Should Lebron, Steph, and KD's rings be asterisk'd?

[infinite11285]

The sky is also blue. This added nothing to the conversation.

Neither does the purpose of this thread or your counterargument to everyone that disagrees with you.

You can add whatever asterisks you want to whatever you feel like it, but because others punch holes in your ridiculous logic you feel the need to adamantly argue and be rude?

You can feel how you want, but others don't have to agree with it.

Yes, and grass is green. all you're doing is saying "well thats how it is now" as if I ever said anything different. Im saying it shouldn't be that way for the reasons Ive stated. You dont challenge those reasons or defend the superteams. You just make empty statements like "well player collude now, thats how it is".

It's reality; get over it.

FA’s collude; get over it.

The NBA has also investigated allegations of systematic collusion and failed to find any instances of it; get over it.

You're failing to grasp the reality of all sports.

[loserX]

Out of curiosity, is there one specific way that one is allowed to win an NBA championship?

The way poster's favourite player's name here did it, and not the way poster's least favourite player's name here did it.

[Stalwart]

Out of curiosity, is there one specific way that one is allowed to win an NBA championship?

The way poster's favourite player's name here did it, and not the way poster's least favourite player's name here did it.

Steph is my favorite from the last 10 years, actually. But I gotta keep it real.

[NO-KG-AI]

You can tell what thre agenda was once he implied these guys should be asterisked, but Kawhi did it the right way.

[PistolPeteJR]

You don't get to just ignore intent because certain players got injured or didn't work out. Wade was a top 3 player when they joined up. Bosh was top 12. Love was a top 5 player statistically the year before joining Cavs. AD was top 5 before Lakers. If KD/Warriors had never won a title that FA move would still go down as super weak. It's the same with Lebron.

Also, teams building great teams is different from players conspiring with each other to build great teams. The second one is akin to merging of power between church and state. It's too much and reeks of unfair play which is why people don't like it.

"Top-5 statistically" lol. So was Kevin Martin at one point.
Bosh was not top-12. LeBron, Kobe, KD, Dirk, Melo, Wade, KG, Howard, CP3, D.Williams, Nash, Rondo, Duncan, P.Gasol, Roy, Parker, and others were definitely better.
AD was not top-5 in the league pre-LAL. LeBron, KD, Curry, Kawhi, Giannis, to name just five real quick, all ahead of him back then.

Bosh was top 15 and AD was arguably a top 5 player although not a lock. And lmao at brushing off Kevin Love and comparing him to Kevin Martin. Lol. You guys are too much sometimes.

Considering I just listed 16 players that were clearly better than Bosh back then and your rebuttal is simply, "Bosh was top-15", let alone your other "arguments", I'm done here. Bye!

[PistolPeteJR]

Game 2 Lebron was -7 which the cavs won.

Might want to check out +/- for game 6 in 12/13 finals since you are so fond using on-court plus/minus.



17/18 lakers 35-47
Lebron Joins
18/19 Lakers 37-45
Ad joins
19/20 lakers 52-19

So are we gonna argue that Ad carried a lottery team to a title?

Nah we're just gonna sweep significant injuries under the rug

What the 17 games Lebron missed?

LeBron wasn't the only player on that team logging significant minutes that missed games due to injury that season... but what do I know?

[Stalwart]

"Top-5 statistically" lol. So was Kevin Martin at one point.
Bosh was not top-12. LeBron, Kobe, KD, Dirk, Melo, Wade, KG, Howard, CP3, D.Williams, Nash, Rondo, Duncan, P.Gasol, Roy, Parker, and others were definitely better.
AD was not top-5 in the league pre-LAL. LeBron, KD, Curry, Kawhi, Giannis, to name just five real quick, all ahead of him back then.

Bosh was top 15 and AD was arguably a top 5 player although not a lock. And lmao at brushing off Kevin Love and comparing him to Kevin Martin. Lol. You guys are too much sometimes.

Considering I just listed 16 players that were clearly better than Bosh back then and your rebuttal is simply, "Bosh was top-15", let alone your other "arguments", I'm done here. Bye!

