zimpy27 wrote:Wall plus 4 FRP for Simmons..
Wall, Wood, Gordon, and two 1sts for Simmons and Harris?
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zimpy27 wrote:Wall plus 4 FRP for Simmons..
Pointgod wrote:Here’s the trade:
Houston Trades: Wall, 1st round pick from Milwaukee or Brooklyn
Houston Receives: Andrew Wiggins, Jalen Brunson, Willy Cauley Stein - subsequently waived.
Golden State Trades: Andrew Wiggins
Golden State Receives: Kristaps Porzingis
Dallas Trades: Porzingis, WCS, Jalen Brunson
Dallas Recieves: 1st round pick, John Wall
Why for Houston: They break John Wall’s massive contract into an expiring contract WCS, Andrew Wiggins and a young point guard which is a position of need for them. They get immediate savings and can waive Cauley Stein. They can trade Wiggins or buy him out for less money than they would have paid Wall. The first round pick they give up is meh considering it’s from Milwaukee or Brooklyn.
Why for Golden State: Golden State wants to win now and Porzingis brings an interesting dynamic as a stretch Center. He can play with Green and form a 3 headed monster with Looney and Wiseman. They make a trade for immediate help without giving up any of their young players at the cost of taking an extra year of salary of Porzingis.
Why for Dallas: Dallas gets off of an extra year of Porzingis and avoids having to pay Jalen Brunson next year and it opens up minutes for Moses Brown. John Wall like Porzingis is an injury risk, but at least Wall relieves ball handling duties from Luka and adds another guy that can create for himself and others. It also clears up a roster spot to bring in Dragic if he gets bought out and the 1st round pick gives Dallas more flexibility in a trade since they owe a pick to the Knicks.
gswhoops wrote:KP for Wiggins has been discussed to death; neither side likes it. From our perspective we definitely need a reliable wing more than a higher ceiling/lower floor big
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Pointgod wrote:Here’s the trade:
Houston Trades: Wall, 1st round pick from Milwaukee or Brooklyn
Houston Receives: Andrew Wiggins, Jalen Brunson, Willy Cauley Stein - subsequently waived.
Golden State Trades: Andrew Wiggins
Golden State Receives: Kristaps Porzingis
Dallas Trades: Porzingis, WCS, Jalen Brunson
Dallas Recieves: 1st round pick, John Wall
gswhoops wrote:KP for Wiggins has been discussed to death; neither side likes it. From our perspective we definitely need a reliable wing more than a higher ceiling/lower floor big
That what how many people here said about Westbrook? I said for months that Westbrook would get traded for positive value and he was. So I'll hold onto the idea that it would be an gamble for taking for OKC. Not only because I think it is but they've shown willingness to both A) rehab player value and B) take on large amounts of buy out money for picks. Which if you're taking on wall are you're two options. That's the game, and OKC has shown that's how they think.Bentley1225 wrote:MoneyTalks41890 wrote:gambitx777 wrote:I'll say this again. While John walls contract is going to be very hard to move to a contender. To the right team it isn't, a team like OKC can afford to take some minor assets for the chance that wall rehabs value on a chunky one year deal that can be traded next summer. Now again Huston is in the same boat. So holding on to wall isn't terrible but they have no plans to rehab his value. OKC could with not a lot else at PG.
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You can keep saying it but it’s still wrong. Selling 33m in space for picks is better than taking on 90m for minor assets. It’s just nonsensical.
Wall would have to lead OKC to playoffs, average 26/8/4 and make the all-star team for any team to be remotely interested in providing value against his $47 million cap hit for next season. I just dont see it happening.
gambitx777 wrote:That what how many people here said about Westbrook? I said for months that Westbrook would get traded for positive value and he was. So I'll hold onto the idea that it would be an gamble for taking for OKC. Not only because I think it is but they've shown willingness to both A) rehab player value and B) take on large amounts of buy out money for picks. Which if you're taking on wall are you're two options. That's the game, and OKC has shown that's how they think.Bentley1225 wrote:MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
You can keep saying it but it’s still wrong. Selling 33m in space for picks is better than taking on 90m for minor assets. It’s just nonsensical.
Wall would have to lead OKC to playoffs, average 26/8/4 and make the all-star team for any team to be remotely interested in providing value against his $47 million cap hit for next season. I just dont see it happening.
