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[HartfordWhalers]

Pass that good stuff you smoking.

And warning issued. You were literally told yesterday to not call people you disagree with potheads.

[Tomjas]

You have people who look at his premadana antics

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Since you seem obsessed with the word "premadana," you should probably know the word is "primadonna". Unless "premadana" is actually a different word that means serial killer about to serve life in prison although even then I have Simmons with more value than Kuzma.

Technically speaking
"Prima Donna" is two words, not one. I spelled it the way I did on purpose, because while the original term does infact represent Ben Simmons, that's not what I was going for with the spelling that I used. It was an obscure reference so I'm not surprised it went above some heads.

But let's get into the " who would you rather have" Kuz or Simmons. They are both around the same age. Simmons is obviously a better defender but Kuz isn't a bad defender, I'd say somewhere around average and definitely not a aweful. Kuz has a far better shot, as in it's not broken. His mentality is in a far better place than Ben, I'd event just flat out take Kuz offensively over Ben in my opinion. Kuz is far cheaper and more than likely will stop lbenon his next deal. So I won't argue Kuz is a "better player" but I'll keep Kuz over Simmons on the simple premise that he's less broken than Ben. I'll take a mint condition mustang over a Lambo that's been polished up after being wrecked a few times.

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Wtf are you talking about?

Simmons is infinitely better than Kuzma

Kuzma is a broken down 2001 Hyundai **** heap compared to Simmons

[BullyKing]

You have people who look at his premadana antics

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Since you seem obsessed with the word "premadana," you should probably know the word is "primadonna". Unless "premadana" is actually a different word that means serial killer about to serve life in prison although even then I have Simmons with more value than Kuzma.

Technically speaking
"Prima Donna" is two words, not one. I spelled it the way I did on purpose, because while the original term does infact represent Ben Simmons, that's not what I was going for with the spelling that I used. It was an obscure reference so I'm not surprised it went above some heads.

But let's get into the " who would you rather have" Kuz or Simmons. They are both around the same age. Simmons is obviously a better defender but Kuz isn't a bad defender, I'd say somewhere around average and definitely not a aweful. Kuz has a far better shot, as in it's not broken. His mentality is in a far better place than Ben, I'd event just flat out take Kuz offensively over Ben in my opinion. Kuz is far cheaper and more than likely will stop lbenon his next deal. So I won't argue Kuz is a "better player" but I'll keep Kuz over Simmons on the simple premise that he's less broken than Ben. I'll take a mint condition mustang over a Lambo that's been polished up after being wrecked a few times.

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By all means, enlighten me on this obscure reference and what it supposedly means.

I like how you just make this weird analogy as a way of defending the absurd take that Kuz is anywhere in the same realm of value as Simmons because there's no actual way to justify it. Here's an analogy for you since you seem to like them about Kuzma being less "broken" then Ben. I think a sheet of paper is more valuable than a mansion because the mansion has a lightbulb out. Sure the sheet of paper doesn't actually do anything but that just means its not broken! Infallible logic!

[cool93]

Sure... I'll take the sample size that's 5-7x as large though. The Blazers haven't had the luxury of feeding on barely playoff teams like teams do in the East.

You're taking much of the Blazers playoff record and performance out of context. 3 of the last 6 years the Blazers faced off against the Warriors... 1 of the last 6 years the Blazers faced off against the Lakers when they won the Championship. Pretty much all of Ben Simmon's playoff impact is wrapped up in series against a Miami team who's best player was Goran Dragic. A Brooklyn team who's best player was D'Angelo Russel, and a Wizard's team last year that was sporting a semi-washed Westbrook and Beal that was below .500 on the season.

Simmons was abysmal and a clear negative on the court against Boston. He was mediocre at best against Toronto. You can view the Atlanta series however you'd like, but I think he put up a historically abysmal showing. Ben Simmons has played fine against borderline playoff teams in the Eastern Conference... However, those teams are where he's buoying all his impact. It's not apples to apples.

You can use hard-hitting passionate words, but the numbers don't lie. The Boston series and the Raptors series are encompassed in those numbers, and truth be told he was just fine in both of them.

Dame and CJ haven't been able to do much of note when they have gotten lesser opposition. It took them 7 to scrape by a mediocre Spurs side. They got thrashed and emasculated by Jrue, Rondo and a non contender Pels team. They weren't the Houston Rockets led by Harden here who were unluckily peaking alongside one of the greatest teams in NBA history. The Blazers inability to have gimme series' is because they've never had a true contender in the Damian Lillard era.