Ok, Bosh was arguably top 15. Thats the best I can do. But comparing Kevin Love's monster production to Kevin Martin is a terrible take. No way around it.

[Marrrcuss]

The All NBA appearances by guys that played with him:

Wade made it 2011 second team; 2012 and 2013 third team
AD Made it in 2020
Kyrie made 3rd team in 2015.

Love nor Bosh made it even one year. Bosh only made it one year for his career (2007). Love made it twice (2nd team) prior to Cleveland

#superteam

[twyzted]

Nah we're just gonna sweep significant injuries under the rug

What the 17 games Lebron missed?

LeBron wasn't the only player on that team logging significant minutes that missed games due to injury that season... but what do I know?

And were the lakers the only team to miss players due to injuries? There are couple of teams who made the playoffs with players missing 20+games that season.

Lonzo injured his ankle and was going to have surgery but the lakers didnt allow it he was supossed to miss 4-6 weeks but was shut down for the season in march.

[Marrrcuss]

What the 17 games Lebron missed?

LeBron wasn't the only player on that team logging significant minutes that missed games due to injury that season... but what do I know?

And were the lakers the only team to miss players due to injuries? There are couple of teams who made the playoffs with players missing 20+games that season.

Lonzo injured his ankle and was going to have surgery but the lakers didnt allow it he was supossed to miss 4-6 weeks but was shut down for the season in march.

Ingram had the lung issues, Rondo didnt play like 30 games. It was an injury plagued year. Maybe this aint the best example for you to go after.

[twyzted]

LeBron wasn't the only player on that team logging significant minutes that missed games due to injury that season... but what do I know?

And were the lakers the only team to miss players due to injuries? There are couple of teams who made the playoffs with players missing 20+games that season.

Lonzo injured his ankle and was going to have surgery but the lakers didnt allow it he was supossed to miss 4-6 weeks but was shut down for the season in march.

Ingram had the lung issues, Rondo didnt play like 30 games. It was an injury plagued year. Maybe this aint the best example for you to go after.

Yes but the lakers were not the only team to battle injuries that year. The other teams made the playoffs.
And no ingram didnt have lung issues.

[PistolPeteJR]

What the 17 games Lebron missed?

LeBron wasn't the only player on that team logging significant minutes that missed games due to injury that season... but what do I know?

And were the lakers the only team to miss players due to injuries? There are couple of teams who made the playoffs with players missing 20+games that season.

Lonzo injured his ankle and was going to have surgery but the lakers didnt allow it he was supossed to miss 4-6 weeks but was shut down for the season in march.

I'd love to hear what teams out West made the playoffs that season having suffered significant injuries to multiple starters of similar worth and impact to their teams throughout the season.

[mademan]

And were the lakers the only team to miss players due to injuries? There are couple of teams who made the playoffs with players missing 20+games that season.

Lonzo injured his ankle and was going to have surgery but the lakers didnt allow it he was supossed to miss 4-6 weeks but was shut down for the season in march.

Ingram had the lung issues, Rondo didnt play like 30 games. It was an injury plagued year. Maybe this aint the best example for you to go after.

Yes but the lakers were not the only team to battle injuries that year. The other teams made the playoffs.
And no ingram didnt have lung issues.

ya not a lot of teams make the playoffs with their 3 best players all missing 20+ games each. Especially when even their role players are missing plenty of games too. Dont know where youre getting this "plenty of teams make the playoffs in this scenario"...they really dont.

[dickfox]

You can argue Giannis won during the most injury superstar plagued playoffs ever and Kawhi didn't have to beat Steph Klay & KD together...

A chip is a chip is a chip is a chip... stop the nonsense

[Optms]

You can argue Giannis won during the most injury superstar plagued playoffs ever and Kawhi didn't have to beat Steph Klay & KD together...

A chip is a chip is a chip is a chip... stop the nonsense

Actually those 2 titles are legit asterisk worthy. Especially the Bucks title.

It's not even up for debate either. There has never been a year where all the top contending teams were decimated by injuries as they were this past season, especially the big 2, the Lakers and Nets. I've never seen anything like it. It was so bad that it adds legitimacy to the Raptors title now.

