The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread

[Curmudgeon]

Why should he verify? Both statements could be 100% true. CSKA cut ties with Mike James and has no point guard. Alexy Shved and Daniel Hackett are both shooting guards. I wonder if Tremont Waters would enjoy playing in Russia.

Waters is not good enough for CSKA, that team is top 4 in Euroleague if not top 2, hence the interest in picking IT.

Waters is better than IT on defense and as a distributor. Who else is CSKA going to get?

[Bohemian]

Why should he verify? Both statements could be 100% true. CSKA cut ties with Mike James and has no point guard. Alexy Shved and Daniel Hackett are both shooting guards. I wonder if Tremont Waters would enjoy playing in Russia.

Waters is not good enough for CSKA, that team is top 4 in Euroleague if not top 2, hence the interest in picking IT.

Waters is better than IT on defense and as a distributor. Who else is CSKA going to get?

Oh, come on . Waters is not good at all. CSKA is a powerhouse.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Al Horford, Jabari Parker and Romeo Langford for John Wall and Usman Garuba.

If a Beal trade looks unlikely, can see Stevens kicking the tires on a Wall and Christian Wood trade.

[Curmudgeon]

The player I want is Garuba. Future all star who is locked up for peanuts over the next 4 years.

There are reports that The Celtics went after Jerami Grant yet again. Ainge tried but was rebuffed. Stevens reportedly tried again and also failed.

[cl2117]

Yeah if we could get Wall/Wood I'd be very interested, but it's gotta be a mid-season trade. Wall still has a lot to prove even after being ok last year, but you also gotta ride it out in case Beal becomes a real thing.

Wood I think is an amazing pairing for Timelord. I think they'd compliment each other amazingly. And if Wall is even half-way decent you've got a floor general that becomes a massive expiring in the summer.

Garuba is nice, but still super raw. We need guys who can really contribute already.

[Curmudgeon]

Garuba is ready to contribute. He was a starter for Real Madrid as a 19 year-old. Fantastic defender with a huge wing span. Plus he can handle and hit the corner three. People will see in a very short time how good he is, and then there will be no way Houston gives him up.

Plus if Wood is in the deal instead of Garuba, the Celtics would have to add more salary to make the deal work. You would be losing Smart or Richardson along with Horford.

[Larry_Russell]

Garuba is ready to contribute. He was a starter for Real Madrid as a 19 year-old. Fantastic defender with a huge wing span. Plus he can handle and hit the corner three. People will see in a very short time how good he is, and then there will be no way Houston gives him up.

Plus if Wood is in the deal instead of Garuba, the Celt1ics would have to add more salary to make the deal work. You would be losing Smart or Richardson along with Horford.

How do you propose to get garuba?

[cl2117]

Garuba is ready to contribute. He was a starter for Real Madrid as a 19 year-old. Fantastic defender with a huge wing span. Plus he can handle and hit the corner three. People will see in a very short time how good he is, and then there will be no way Houston gives him up.

Plus if Wood is in the deal instead of Garuba, the Celtics would have to add more salary to make the deal work. You would be losing Smart or Richardson along with Horford.

He played under 20 minutes and put up 5/5. He's a good prospect, but he's not ready to contribute to a playoff team in a meaningful way. Not like Wood can. And Wood's length/floor stretching would be devastating next to Timelord.

I'm fine with losing Horford/Richardson/Jauncho for Wall/Wood. Smart's versatility makes losing Richardson less of an issue. He can swing back to SG full time with Wall at PG and Schroder/PP behind.

Also wood just makes more sense. He's only got 2 years left and Houston aren't likely to be competing between now and then. Garuba fits better their timeline and Wood ours.

[Curmudgeon]

I believe that Garuba will be far better than Wood in two years and much cheaper.

[sully00]

I think Jabari Parker will be waived and someone will sign a 2-way.

Do you think we´ll leave an open roster spot for the season then? Interesting.

No. I think someone like Anthony Brown will be signed for the vet minimum to replace Parker. Players like Taj Gibson, with many years of service, would be too expensive. If it's not Anthony Brown, then some other guy from Europe or someone cut from training camp.

