queridiculo wrote:Some seriously delusional thinking from both parties here.
Agreed. A sad state of affairs.
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queridiculo wrote:Some seriously delusional thinking from both parties here.
gambitx777 wrote:I'll say this again. While John walls contract is going to be very hard to move to a contender. To the right team it isn't, a team like OKC can afford to take some minor assets for the chance that wall rehabs value on a chunky one year deal that can be traded next summer. Now again Huston is in the same boat. So holding on to wall isn't terrible but they have no plans to rehab his value. OKC could with not a lot else at PG.
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MoneyTalks41890 wrote:gambitx777 wrote:I'll say this again. While John walls contract is going to be very hard to move to a contender. To the right team it isn't, a team like OKC can afford to take some minor assets for the chance that wall rehabs value on a chunky one year deal that can be traded next summer. Now again Huston is in the same boat. So holding on to wall isn't terrible but they have no plans to rehab his value. OKC could with not a lot else at PG.
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You can keep saying it but it’s still wrong. Selling 33m in space for picks is better than taking on 90m for minor assets. It’s just nonsensical.
GTR11 wrote:vege wrote:Either Houston add a couple lightly protected firsts (which they shouldn't) and take back an useless expire, or they will buy out Wall, there is no other option. No one is touching the player or the contract without a lot of compensation going their way.
Exactly. All this takes beyond laughable. Pot heads gave me a good laughter. There's only 2 ways Houston moving Wall:
• buyout
• attach few picks
We talking about player who couldn't stay healthy past four years on supermax contract. Aaron just signed 4 year 92, Wall will get that in 2 . He's not even better player.
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Saul Goodman wrote:Best i can think of is New Orleans getting Wall and Wood as they are both decent fits. December 15th.
Wood
Wall
House
for
Valanciunas
Josh Hart
Tomas Satoransky
Garrett Temple
protected 1st of some kind
Wall/Graham/Ingram/Zion/Wood has potential to make real noise in the west.
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Bentley1225 wrote:When you look at lack of trade/roster/exemption flexibility this late into off-season, the cap space eroding in 2022 and teams that have cap space dont want his services/aren't contending, it seems best Wall can do is either MLE or TPE much like Kemba Walker situation between OKC and Knicks this off-season. Based on that what does Wall give up in a buyout at this point?
It doesn't make any sense from his camps perspective to give up any money for this season and the team won't just pay him $44 million for this season without getting some value. He can stick around to help develop Kevin Porter as a informal coach. Next off-season will be a better time for a buyout. I suspect he'd give up more than $9 million against the $47 million cap hit for 2022-23.
I assume there will be a MLE based market for him in 2022 off-season from the likes of maybe the Mavs, Pacers and Pelicans. I still think there is a deal to be made with the Clippers which includes Bledsoe + Kennard + Ibaka.
Saul Goodman wrote:on second look I like Boston too.
Wall
Wood
House
for
Horford
Richardson
Dunn
Langford
Grant Williams
Wall/Brown/House/Tatum/Wood
Schroder/Smart/Parker/R.Williams
fills two holes in Wall as a lead playmaker feeding brown and tatum as well as a high level stretch big 3rd option in the Bosh mould.
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Texas Chuck wrote:I have Wall having more negative value than Wood has positive value. So much like when people freaked out about using Sexton to dump Love, I wonder why they don't realize Love is more negative than Sexton is positive with only one rookie year left.
So I don't see Houston getting positive value back dealing those as a package beyond just the obvious challenge of a team having enough matching salary they'd like to send out.
I think its much easier to deal Wood for value and then attach that value to try and turn Wall into expiring contracts or close to expiring contracts. Wood might have enough value to move just the final year, but even then I'm sketchy on that.
kobe_vs_jordan wrote:Texas Chuck wrote:I have Wall having more negative value than Wood has positive value. So much like when people freaked out about using Sexton to dump Love, I wonder why they don't realize Love is more negative than Sexton is positive with only one rookie year left.
So I don't see Houston getting positive value back dealing those as a package beyond just the obvious challenge of a team having enough matching salary they'd like to send out.
I think its much easier to deal Wood for value and then attach that value to try and turn Wall into expiring contracts or close to expiring contracts. Wood might have enough value to move just the final year, but even then I'm sketchy on that.
Sure but I don't think trade math is like real like math. A rebuilding team have little incentive to move off bad money like Love and Wall if it costing them Woods/Sexton. Might as well keep sexton/woods long term and just let the money expire in 2 seasons. Not like they going to be able to sign impact free agents anyways. Incentive has to be part of the math equation IMO.
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Magic_Johnny12 wrote:Orlando Out - Terrence Ross
Orlando In - Luke Kennard
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Magic_Johnny12 wrote:Orlando Out - Terrence Ross
Orlando In - Luke Kennard
LAC Out - Luke Kennard/Marcus Morris/Eric Bledsoe
LAC In - John Wall/Terrence Ross
HOU Out - John Wall
HOU In - Eric Bledsoe/Marcus Morris
Some minimal SRP's added somewhere.
Orlando finds a younger Ross replacement which can shoot.
Los Angeles upgrades positions and shaves years off of contracts.
Houston manages to move Wall without including any substantial value.
Seems it will work for all sides...maybe.
Xman wrote:I like the NO idea:
NO gets Wall, Wood, House
- Wood would be great outside slashing threat next to Zion and can provide D. Wall is old but would provide guidance.
SAC gets JVal, Temple, Hart
- Hart provides some D and JVall fills the center position. Gives SAC some balance.
HOU gets - Bagley, Sato, TThompson, (Maybe Temple of SAC does not want him), a pick from SAC (2022 top 12 protected 1st becomes 2nds).
- Hou gets expirings and a pick while unloading Wall. Losing Wood hurts a lot but this lets the team move forward.
HotelVitale wrote:Saul Goodman wrote:on second look I like Boston too.
Wall
Wood
House
for
Horford
Richardson
Dunn
Langford
Grant Williams
Wall/Brown/House/Tatum/Wood
Schroder/Smart/Parker/R.Williams
fills two holes in Wall as a lead playmaker feeding brown and tatum as well as a high level stretch big 3rd option in the Bosh mould.
Nah, you took out the positive value heading back to HOU and took away their motivation. They don't care about Wall's salary this year--they're already in full tank mode--and the extra cap space one year early for a tanking team isn't that valuable. Not valuable enough to lose Wood. You're also not just giving them expirings so they're still taking big cap hit with Horford/Richardson etc.
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