago has any plans of trading their best player before the deadline approaches. For a franchise that I pictured would've tried to truly tank several seasons ago, they've seemed to reload and are pushing to be a treadmill squad. I like LaVine, but think their season would have to start catastrophically for them to entertain trading him for the haul you listed above.

I mean we could add 2 or 3 picks of our own. But if he’s walking after this year no matter what you never know. 4-5 firsts and 3 swaps for an expiring contract is like the best haul in the history of the nba for that precedent

[GoSixersBro]

I actually like John Wall, not long-term obviously, but I am surprised to see positive reactions to the possibility of him as a Sixer on this forum.

He won't help us as an outside threat, but damnit he won't be afraid to initiate contact and break down the opposing D.