The only time in the last 8 years the Blazers lost to the Spurs the Spurs won the championship. They have two bad losses in the last 6-7 years. The Pelicans, and this last year against the Nuggets.

I agree with you that Ben Simmons is a more impactful player, even if regular season metrics don't really bear it out. However, it's fairly simple to contextually pushback against the "overall" numbers when Simmons didn't have to play a bunch of postseason series against eventual NBA champions. In the last 6 playoffs the Blazers have played the Warriors 3 times and the Lakers once. Getting bent over a barrel by vastly superior teams is going to effect overall numbers pretty readily in a sample size as small as we're looking at here. You can look at the +/- numbers over the playoff game logs and while there's noise there, the reality becomes quite clear.

Ben beat up on teams like Miami, Brooklyn, and Washington. CJ beat up on teams like OKC, injured lob city, and Denver (3 years ago). The difference is that outside of the mediocre teams (and even those teams were superior to the 76ers first round opponents) the Blazers smashed their head against a generational dynasty and another NBA champion. While the 76ers were playing against Atlanta and a Kyrie-less, rookie Tatum Celtics.

Like I said, I agree with the premise that Simmons is better, but you can't just kick context out the window. The playoff competition that the two players have been facing hasn't quite been the same. I'd argue that the regular season metrics portray a MUCH more accurate measure of impact given the contextual limitations of comparing playoff impact between the two.

I would concede that regular season impact I would give a slight edge to Simmons.

Yeah, even if Simmons is just marginally better than CJ, he is still young and will be at least as good for a long time, while CJ is an undersize 30 years guard, he will decline pretty soon. That's why there is a huge difference in value here.

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[Godaddycurse]

Spurs trade Murray, Vassell, Young, 2022 1st, 2024 1st, 2023 swap
Spurs receive Simmons, Curry

Cavs trade: sexton
Cavs receive vassell

Sixers trade simmons, curry
Sixers receive murray, sexton, young, spurs picks

[jbk1234]

Spurs have all their picks & cap space

They need quality players not more of the above

I'm not a huge fan of the deal either, but my point is that the Spurs aren't going to sell Murray for picks. They'd sell Murray with a plan to acquire pieces to help their roster. I assume that means in a Simmons trade. But if it's going to be a smaller trade, then it has to bring back a player or players who can fill holes next to White. Prince doesn't do that, but ignoring everything else that goes into evaluating trade value, Hield has a chance to. Collecting picks and getting White a running-mate guard feels better than getting picks and an awful forward whose best quality is the fact that he isn't signed beyond this season.

What if OKC were cut out entirely and instead it was:

Minnesota trades: Malik Beasley, Jaden McDaniels, Taurean Prince, 2022 MIN 1st (1-10 protected, 1-4, unprotected), 2026 1st MIN (lottery protected, otherwise 2027 MIN 2nd)
Minnesota receives: Ben Simmons, [minimum player], [minimum player]
Minnesota gets a young star who fits perfectly w/Towns.

Philadelphia trades: Ben Simmons, [minimum player], [minimum player]
Philadelphia receives: Malik Beasley, Derrick White
Philadelphia turns Simmons into a backcourt with two 18-20ppg players, one of whom is still an elite defender, and the other of which can spam threes off of kickouts from Embiid.

San Antonio trades: Derrick White
San Antonio receives: Jaden McDaniels, Taurean Prince, 2022 MIN 1st (1-10 protected, 1-4, unprotected), 2026 1st MIN (lottery protected, otherwise 2027 MIN 2nd)
San Antonio moves White to get a nice prospect in the front-court plus a likely mid-first and a future pick.

Didn't the Spurs just explore the trade value for Murray and White ahead of the last draft? If it were this high, I have to imagine they'd be gone.

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[BullyKing]

Spurs trade Murray, Vassell, Young, 2022 1st, 2024 1st, 2023 swap
Spurs receive Simmons, Curry

Cavs trade: sexton
Cavs receive vassell

Sixers trade simmons, curry
Sixers receive murray, sexton, young, spurs picks

Interesting proposal. Does the math work on the Spurs end of the transaction? I don't think it actually does.

Also, do you view Curry as an important part of the trade for San Antonio? Ideally, I'd like to keep him obviously and if he's there as more or less salary ballast (though I think he is what makes the trade illegal for San Antonio), the Sixers could just do the trade with the Spurs without him and then trade Vassell immediately for Sexton (though I might personally stop after step 1) since there is no aggregation there.