That isn't how minimum salaries work the team only pays the 1.6 mil, the same for any player in the league with 1 year of service the league pays the rest. Really doesn't matter if you have one year in the league or 10. The only savings is on rookie minimum deals.

Waiving Parker now doesn't make sense. The team has guaranteed $100,000 of his salary and everyone has kind of found a home. If he wasn't in the team's plans they would have waived him earlier in the offseason. This team is almost 7 mil over the lux tax at this point so they will be avoiding wasting money.

I think this is your roster going into the year with Brown, Kornet, and Morgan competing for the 2nd two way spot not that Hauser is really guaranteed anything.

[Curmudgeon]

Yes, but the league doesn't take the cap hit or pay the luxury tax.

[grindtime22]

Do you think we´ll leave an open roster spot for the season then? Interesting.

No. I think someone like Anthony Brown will be signed for the vet minimum to replace Parker. Players like Taj Gibson, with many years of service, would be too expensive. If it's not Anthony Brown, then some other guy from Europe or someone cut from training camp.

That isn't how minimum salaries work the team only pays the 1.6 mil, the same for any player in the league with 1 year of service the league pays the rest. Really doesn't matter if you have one year in the league or 10. The only savings is on rookie minimum deals.

Waiving Parker now doesn't make sense. The team has guaranteed $100,000 of his salary and everyone has kind of found a home. If he wasn't in the team's plans they would have waived him earlier in the offseason. This team is almost 7 mil over the lux tax at this point so they will be avoiding wasting money.

I think this is your roster going into the year with Brown, Kornet, and Morgan competing for the 2nd two way spot not that Hauser is really guaranteed anything.

Hypothetically, would that 100K guarantee prevent us from resigning him this year if he was waived (and cleared)? I know you can't resign somebody over the life of a waive and stretch.

[Curmudgeon]

Waiving Parker now doesn't make sense. The team has guaranteed $100,000 of his salary and everyone has kind of found a home. If he wasn't in the team's plans they would have waived him earlier in the offseason. This team is almost 7 mil over the lux tax at this point so they will be avoiding wasting money.

The Celtics are 6.8 million over the tax line according to Spotrac. Shedding Parker's 2.1 million lowers that to 4.7 million. For the first the first five million, it's $1.50 for each dollar. For each dollar from 5M to 9.9M it's $1.75.

So Parker costs the team 2.1M (the portion of his salary that becomes guaranteed if he is not waived before the start of training camp) plus an additional 3.45 million in luxury tax. Is that the way you want to spend your money for a guy who will be lucky to get 10 minutes a game as the number 4 power forward behind Tatum, Juancho and G. Williams? And with Fernando possibly earning minutes there too? If the Celtics were thin at Parker's position that would be one thing. But they are not.

The only reason for keeping Parker is that he might be useful salary ballast in a subsequent trade.

[Bohemian]

Waiving Parker now doesn't make sense. The team has guaranteed $100,000 of his salary and everyone has kind of found a home. If he wasn't in the team's plans they would have waived him earlier in the offseason. This team is almost 7 mil over the lux tax at this point so they will be avoiding wasting money.

The Celtics are 6.8 million over the tax line according to Spotrac. Shedding Parker's 2.1 million lowers that to 4.7 million. For the first the first five million, it's $1.50 for each dollar. For each dollar from 5M to 9.9M it's $1.75.

So Parker costs the team 2.1M (the portion of his salary that becomes guaranteed if he is not waived before the start of training camp) plus an additional 3.45 million in luxury tax. Is that the way you want to spend your money for a guy who will be lucky to get 10 minutes a game as the number 4 power forward behind Tatum, Juancho and G. Williams? And with Fernando possibly earning minutes there too? If the Celtics were thin at Parker's position that would be one thing. But they are not.

The only reason for keeping Parker is that he might be useful salary ballast in a subsequent trade.

