Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition)

[Calinks]

As everyone has said the Sixers completely botched this. They needed to keep supporting Simmons and make him feel like part of the team, it would have been a lot easier to trade him if they kept up appearances and he was playing like normal. Look at what we did with Wiggins, that's how you do it. You try to get the most out of him as a player, you build him up, you talk about his strengths and then poof, you deal him when you find a trade you like.

That said think Morey is doing the best he can right now. He CAN"T afford to mess this up. He needs to get a player that helps them win a championship. The Embiid window is open now and they need to capitalize. He should sit on Ben for at least this season to try and get something that can help them win a title.

Getting picks/young players will not cut it unless the team is playing at a championship level without Ben already somehow. Ben is probably willing to eat the fines early but it may be a problem later in the season. NBA players are rich, true but a lot of them also have some really expensive lifestyles and if Ben isn't very shrewd with his money, missing checks/getting penalties may hurt.

If Ben badly wants to be traded it is also in his best interest to play IMO. Maybe not right now but if the season starts and he is still on the Sixers, him playing, and playing well, will elevate his value.

Right now Morey is more right than wrong IMO. He needs to wait. Teams goals and beliefs chance every month in the NBA. It is entirely possible that a team with a player he covets will be willing to move that player for Simmons. It really doesn't benefit him to take a bad deal now that will get him fired in a year or two and hurt the Sixers chances at winning a title. That would be the worst move at this point.

[Baseline81]

As everyone has said the Sixers completely botched this. They needed to keep supporting Simmons and make him feel like part of the team, it would have been a lot easier to trade him if they kept up appearances and he was playing like normal. Look at what we did with Wiggins, that's how you do it. You try to get the most out of him as a player, you build him up, you talk about his strengths and then poof, you deal him when you find a trade you like.

That said think Morey is doing the best he can right now. He CAN"T afford to mess this up. He needs to get a player that helps them win a championship. The Embiid window is open now and they need to capitalize. He should sit on Ben for at least this season to try and get something that can help them win a title.

Getting picks/young players will not cut it unless the team is playing at a championship level without Ben already somehow. Ben is probably willing to eat the fines early but it may be a problem later in the season. NBA players are rich, true but a lot of them also have some really expensive lifestyles and if Ben isn't very shrewd with his money, missing checks/getting penalties may hurt.

If Ben badly wants to be traded it is also in his best interest to play IMO. Maybe not right now but if the season starts and he is still on the Sixers, him playing, and playing well, will elevate his value.

Right now Morey is more right than wrong IMO. He needs to wait. Teams goals and beliefs chance every month in the NBA. It is entirely possible that a team with a player he covets will be willing to move that player for Simmons. It really doesn't benefit him to take a bad deal now that will get him fired in a year or two and hurt the Sixers chances at winning a title. That would be the worst move at this point.

Struggling with the underline.

If the window is now, with Embiid, at age 27, in his prime, why would Morey simply sit on Simmons' $33M for a year?

There's no guarantee, even if Simmons returns, that he doesn't pull a Butler and play a game here, then sit two (all the while distracting the team). He may feign an injury or not give full effort. Suitors might increase, but Simmons' value, IMO, will not.

[KGdaBom]

I have mentioned before punting on Simmons and looking at someone else via all-in-win-now trade. Isaac for one. Who else is out there?

Re: Isaac, he would need to prove healthy. He would still come with injury risk even if back playing games. Magic also match up better with what Wolves have to offer (picks, youth and expiring filler) as a team that doesn’t have a Embiid and is in rebuild mode.

Which roster is better?

A) (also minus multiple 1sts)!
Towns
Simmons
Prince (no McDaniels, needed for Simmons)
Edwards
Russell

B) (also minis multiple 1sts, but less required than Simmons trade)!
Towns
‘Healthy’ Isaac
McDaniels (withheld in Isaac trade)
Edwards (trade possible Beasley retained too?)
Russell

I would prefer team A because team B is a unicorn.

[SO_MONEY]

As everyone has said the Sixers completely botched this. They needed to keep supporting Simmons and make him feel like part of the team, it would have been a lot easier to trade him if they kept up appearances and he was playing like normal. Look at what we did with Wiggins, that's how you do it. You try to get the most out of him as a player, you build him up, you talk about his strengths and then poof, you deal him when you find a trade you like.