[LAL1947]

Anybody got any trade ideas that bring Ben Simmons to Dallas? Without giving up Luka, if that needs to be said.

Best I can come up with Porzingis + Brunson + Burke + 2 lightly protected FRPs + 2 Swaps for Simmons + filler.

Followed up by trading Powell + Green for Kuzma... and signing Dragic to the $10.5m TPE (from trading J Rich to Boston) after Toronto buys him out @ $9m.

Dallas: Upgrade the starting 5 with the perfect secondary playmaker next to Luka. Get a PF and back-up PG.
1-5: Luka, THJ, DFS, Kuzma, Simmons
6-10: Dragic, Sterling, Bullock, Kleber, WCS
11-15: Ntilikina, ??, ??, Moses, Boban

Philly: Why? Cos other teams are low-balling them.
1-5: Maxey, Green, Harris, Porzingis, Embiid
6-10: Brunson, Curry, Thybulle, Niang, Drummond
11-15: Burke, Milton, Korkmaz, ??, ??

Wizards: If Kuzma isn't going to start ahead of Rui/Avdija, may as well turn him into less $ and a #14th pick.
1-5: Dinwiddie, Beal, Avdija, Hachimura, Gafford
6-10: Holiday, KCP, Bertans, Harrell, Powell
11-15: ??, Green, Kispert, ??, Bryant

Toronto: #freeGoranDragic

[Godaddycurse]

Spurs trade Murray, Vassell, Young, 2022 1st, 2024 1st, 2023 swap
Spurs receive Simmons, Curry

Cavs trade: sexton
Cavs receive vassell

Sixers trade simmons, curry
Sixers receive murray, sexton, young, spurs picks

Interesting proposal. Does the math work on the Spurs end of the transaction? I don't think it actually does.

Also, do you view Curry as an important part of the trade for San Antonio? Ideally, I'd like to keep him obviously and if he's there as more or less salary ballast (though I think he is what makes the trade illegal for San Antonio), the Sixers could just do the trade with the Spurs without him and then trade Vassell immediately for Sexton (though I might personally stop after step 1) since there is no aggregation there.

Murray +Young + Vassell makes 33.8M, Simmons + Curry makes 41.2M, so it should just fit. I guess technically he could be taken out..?

[shrink]

Well, it seems we are back to the Timberwolves being the only realistic destination, then.

They’ve said they don’t want give up dlo , towns and ant … so … that leave us with pat and Beasley for Simmons .wolves would send 1st rounder.

Technically, Rosas has said from the start that only Towns and Ant were “off the table.” In the next few days, several local reporters were asking him, “What about DLo?” Rosas didn’t say he was off the table, but said that he would want to pair him with Simmons. A later inside report said this was true, but if push came to shove, he’d send out Russell. (duh)

I am lower on both Russell and Simmons than the average trade board poster. However, I would say that considering both their strengths and their flaws, both have more value on each other’s teams. I am not saying PHI should consider Russell, and the rumor is that Morey doesn’t like him either, but I was surprised when someone recently tweeted this.

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[BullyKing]

Well, it seems we are back to the Timberwolves being the only realistic destination, then.

They’ve said they don’t want give up dlo , towns and ant … so … that leave us with pat and Beasley for Simmons .wolves would send 1st rounder.

Technically, Rosas has said from the start that only Towns and Ant were “off the table.” In the next few days, several local reporters were asking him, “What about DLo?” Rosas didn’t say he was off the table, but said that he would want to pair him with Simmons

Can you show me where Rosas said this because if he did, I'm pretty sure the league will have an issue with it.

[shrink]

Technically, Rosas has said from the start that only Towns and Ant were “off the table.” In the next few days, several local reporters were asking him, “What about DLo?” Rosas didn’t say he was off the table, but said that he would want to pair him with Simmons

Can you show me where Rosas said this because if he did, I'm pretty sure the league will have an issue with it.

I suppose it wasn’t that direct. It was choosing to answer a different question last month

According to Jon Krawczynski and Danny Leroux from The Athletic, The Timberwolves are likely to be with several players in the trading bloc, including the Philadelphia 76ers Guard. However, Minnesota has no plans to include D’Angelo Russell in any trading package.

The Timberwolves reportedly see Russell as a crucial part of their core and “want it to stay that way”.

At this point, they want Simmons, but don’t want to trade Russell. A trade would pair them.