Trader Brad is too quiet, just saying

[Hal14]

Waiving Parker now doesn't make sense. The team has guaranteed $100,000 of his salary and everyone has kind of found a home. If he wasn't in the team's plans they would have waived him earlier in the offseason. This team is almost 7 mil over the lux tax at this point so they will be avoiding wasting money.

The Celtics are 6.8 million over the tax line according to Spotrac. Shedding Parker's 2.1 million lowers that to 4.7 million. For the first the first five million, it's $1.50 for each dollar. For each dollar from 5M to 9.9M it's $1.75.

So Parker costs the team 2.1M (the portion of his salary that becomes guaranteed if he is not waived before the start of training camp) plus an additional 3.45 million in luxury tax. Is that the way you want to spend your money for a guy who will be lucky to get 10 minutes a game as the number 4 power forward behind Tatum, Juancho and G. Williams? And with Fernando possibly earning minutes there too? If the Celtics were thin at Parker's position that would be one thing. But they are not.

The only reason for keeping Parker is that he might be useful salary ballast in a subsequent trade.

Parker has no trade value. Sacramento tried desperately to trade him last year but no one wanted him so they waived him and we picked him up.

He did nothing in Boston to raise his trade value.

Let me get this straight. Parker's contract is for $2,283,034 according to this https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/jabari-parker-15354/

Of that, $100,000 has already been guaranteed.

$2,283,034 - $100,000 = $2,183,034

So remaining amount we'd have to pay him if we keep him is $2,183,034

But the veteran minimum is $1.6 mil. So we would actually be saving $583,034 ($2,183,034 - $1,600,000) if we waive parker and give the 15th roster spot to someone like Anthony Brown or Juwan Morgan.

Also, remember that the tax is not calculated until the end of the season. So even if that $583K savings doesn't get us into the lower tax bracket today, it is a decent savings and combined with another move later in the season can help get us to a lower tax bracket.

Pressure is on Parker at training camp to show why he deserves a roster spot, especially since financially it makes more sense to give that last roster spot to a $1.6 mil guy..

[GoCeltics123]

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I love that they emphasized the 69 games part

[Hal14]

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I love that they emphasized the 69 games part

Yes. The games played incentive was awesome.

I kind of think it may have been better to have an incentive for 2nd team all defense and a higher incentive for 1st team all defense.

Gobert has another 2-3 yrs at least where it'll be tough for another center to take that spot from him. Plus there's Adebayo. But Rob could have a shot at 2nd team - especially since they sometimes put more than 1 center on a particular all nba or all defense team..

[Curmudgeon]

Parker has no trade value. Sacramento tried desperately to trade him last year but no one wanted him so they waived him and we picked him up.

He has value as expiring ballast, that's all. It might be needed for salary matching purposes. You send him along together with enough cash to cover what he is owed through the end of the year.

Makes no sense to keep him to let the 2.1M become guaranteed. You can't even stretch him because the drop dead date for that has passed.

[sully00]

Yes, but the league doesn't take the cap hit or pay the luxury tax.

Yes they do there is no increase cap hit or or lux tax. So Parker for example makes $2.28 mil but his salary against the cap, the lux tax or in a trade is $1.6 mil.

What is interesting is that the real savings is to get a veteran player like Brown or Kornet to take the 2 way deal, as they get $500,000 and can play up to 50 games but do not count against the salary cap or tax at all.

[Shak_Celts]

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I love that they emphasized the 69 games part

Yes. The games played incentive was awesome.

I kind of think it may have been better to have an incentive for 2nd team all defense and a higher incentive for 1st team all defense.

Gobert has another 2-3 yrs at least where it'll be tough for another center to take that spot from him. Plus there's Adebayo. But Rob could have a shot at 2nd team - especially since they sometimes put more than 1 center on a particular all nba or all defense team..

I dunno, the way it looks to me is either he hasn't been doing what they ask to help keep himself healthy or he isn't playing through minor injuries they think he could. Really if his injuries or playing through them isn't under his control then why have these incentives? Smart had weight incentives in his last contract, that was something he could control, but injuries? I don't get it.