70sFan wrote:Well, first of all I do think that 7 additional games matter. To be honest, I thought the difference in games played was more than 10, I misremembered that.
For second, I'm not super impressed by Shaq's defense in 1998. On the other hand, was 1995 any better?
7 additional games matter, I'm not saying they don't. But 7 is not big enough to make them incomparable by default, and for whatever reason I thought you took the gap in games played numbers bigger than the reality. So, I wasn't off with that one I guess.
1995 Shaq was more interested in sending the ball to row D with his blocks. So, can't say 1995 was any better.
70sFan wrote:I'm extremely low on Shaq's defensive performance in 1999 to be honest. It might be his weakest defensive season of his prime. Lakers were absolutely horrible on that end and Shaq actually had negative defensive on/off.
On top of that, I was extremely disappointed when I watched Shaq's playoffs performance during that season. It's not about his scoring - he did better job against Twin Tower than almost anyone could - it's about his defense. He put up no effort on that end even when Lakers were losing close games.
From 1998 to 2005, 1999 is his 2nd weakest defensive after 2003. He was still a clear positive in D-RAPM but yeah, he wasn't putting much effort on defense. It was more obvious in the playoffs. His regular season wasn't great defensively but it was still fine. As you said though, his performance in the playoffs did not have enough effort.
I might dial back on 1999 because I took his season as a whole and missed regressed defensive effort from rs to ps.
70sFan wrote:Maybe I haven't seen enough games from that season or Lakers defensive numbers influence my mind a bit too much, but I can't see 1999 higher than 1998/2002/2003.
Oh, I'd still take 1999 over 2003 because his defensive effort was even worse in 2003. 2003 was also the season his personality caused a tangible trouble to his team. He didn't take care of his body, he was out of shape. He gradually got fatter after 2002 ring until his last season in LA. He was around 165-170 kg at the start of the season, he wasn't moving at all on defense.
70sFan wrote:Again, I could be wrong but I don't think 1999 is good enough defensively to be compared to 2002. Especially if you think that he was better offensively in 2002.
He was more refined in 2002, yes. But wasn't as active as for movement and playmaking volume.
Comparison in numbers;
1999; +7.5 obpm rs / 6.8 obpm ps & 2nd in rs+ps o-rapm with +5.93 (top 10% o-rapm average +3.24)
2002; +7.1 obpm rs / 6.3 obpm ps & 2nd in rs+ps o-rapm with +4.02 (top 10% o-rapm average +2.43)
Pretty comparable offensive seasons. 1999 vs. 2002 is basically down to defensive worries vs. durability worries.
70sFan wrote:Yes, I do have a problem with 1995 season. I probably overrate it a bit, but I don't like seasons with missed games. I'll have to think about it again, I'm already close of taking 1998 over 1995 (possibly 2003 as well). I do struggle with 1999 though.
I used to have seasons like 1986 Olajuwon, 1995 O'Neal, 1999 Duncan so high but I've changed my perception of these seasons after tracking them.
As I said, 1999 is quite tough to place because variance coming from durability issues is making so.
70sFan wrote:I am curious about your thoughts of Kareem list as well
I'll have a pretty identical list to yours. The only thing I might change is moving 1979 > 1980 order. I've always been high on Kareem's 1980 performance due to offensive versatility he brought.