We also have more information from a few days ago.

While discussing the Simmons situation with guest Brian Windhorst, Wolfson became the latest reporter to indicate that Wolves president Gersson Rosas has made All-Star big man Karl-Anthony Towns and fellow former No. 1 overall pick Anthony Edwards untouchable in trade talks.

“My understanding, Windy, is Gersson communicated with Daryl, maybe some others in the Philadelphia front office, ‘OK, KAT off the table. Anthony Edwards off the table, everybody else on the table,’” Wolfson said.

The “everybody else” part of that equation would seem to suggest that 2019 All-Star D’Angelo Russell may be obtainable. And, really, his inclusion in a trade for Simmons would make a lot of sense for Morey and company. Convincing the Wolves to part with Russell, though, could prove to be a daunting task.

“Like, in the same breath, my understanding is D’Angelo Russell, Ben Simmons — they have a relationship. They played together in high school — that Gersson would love to have D’Angelo combined with Ben here.”

So yeah, you got me. Rosas didn’t specifically say those words to the press and violate tampering rules. And no GM has specifically said he’d to the press he’d like to add Simmons - again, that’s tampering. But, to the best of my knowledge, that’s the situation we have in Minnesota, and I took the time to post because most MIN news doesn’t get out nationally, and I thought a few Trade Board posters might want to know.

[BullyKing]

Technically, Rosas has said from the start that only Towns and Ant were “off the table.” In the next few days, several local reporters were asking him, “What about DLo?” Rosas didn’t say he was off the table, but said that he would want to pair him with Simmons

Can you show me where Rosas said this because if he did, I'm pretty sure the league will have an issue with it.

I suppose it wasn’t that direct. It was choosing to answer a different question last month

According to Jon Krawczynski and Danny Leroux from The Athletic, The Timberwolves are likely to be with several players in the trading bloc, including the Philadelphia 76ers Guard. However, Minnesota has no plans to include D’Angelo Russell in any trading package.

The Timberwolves reportedly see Russell as a crucial part of their core and “want it to stay that way”.

At this point, they want Simmons, but don’t want to trade Russell. A trade would pair them.

We also have more information from a few days ago.

While discussing the Simmons situation with guest Brian Windhorst, Wolfson became the latest reporter to indicate that Wolves president Gersson Rosas has made All-Star big man Karl-Anthony Towns and fellow former No. 1 overall pick Anthony Edwards untouchable in trade talks.

“My understading, Windy, is Gersson communicated with Daryl, maybe some others in the Philadelphia front office, ‘OK, KAT off the table. Anthony Edwards off the table, everybody else on the table,’” Wolfson said.

The “everybody else” part of that equation would seem to suggest that 2019 All-Star D’Angelo Russell may be obtainable. And, really, his inclusion in a trade for Simmons would make a lot of sense for Morey and company. Convincing the Wolves to part with Russell, though, could prove to be a daunting task.

“Like, in the same breath, my understanding is D’Angelo Russell, Ben Simmons — they have a relationship. They played together in high school — that Gersson would love to have D’Angelo combined with Ben here.”

So yeah, you got me. Rosas didn’t specifically say those words to the press and violate tampering rules. And no GM has specifically said he’d to the press he’d like to add Simmons - again, that’s tampering. But, to the best of my knowledge, that’s the situation we have in Minnesota, and I took the time to post because most MIN news doesn’t get out nationally, and I thought a few Trade Board posters might want to know.

Yeah no worries, I just wanted to clarify. I don't actually find it difficult to believe that Minnesota's preference would be to use Beasley/Beverley/Prince as the salary filler rather than DLo.

[SNPA]

Here it is….

Philly gets - 3 Sac firsts (last with light protection), 2 Sac swaps, Davion Mitchell, Wall

Rockets get - Buddy, Bagley, Woodard, Damon Jones, Isiah Joe

Kings get - Simmons, Wood, Reed

This requires Philly to take Mitchell into a TE.

Philly gets a Point who will actual shoot (not great but his numbers the last several years make it so you have to guard him at least, Mitchell and the five Kings draft assets are to chase the next star wanting out that comes along.

Sac gets talent.

Rockets get off Wall, and get worse to increase their 22 pick, can highlight and eventually flip Buddy, take a flyer on Bags and a couple low level prospects.