That said think Morey is doing the best he can right now. He CAN"T afford to mess this up. He needs to get a player that helps them win a championship. The Embiid window is open now and they need to capitalize. He should sit on Ben for at least this season to try and get something that can help them win a title.

Getting picks/young players will not cut it unless the team is playing at a championship level without Ben already somehow. Ben is probably willing to eat the fines early but it may be a problem later in the season. NBA players are rich, true but a lot of them also have some really expensive lifestyles and if Ben isn't very shrewd with his money, missing checks/getting penalties may hurt.

If Ben badly wants to be traded it is also in his best interest to play IMO. Maybe not right now but if the season starts and he is still on the Sixers, him playing, and playing well, will elevate his value.

Right now Morey is more right than wrong IMO. He needs to wait. Teams goals and beliefs chance every month in the NBA. It is entirely possible that a team with a player he covets will be willing to move that player for Simmons. It really doesn't benefit him to take a bad deal now that will get him fired in a year or two and hurt the Sixers chances at winning a title. That would be the worst move at this point.

I don't agree with much of this.

What Morey wants is pretty irrelevant now, getting what he wants isn't happening. Simmons playing isn't what is best for him, if he values getting traded more than money. And like another poster brought up, he would just "fake" an injury or have some modest touch-up surgery to avoid playing anyways...if he gets sick of fines

[Klomp]

As everyone has said the Sixers completely botched this. They needed to keep supporting Simmons and make him feel like part of the team, it would have been a lot easier to trade him if they kept up appearances and he was playing like normal. Look at what we did with Wiggins, that's how you do it. You try to get the most out of him as a player, you build him up, you talk about his strengths and then poof, you deal him when you find a trade you like.

That said think Morey is doing the best he can right now. He CAN"T afford to mess this up. He needs to get a player that helps them win a championship. The Embiid window is open now and they need to capitalize. He should sit on Ben for at least this season to try and get something that can help them win a title.

Getting picks/young players will not cut it unless the team is playing at a championship level without Ben already somehow. Ben is probably willing to eat the fines early but it may be a problem later in the season. NBA players are rich, true but a lot of them also have some really expensive lifestyles and if Ben isn't very shrewd with his money, missing checks/getting penalties may hurt.

If Ben badly wants to be traded it is also in his best interest to play IMO. Maybe not right now but if the season starts and he is still on the Sixers, him playing, and playing well, will elevate his value.

Right now Morey is more right than wrong IMO. He needs to wait. Teams goals and beliefs chance every month in the NBA. It is entirely possible that a team with a player he covets will be willing to move that player for Simmons. It really doesn't benefit him to take a bad deal now that will get him fired in a year or two and hurt the Sixers chances at winning a title. That would be the worst move at this point.

Struggling with the underline.

If the window is now, with Embiid, at age 27, in his prime, why would Morey simply sit on Simmons' $33M for a year?

There's no guarantee, even if Simmons returns, that he doesn't pull a Butler and play a game here, then sit two (all the while distracting the team). He may feign an injury or not give full effort. Suitors might increase, but Simmons' value, IMO, will not.

What could change is another team's prized asset wanting out. A Lillard, a Beal, etc. Trading Simmons now closes that window for acquiring a star addition wanting out.

[jpatrick]

As everyone has said the Sixers completely botched this. They needed to keep supporting Simmons and make him feel like part of the team, it would have been a lot easier to trade him if they kept up appearances and he was playing like normal. Look at what we did with Wiggins, that's how you do it. You try to get the most out of him as a player, you build him up, you talk about his strengths and then poof, you deal him when you find a trade you like.

That said think Morey is doing the best he can right now. He CAN"T afford to mess this up. He needs to get a player that helps them win a championship. The Embiid window is open now and they need to capitalize. He should sit on Ben for at least this season to try and get something that can help them win a title.

Getting picks/young players will not cut it unless the team is playing at a championship level without Ben already somehow. Ben is probably willing to eat the fines early but it may be a problem later in the season. NBA players are rich, true but a lot of them also have some really expensive lifestyles and if Ben isn't very shrewd with his money, missing checks/getting penalties may hurt.

If Ben badly wants to be traded it is also in his best interest to play IMO. Maybe not right now but if the season starts and he is still on the Sixers, him playing, and playing well, will elevate his value.

