Ballerhogger wrote:Wall for Hield and Harrison Barnes assuming its slow start for the kings?
Absolutely not. Wall on the Kings makes zero sense. I won’t even get into the valuation here, which seems to be lacking some serious draft compensation.
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Ballerhogger wrote:Wall for Hield and Harrison Barnes assuming its slow start for the kings?
Scoot McGroot wrote:Commodor wrote:They'll have to wait a while for trade restrictions to lift but maybe?
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine
HOU Out
Wood
Wall
LAC Out
Bledsoe
Kennard
Ibaka
Morris Sr.
LAC takes on Wall's contract and gets a more dynamic big. May need to add in more value.
HOU can waive Morris & Ibaka and see what they like in Bledsoe & Kennard.
Honestly I do not see how Wall could be moved just spit ballin.
Nah, that’s a pretty good spit ball, there. Even if that’s not the deal, that’s some good out of the box thinking.
jbk1234 wrote:...John Wall doesn't play a position of need for the Cavs, doesn't fill any of our present needs on offense, can't defend the position, isn't looking to give back any money, isn't as good as he thinks he is, is a locker room malcontent, plays the same position as our best player, wants to start, probably doesn't want to play for a rebuilding team, surely doesn't want to come off the bench for one, oh, and he's on the worst contract in the NBA...
Yenrallik1111 wrote:Texas Chuck wrote:Wall/House/Worse of 22 BKN/MIA 1st(top 14 protected)
for
Love/Rubio
Rockets then buyout Love who even if he gives no money back will cost them less than Wall.
Cavs use Wall as a backup PG for a year then buy him out next year while pocketing a first round pick for their troubles. And they gamble he's healthy and solid enough where he gives back $7 or $8M which means they bought that late first pretty cheaply.
But yeah its a buyout. But a Cavs swap of problems just makes too much sense since Wall can actually play a role and Rubio's money is right there to match.
this makes no sense. especially with love going the other way. wall on the cavs and love on the rockets?? this doesn't solve contractual issues for either team. both players do not help either team's current positions. add a 3rd team crazy enough to take both with delusional ideas of the duo actually helping.
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rpa wrote:I'll probably get slaughtered for this, but...
Wall (and something possibly substantial) for Tobias Harris. Harris maybe to a 3rd team here.
Gives the Sixers the lead guard they're craving while retaining Simmons. Would allow them to move Simmons for BPA (a wing?) instead of focusing on star guards (none of whom are available).
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You'd be an idiot to trust him because he hasn't internalized where he is at this point in his career. The only reason he'd agree is because he'd think he can prove he should start in front of Garland and Sexton, and when he doesn't, it won't be his fault. He doesn't think he should play behind KPJ and Green right now.tidho wrote:jbk1234 wrote:...John Wall doesn't play a position of need for the Cavs, doesn't fill any of our present needs on offense, can't defend the position, isn't looking to give back any money, isn't as good as he thinks he is, is a locker room malcontent, plays the same position as our best player, wants to start, probably doesn't want to play for a rebuilding team, surely doesn't want to come off the bench for one, oh, and he's on the worst contract in the NBA...
If all of this is true, then you don't do it. I think the team needs to talk to him about it before any trade offer to be sure.
If its Love and Rubio outbound then a 3rd guard is a position of need. He isn't a great defender but he's as capable as out other two guards. He may want to start and may prefer a better team but he probably also understands that opportunity may not be available at this point - there's very limited options if he wants to keep that money.
I don't think this is a huge get because it doesn't change the team's outlook a couple years from now when it counts, but if he's cooperative there's not much harm either.
Texas Chuck wrote:Problem is now Philly has traded their 2nd and 3rd best players for worse players(nobody is giving you a wing better than Simmons back). And you definitely need a 3rd team willing to give big assets for Tobias as Houston has no reason to. And I can't see a team giving big assets for Tobias.
Texas Chuck wrote:And you definitely need a 3rd team willing to give big assets for Tobias as Houston has no reason to. And I can't see a team giving big assets for Tobias.
rpa wrote:Texas Chuck wrote:Problem is now Philly has traded their 2nd and 3rd best players for worse players(nobody is giving you a wing better than Simmons back). And you definitely need a 3rd team willing to give big assets for Tobias as Houston has no reason to. And I can't see a team giving big assets for Tobias.
No one's giving them a better anything than Simmons back. Part of my point here is that if they're keeping Tobias, Simmons certainly has to go out for a guard and, well, there aren't many of those available. At least moving Tobi for the guard gives them flexibility on Simmons.Texas Chuck wrote:And you definitely need a 3rd team willing to give big assets for Tobias as Houston has no reason to. And I can't see a team giving big assets for Tobias.
I don't think you need big assets here. Houston's owner would probably be more than happy to jettison a good chunk of that awful deal (Wall's).
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K_chile22 wrote:Hmm. Tobias-Love-Wall base of a deal?
Obviously assets going to Philadelphia. I need to think on this more
Texas Chuck wrote:Your selling point to Philly was getting major assets back in a Wall/Tobias swap. Houston has no reason to give up anything good in that swap so a 3rd team would have to. I don't see it.
Ballerhogger wrote:K_chile22 wrote:Hmm. Tobias-Love-Wall base of a deal?
Obviously assets going to Philadelphia. I need to think on this more
If it involves love going to 76ers I guess????? And wall goes where ? Point being wall can’t go Cleveland
rpa wrote:Texas Chuck wrote:Your selling point to Philly was getting major assets back in a Wall/Tobias swap. Houston has no reason to give up anything good in that swap so a 3rd team would have to. I don't see it.
No it wasn't. I just said Houston would probably need to add something possibly substantial (lottery pick) to bridge the value, but that's not the selling point for Philly. The selling point to Philly is getting a lead guard (taking the chance that Wall recovers to something close to his old self while costing far less)--something they need--and adding flexibility to a future Simmons trade.
Houston's reasons (pending the return for Tobi--which would not be much) would be some combination of money savings, tanking, and 2023 cap space.
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K_chile22 wrote:Ballerhogger wrote:K_chile22 wrote:Hmm. Tobias-Love-Wall base of a deal?
Obviously assets going to Philadelphia. I need to think on this more
If it involves love going to 76ers I guess????? And wall goes where ? Point being wall can’t go Cleveland
Wall would go to philly, he's a better player than Love and at a position they need. Don't think there's anything there though. Doubt Cleveland would add their own first to upgrade from Love to Tobias. IMO Love is just cooked
Texas Chuck wrote:So if the selling point to Philly is not an asset, you are suggesting they just massively downgrade from Harris to Wall for positional flex? And I don't understand how Wall costs less?
I just don't get the appeal to Philly at all. Something has to be left out. Because it makes no sense to me to turn a good player like Harris into a worse player with some of the same issues that plague Simmons just so I can now trade Simmons for a guard or a forward.
I'm trying to understand this, but it just sounds like getting worse to me.
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bondom34 wrote:Harris is good though?
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