[Crossova21]

Indiana trades: Brogdon, Warren, Sabonis, Holiday, Pacers 1st
Indiana receives: Simmons, Reed, Mitchell, Barnes, Sacramento 1st

Philly trades: Simmons, Reed
Philly receives: Brogdon, Warren, Pacers 1st

Sacramento trades: Mitchell, Barnes, Sacramento 1st
Sacramento receives: Sabonis, Holiday

Why for Indiana: trade two solid but injury-prone players to build an ELITE defense, although I'm not sure who will score the ball
Why for Philly: move on from Simmons, and adds two starters that can play with Embiid
Why for Sactown: Free up some space in backcourt, and add a legit all-star to to the front court


I understand the Pacers are gutting their team, but I'd LOVE to see them shut teams down every night.

Mitchell/McConnell
Levert/Duarte
Simmons/Lamb
Barnes/Brissett
Turner/Bitadze


On a serious note, I could see this with a Fox for Sabonis swap. As a Pacers fan, I'd hate to part with Sabonis and would much rather trade Turner.

[Godaddycurse]

Philadelphia trades: Simmons, Joe, Reed, Milton
Philadelphia receives: Wall, Bolmaro (into TPE?, MINN 2022/2024/2026 1sts, MINN 2023/2025 swap, SAC 2022 top 8 protected 1st, SAC 2024 lotto protected (x3 years) 1st

Houston trades: Wall, Wood
Houston receives: Thompson, Beverley, Prince, Joe, Reed

Sacramento trades: Thompson, SAC 2022 top 8 protected (becomes 2 seconds) 1st, SAC 2024 lotto protected (x3 years) 1st
Sacramento receives: Wood

Minnesota trades: Prince, Beverley, Bolmaro, 2022/2024/2026 1sts, 2023/2025 swap
Minnesota receives: Simmons, Milton

Why for Philly: get a stopgap PG (use as expiring next year), prospect, 5 picks and 2 swaps for simmons. Load up on ammo for next available star
Why for Houston: use wood to dump wall for expirings
Why for Sacramento: playoff push
Why for Minny: fulfill simmons dream

[Texas Chuck]

Terrible idea with Orlando starring as Windy's maybe imaginary mystery bidder:

Orlando trades: Isaac, Ross, 22 1st(top 1 then unp)
Orlando gets: Simmons

Philly trades: Simmons
Philly gets: Ingram

Pels trade: Ingram
Pels get: Isaac. Ross 22 ORL 1st

Pels realize Zion/BI doesn't really work and so gambles on Isaac but with the insurance of a likely high lotto pick from the Magic. Ross needed wing/shooting depth around Zion as well.

Philly sacrifices a bit of value but gets back a guy from the same draft class who won't ever be shy about shooting

Orlando takes the maybe of Isaac and one 1st and turns it into the definite of Simmons. Simmons/Suggs now gives them a real core to build upon for the first time since Howard.

[Godaddycurse]

Terrible idea with Orlando starring as Windy's maybe imaginary mystery bidder:

Orlando trades: Isaac, Ross, 22 1st(top 1 then unp)
Orlando gets: Simmons

Philly trades: Simmons
Philly gets: Ingram

Pels trade: Ingram
Pels get: Isaac. Ross 22 ORL 1st

Pels realize Zion/BI doesn't really work and so gambles on Isaac but with the insurance of a likely high lotto pick from the Magic. Ross needed wing/shooting depth around Zion as well.

Philly sacrifices a bit of value but gets back a guy from the same draft class who won't ever be shy about shooting

Orlando takes the maybe of Isaac and one 1st and turns it into the definite of Simmons. Simmons/Suggs now gives them a real core to build upon for the first time since Howard.

i think philly gets cut out here and orlando takes ingram for themselves

[the_process]

Spurs trade Murray, Vassell, Young, 2022 1st, 2024 1st, 2023 swap
Spurs receive Simmons, Curry

Cavs trade: sexton
Cavs receive vassell

Sixers trade simmons, curry
Sixers receive murray, sexton, young, spurs picks

I would cut the Cavs out, keep Curry, and pull the trigger on that deal right now.

[Godaddycurse]

Spurs trade Murray, Vassell, Young, 2022 1st, 2024 1st, 2023 swap
Spurs receive Simmons, Curry

Cavs trade: sexton
Cavs receive vassell

Sixers trade simmons, curry
Sixers receive murray, sexton, young, spurs picks

I would cut the Cavs out, keep Curry, and pull the trigger on that deal right now.

I think sixers need sexton to create in half court/take shots @ end of game