Right now Morey is more right than wrong IMO. He needs to wait. Teams goals and beliefs chance every month in the NBA. It is entirely possible that a team with a player he covets will be willing to move that player for Simmons. It really doesn't benefit him to take a bad deal now that will get him fired in a year or two and hurt the Sixers chances at winning a title. That would be the worst move at this point.

Struggling with the underline.

If the window is now, with Embiid, at age 27, in his prime, why would Morey simply sit on Simmons' $33M for a year?

There's no guarantee, even if Simmons returns, that he doesn't pull a Butler and play a game here, then sit two (all the while distracting the team). He may feign an injury or not give full effort. Suitors might increase, but Simmons' value, IMO, will not.

What could change is another team's prized asset wanting out. A Lillard, a Beal, etc. Trading Simmons now closes that window for acquiring a star addition wanting out.

I could not disagree with this statement more. Any team trading a star like that is committing to a full rebuild. They will not want a max contract guy just good enough to ensure they don’t get a top 7-8 pick back in the deal like Simmons. They are going to want rookie scale guys, salary relief, and tons of picks.

The only two teams that didn’t want that in return for trading a star (us and Spurs) turned out very poorly. Conversely, teams like OKC and New Orleans got young players, high draft picks, and still have a loaded war chest of picks at their disposal.

I’d argue getting our picks and someone like McDaniels makes Philly much more likely to acquire a Lillard/Beal if one becomes available.

Let’s put it this way, if we are the 12th seed at the deadline, no way is ownership going to let Rosas trade an unprotected pick(s), where he may have now. If the season doesn’t go well in the first half, I’d be surprised if they let Rosas do anything and just wanted status quo until he was fired in the offseason. Philly can’t just count on a team at the deadline stepping forward as the third team to give up a ton of picks/young players in a star deal.

[Klomp]

Struggling with the underline.

If the window is now, with Embiid, at age 27, in his prime, why would Morey simply sit on Simmons' $33M for a year?

There's no guarantee, even if Simmons returns, that he doesn't pull a Butler and play a game here, then sit two (all the while distracting the team). He may feign an injury or not give full effort. Suitors might increase, but Simmons' value, IMO, will not.

What could change is another team's prized asset wanting out. A Lillard, a Beal, etc. Trading Simmons now closes that window for acquiring a star addition wanting out.

I could not disagree with this statement more. Any team trading a star like that is committing to a full rebuild. They will not want a max contract guy just good enough to ensure they don’t get a top 7-8 pick back in the deal like Simmons. They are going to want rookie scale guys, salary relief, and tons of picks.

The only two teams that didn’t want that in return for trading a star (us and Spurs) turned out very poorly. Conversely, teams like OKC and New Orleans got young players, high draft picks, and still have a loaded war chest of picks at their disposal.

I’d argue getting our picks and someone like McDaniels makes Philly much more likely to acquire a Lillard/Beal if one becomes available.

Let’s put it this way, if we are the 12th seed at the deadline, no way is ownership going to let Rosas trade an unprotected pick(s), where he may have now. If the season doesn’t go well in the first half, I’d be surprised if they let Rosas do anything and just wanted status quo until he was fired in the offseason. Philly can’t just count on a team at the deadline stepping forward as the third team to give up a ton of picks/young players in a star deal.

I'm not talking about what the other team wants. I'm talking about what Philadelphia wants. They want a star.

[shrink]

Embiid is also not the healthiest player in the world. He has missed entire seasons early in his career, he’s never played more than 64 games, and the last two years he played 51. “Just wait” is not going to be appealing.

Looks at it this way. Simmons represents $31.6 mil worth of Sixers production, and every game they go getting zero production for that money is tougher on the team, and tougher on Embiid. I know the goal is to win a ring, but there is certainly pressure here every day for Morey to not miss out.

I also agree that Simmons trade value decreases every day he sits out. A GM’s job is to get the most production/wins for the money he has. Which GM wants to trade a ton for a guy that won’t live up to his contract?

[Nick K]

As everyone has said the Sixers completely botched this. They needed to keep supporting Simmons and make him feel like part of the team, it would have been a lot easier to trade him if they kept up appearances and he was playing like normal. Look at what we did with Wiggins, that's how you do it. You try to get the most out of him as a player, you build him up, you talk about his strengths and then poof, you deal him when you find a trade you like.