[Joker]

I think it's simple and comes down to this:

If superstars joining up to win rings as super teams continues to be a thing in the NBA, then guys like Lebron and KD won't get asterisks.

But if this trend fizzles out, then we'll look back at this era (i.e. 2010-2025) as anomalous and perhaps those rings will be pretty stigmatized.

[twyzted]

Ingram had the lung issues, Rondo didnt play like 30 games. It was an injury plagued year. Maybe this aint the best example for you to go after.

Yes but the lakers were not the only team to battle injuries that year. The other teams made the playoffs.
And no ingram didnt have lung issues.

ya not a lot of teams make the playoffs with their 3 best players all missing 20+ games each. Especially when even their role players are missing plenty of games too. Dont know where youre getting this "plenty of teams make the playoffs in this scenario"...they really dont.

Lebron missed 17 games played 21/25 games before shutting down on 31st of march.
Ingram missed 4 in beging of the season and 7 games in december then played 32 next games before being shut down on the 4th of march.
Ball got injured in january 19th was out until being shut down for the season on march 9th.

So the lakers had atleast 2 of them for 63 games. the lakers were 29/34 in those 63 games so they werent making the playoffs.

And ball wouldve been back if Lebron/fo didnt disrespect him by trying to trade him in the middle of the season.

Clippers made the playoff and they traded harris and bradley for picks and role players.

Rockets got 4th harden 78 gp, tucker 82gp.
Gordon missed 14 games.
Paul missed 25 games.
Capela missed 15 games.
Rivers played 47 games.

Raptors
Kawhi missed 22 games.
Lowry missed 17 games
Vanvleet missed 16 games.

Injuries happen.
And the massive disrepect to the lakers showed to ball, ingram, kuzma and hart killed the team and they mailed it in.

[twyzted]

LeBron wasn't the only player on that team logging significant minutes that missed games due to injury that season... but what do I know?

And were the lakers the only team to miss players due to injuries? There are couple of teams who made the playoffs with players missing 20+games that season.

Lonzo injured his ankle and was going to have surgery but the lakers didnt allow it he was supossed to miss 4-6 weeks but was shut down for the season in march.

I'd love to hear what teams out West made the playoffs that season having suffered significant injuries to multiple starters of similar worth and impact to their teams throughout the season.

You know where bbref and nba.com is. I dont have to prove anything to you.

[Jcity08]

You can argue Giannis won during the most injury superstar plagued playoffs ever and Kawhi didn't have to beat Steph Klay & KD together...

A chip is a chip is a chip is a chip... stop the nonsense

Actually those 2 titles are legit asterisk worthy. Especially the Bucks title.

It's not even up for debate either. There has never been a year where all the top contending teams were decimated by injuries as they were this past season, especially the big 2, the Lakers and Nets. I've never seen anything like it. It was so bad that it adds legitimacy to the Raptors title now.

[art_tatum]

"Top-5 statistically" lol. So was Kevin Martin at one point.
Bosh was not top-12. LeBron, Kobe, KD, Dirk, Melo, Wade, KG, Howard, CP3, D.Williams, Nash, Rondo, Duncan, P.Gasol, Roy, Parker, and others were definitely better.
AD was not top-5 in the league pre-LAL. LeBron, KD, Curry, Kawhi, Giannis, to name just five real quick, all ahead of him back then.

Bosh was top 15 and AD was arguably a top 5 player although not a lock. And lmao at brushing off Kevin Love and comparing him to Kevin Martin. Lol. You guys are too much sometimes.

Considering I just listed 16 players that were clearly better than Bosh back then and your rebuttal is simply, "Bosh was top-15", let alone your other "arguments", I'm done here. Bye!

Bosh was the cornerstone for the raptors, with that crappy team they made the playoffs twice, and barely missed 2 other times all before bosh was the age of 26- yes pre prime bosh. He was dropping 24points/10 rebounds his last two raptors years. He definitely was a top 10-15 player in 09-10 season. Pretty much 24/11 on 53% shooting and 36.4% from 3. Thats insanely good for a big man in that era.
How are you putting parker and rondo who werent even the 1st options, and on loaded teams ahead of bosh?