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Well walker had 74 mill owe to him he reportedly gave up 20 that's 54 mill so they basically wrote a check for 54 mill for him to go home and to take the 16 pick. That's a lot of money for a first.gswhoops wrote:gambitx777 wrote:That what how many people here said about Westbrook? I said for months that Westbrook would get traded for positive value and he was. So I'll hold onto the idea that it would be an gamble for taking for OKC. Not only because I think it is but they've shown willingness to both A) rehab player value and B) take on large amounts of buy out money for picks. Which if you're taking on wall are you're two options. That's the game, and OKC has shown that's how they think.Bentley1225 wrote:
Wall would have to lead OKC to playoffs, average 26/8/4 and make the all-star team for any team to be remotely interested in providing value against his $47 million cap hit for next season. I just dont see it happening.
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It’s possible. I don’t think it’s likely, but I’ve been wrong before.
My quibble is really over the idea that this is a gamble worth taking for “minor assets.” OKC got the 16th pick to take on ~$20 million in the Kemba/Horford deal. To take on $90 million they would ask for a lot more.
gambitx777 wrote:Well walker had 74 mill owe to him he reportedly gave up 20 that's 54 mill so they basically wrote a check for 54 mill for him to go home and to take the 16 pick. That's a lot of money for a first.gswhoops wrote:gambitx777 wrote:That what how many people here said about Westbrook? I said for months that Westbrook would get traded for positive value and he was. So I'll hold onto the idea that it would be an gamble for taking for OKC. Not only because I think it is but they've shown willingness to both A) rehab player value and B) take on large amounts of buy out money for picks. Which if you're taking on wall are you're two options. That's the game, and OKC has shown that's how they think.
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It’s possible. I don’t think it’s likely, but I’ve been wrong before.
My quibble is really over the idea that this is a gamble worth taking for “minor assets.” OKC got the 16th pick to take on ~$20 million in the Kemba/Horford deal. To take on $90 million they would ask for a lot more.
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the_process wrote:zimpy27 wrote:Wall plus 4 FRP for Simmons..
Wall, Wood, Gordon, and two 1sts for Simmons and Harris?
Kemba had the same amount of years and more money owed.Texas Chuck wrote:sure if you disregard the over $40M due Al Horford. But of course you can't disregard it so....
gambitx777 wrote: They would have saved money by not doing that trade but they wouldn't have had the picks.
They were more than likely never going to buy out Horford because he had value. They had no other options with kemba. He didn't wanna play there, his value was at an all time low, they had to buy him out or let him sit at home, the second they traded for him they said this money is worth taking on for that pick. That's how that worked.HartfordWhalers wrote:gambitx777 wrote: They would have saved money by not doing that trade but they wouldn't have had the picks.
Isn't this exactly what everyone is telling you? They would have saved ~15m by not doing the trade. Not 90m. Not 60m.
Was he traded for positive value? I might give you neutral value.gambitx777 wrote:That what how many people here said about Westbrook? I said for months that Westbrook would get traded for positive value and he was. So I'll hold onto the idea that it would be an gamble for taking for OKC. Not only because I think it is but they've shown willingness to both A) rehab player value and B) take on large amounts of buy out money for picks. Which if you're taking on wall are you're two options. That's the game, and OKC has shown that's how they think.Bentley1225 wrote:MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
You can keep saying it but it’s still wrong. Selling 33m in space for picks is better than taking on 90m for minor assets. It’s just nonsensical.
Wall would have to lead OKC to playoffs, average 26/8/4 and make the all-star team for any team to be remotely interested in providing value against his $47 million cap hit for next season. I just dont see it happening.
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jbk1234 wrote:Was he traded for positive value? I might give you neutral value.gambitx777 wrote:That what how many people here said about Westbrook? I said for months that Westbrook would get traded for positive value and he was. So I'll hold onto the idea that it would be an gamble for taking for OKC. Not only because I think it is but they've shown willingness to both A) rehab player value and B) take on large amounts of buy out money for picks. Which if you're taking on wall are you're two options. That's the game, and OKC has shown that's how they think.Bentley1225 wrote:
Wall would have to lead OKC to playoffs, average 26/8/4 and make the all-star team for any team to be remotely interested in providing value against his $47 million cap hit for next season. I just dont see it happening.
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HartfordWhalers wrote:gambitx777 wrote: They would have saved money by not doing that trade but they wouldn't have had the picks.
Isn't this exactly what everyone is telling you? They would have saved ~15m by not doing the trade. Not 90m. Not 60m.
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:No I’m myopic and shortsighted and I want my pile of draft picks.
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