That said think Morey is doing the best he can right now. He CAN"T afford to mess this up. He needs to get a player that helps them win a championship. The Embiid window is open now and they need to capitalize. He should sit on Ben for at least this season to try and get something that can help them win a title.

Getting picks/young players will not cut it unless the team is playing at a championship level without Ben already somehow. Ben is probably willing to eat the fines early but it may be a problem later in the season. NBA players are rich, true but a lot of them also have some really expensive lifestyles and if Ben isn't very shrewd with his money, missing checks/getting penalties may hurt.

If Ben badly wants to be traded it is also in his best interest to play IMO. Maybe not right now but if the season starts and he is still on the Sixers, him playing, and playing well, will elevate his value.

Right now Morey is more right than wrong IMO. He needs to wait. Teams goals and beliefs chance every month in the NBA. It is entirely possible that a team with a player he covets will be willing to move that player for Simmons. It really doesn't benefit him to take a bad deal now that will get him fired in a year or two and hurt the Sixers chances at winning a title. That would be the worst move at this point.

Nope! This is more than money for Simmons. It's personal. He wants out. They can only fine him so much according to the player association and he will have received half his yearly salary by Oct 1. I don't buy the lifestyle argument in this case. Philly is in one helluva tough spot. It can only get worse.

Your argument about him playing well to increase his value doesn't make sense because teams already know how good he is. And how good he isn't.

[SO_MONEY]

As everyone has said the Sixers completely botched this. They needed to keep supporting Simmons and make him feel like part of the team, it would have been a lot easier to trade him if they kept up appearances and he was playing like normal. Look at what we did with Wiggins, that's how you do it. You try to get the most out of him as a player, you build him up, you talk about his strengths and then poof, you deal him when you find a trade you like.

That said think Morey is doing the best he can right now. He CAN"T afford to mess this up. He needs to get a player that helps them win a championship. The Embiid window is open now and they need to capitalize. He should sit on Ben for at least this season to try and get something that can help them win a title.

Getting picks/young players will not cut it unless the team is playing at a championship level without Ben already somehow. Ben is probably willing to eat the fines early but it may be a problem later in the season. NBA players are rich, true but a lot of them also have some really expensive lifestyles and if Ben isn't very shrewd with his money, missing checks/getting penalties may hurt.

If Ben badly wants to be traded it is also in his best interest to play IMO. Maybe not right now but if the season starts and he is still on the Sixers, him playing, and playing well, will elevate his value.

Right now Morey is more right than wrong IMO. He needs to wait. Teams goals and beliefs chance every month in the NBA. It is entirely possible that a team with a player he covets will be willing to move that player for Simmons. It really doesn't benefit him to take a bad deal now that will get him fired in a year or two and hurt the Sixers chances at winning a title. That would be the worst move at this point.

Struggling with the underline.

If the window is now, with Embiid, at age 27, in his prime, why would Morey simply sit on Simmons' $33M for a year?

There's no guarantee, even if Simmons returns, that he doesn't pull a Butler and play a game here, then sit two (all the while distracting the team). He may feign an injury or not give full effort. Suitors might increase, but Simmons' value, IMO, will not.

What could change is another team's prized asset wanting out. A Lillard, a Beal, etc. Trading Simmons now closes that window for acquiring a star addition wanting out.

Okay?

But that assumes they want Simmons and/or that other teams wouldn't outbid Philly. If they can't trade for a star, which is the likeliest of outcomes, then what?

[DeBouillon]

I'm certainly no Philly Phan, but speaking from a fan base that has experienced this it sucks when a superstar wants out from your team. So I do understand their frustration. I don't know what the answer is besides biting the bullet and just no paying a guy that refuses to play. The players have had such an upper hand in this BS.

[Calinks]

A contending team could still want Simmons and still have a better player to offer Philly than us or current offers.

What if the Lakers decide to move on from AD or Lebron? The Heat punt on Lowry or Butler? Boston decides Simmons is a missing piece and they are willing to trade a Tatum or Brown? Brooklyn has some crazy issues and one of Harden, Kyrie, or Durant has to go?

It doesn't have to strictly be a rebuilding team that trades for Ben. The Sixers have a mess on their hands but I don't think them taking a bad deal (for their current window/goals) fixes it. We will see how it plays out but the way I see it, Simmons isn't getting moved soon unless its a win now deal for Philly. If its just picks and assets, they don't make the trade unless they feel they can strongly flip those assets for a win now player in the next year or so.

They are trying to find a way to win within the next 1-5 years, which means getting in a star player now or a player who is very close to breaking out into stardom. That's how I see it. Unless a deal like that happens Simmons isn't going anywhere to start the season.

[SO_MONEY]

A contending team could still want Simmons and still have a better player to offer Philly than us or current offers.

What if the Lakers decide to move on from AD or Lebron? The Heat punt on Lowry or Butler? Boston decides Simmons is a missing piece and they are willing to trade a Tatum or Brown? Brooklyn has some crazy issues and one of Harden, Kyrie, or Durant has to go?

It doesn't have to strictly be a rebuilding team that trades for Ben. The Sixers have a mess on their hands but I don't think them taking a bad deal (for their current window/goals) fixes it. We will see how it plays out but the way I see it, Simmons isn't getting moved soon unless its a win now deal for Philly. If its just picks and assets, they don't make the trade unless they feel they can strongly flip those assets for a win now player in the next year or so.

They are trying to find a way to win within the next 1-5 years, which means getting in a star player now or a player who is very close to breaking out into stardom. That's how I see it. Unless a deal like that happens Simmons isn't going anywhere to start the season.

I am hearing a bunch of "what if's"...

It doesn't address if those teams would want Simmons or that other teams offers might be better if players they like become available.

Philly has backed themselves into a corner.

Your answer seems to be keeping Simmons indefinitely and somehow his value will magically improve...then despite all the working parts, count on getting a star player later... while ignoring all the damage done reputationally long-term.

Honestly, that doesn't sound like a good idea.

I think more realistically, Morey and his bosses are going to have to live with what they did, the lack of interest and probably a sub-par or less than perfect package. No idea when that happens, if that happens (I guess...), but suspect it does and after it does hard questions will need to be answered and people held accountable.

[old school 34]

I'm certainly no Philly Phan, but speaking from a fan base that has experienced this it sucks when a superstar wants out from your team. So I do understand their frustration. I don't know what the answer is besides biting the bullet and just no paying a guy that refuses to play. The players have had such an upper hand in this BS.

Yeah, the players have the leverage here & when maximized to the fullest extent can really suck for said team. But teams also fully maximize their rfa controls to the point that a lot of mid-role player types really quit squeezed (that gets a lot less PR because who they are), but it clearly goes both ways.

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[old school 34]

A contending team could still want Simmons and still have a better player to offer Philly than us or current offers.

What if the Lakers decide to move on from AD or Lebron? The Heat punt on Lowry or Butler? Boston decides Simmons is a missing piece and they are willing to trade a Tatum or Brown? Brooklyn has some crazy issues and one of Harden, Kyrie, or Durant has to go?

It doesn't have to strictly be a rebuilding team that trades for Ben. The Sixers have a mess on their hands but I don't think them taking a bad deal (for their current window/goals) fixes it. We will see how it plays out but the way I see it, Simmons isn't getting moved soon unless its a win now deal for Philly. If its just picks and assets, they don't make the trade unless they feel they can strongly flip those assets for a win now player in the next year or so.

They are trying to find a way to win within the next 1-5 years, which means getting in a star player now or a player who is very close to breaking out into stardom. That's how I see it. Unless a deal like that happens Simmons isn't going anywhere to start the season.

I am hearing a bunch of "what if's"...

It doesn't address if those teams would want Simmons or that other teams offers might be better if players they like become available.

Philly has backed themselves into a corner.

Your answer seems to be keeping Simmons indefinitely and somehow his value will magically improve...then despite all the working parts, count on getting a star player later... while ignoring all the damage done reputationally long-term.

Honestly, that doesn't sound like a good idea.

I think more realistically, Morey and his bosses are going to have to live with what they did, the lack of interest and probably a sub-par or less than perfect package. No idea when that happens, if that happens (I guess...), but suspect it does and after it does hard questions will need to be answered and people held accountable.

Morey is already past the point of return....so he let's it ride into the season & prays that a Beal or Dame change course early. If that doesn't happen it will need to be a Thibs-like intervention where someone steps in...cause Morey knows by now...he takes anything less than a star...he's lost his job. He could of survived maybe if he acted earlier & blamed it all on Ben forcing his hand & he just had to make the best of it....but that storyline may have already sailed by?

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[SO_MONEY]

A contending team could still want Simmons and still have a better player to offer Philly than us or current offers.

What if the Lakers decide to move on from AD or Lebron? The Heat punt on Lowry or Butler? Boston decides Simmons is a missing piece and they are willing to trade a Tatum or Brown? Brooklyn has some crazy issues and one of Harden, Kyrie, or Durant has to go?

It doesn't have to strictly be a rebuilding team that trades for Ben. The Sixers have a mess on their hands but I don't think them taking a bad deal (for their current window/goals) fixes it. We will see how it plays out but the way I see it, Simmons isn't getting moved soon unless its a win now deal for Philly. If its just picks and assets, they don't make the trade unless they feel they can strongly flip those assets for a win now player in the next year or so.

They are trying to find a way to win within the next 1-5 years, which means getting in a star player now or a player who is very close to breaking out into stardom. That's how I see it. Unless a deal like that happens Simmons isn't going anywhere to start the season.

I am hearing a bunch of "what if's"...

It doesn't address if those teams would want Simmons or that other teams offers might be better if players they like become available.

Philly has backed themselves into a corner.

Your answer seems to be keeping Simmons indefinitely and somehow his value will magically improve...then despite all the working parts, count on getting a star player later... while ignoring all the damage done reputationally long-term.

Honestly, that doesn't sound like a good idea.

I think more realistically, Morey and his bosses are going to have to live with what they did, the lack of interest and probably a sub-par or less than perfect package. No idea when that happens, if that happens (I guess...), but suspect it does and after it does hard questions will need to be answered and people held accountable.

Morey is already past the point of return....so he let's it ride into the season & prays that a Beal or Dame change course early. If that doesn't happen it will need to be a Thibs-like intervention where someone steps in...cause Morey knows by now...he takes anything less than a star...he's lost his job. He could of survived maybe if he acted earlier & blamed it all on Ben forcing his hand & he just had to make the best of it....but that storyline may have already sailed by?

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Again, this line of thinking is predicted on a star becoming available AND Philadelphia providing the best offer, which would include Simmons. That is a lot of moving parts you are counting on to break just right. I think Morey should be fired over just how bad he handled this. I think the only reason you let him finish this is you need a scapegoat.

[Calinks]

I get that it is a crap spot to be in. I also agree that Philly messed up big time here. It's just how I think this will play out, there are deals Morey can take that I think are still solid, like if he could manage to get Beasley and Dlo from us (don't know if we are offering that), that's a decent return IMO for what Philly needs. That could make them a better team today.

I think until he at least gets a deal on that level, that has a chance of making them better quickly, he won't pull the trigger. It is definitely a lot of "What ifs" but I think right now those what ifs are more attractive than making a deal that gets Morey fired after a disappointing season and hurts the Sixers chances at winning a title in the near future.

It will be interesting to see how this ultimately plays out for real.

[TaylorTag]

At this point, I think we should be IDing the star players the 76ers would be willing to give up Simmons for in a three-way trade because at this point I just don’t think Rosas gamble paid off.

Mind you Rosas’ put up very little for a potentially big reward so it’s nothing to be ashamed of but I don’t think Beasley, Beverley and McDaniels plus picks is going to do it and if that’s the case I think the only way this happens is if Rosas finds a star that is available on a third team that would value draft picks and assets like Beasley, Bolmaro and McDaniels in return..

In other words, if you want to game out a Simmons trade, think you should be trying to figure out who is the best player that Beasley, McDaniels and 4 FRPs get you.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

Yea. Pass if it’s 4 FRPs. That’ll cripple us. Especially for a guy who doesn’t know what arm to shoot with.


I think Im almost ready to roll with what we’ve got.

4 players capable of scoring 20+ a night

A solid bench with a serious veteran presence and a solid back up center


Wish we had one more defensive big or something.

[Calinks]

Yea. Pass if it’s 4 FRPs. That’ll cripple us. Especially for a guy who doesn’t know what arm to shoot with.


I think Im almost ready to roll with what we’ve got.

4 players capable of scoring 20+ a night

A solid bench with a serious veteran presence and a solid back up center


Wish we had one more defensive big or something.

Yea I am not unhappy with what we got. It could even be pretty good. If healthy I think we are battling for the playoffs. I too really want that defensive big and its a big hole but making the playoffs would be a major step. I'm excited.