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Re: The Positivity Thread 

Post#361 » by Norseman79 » Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:13 pm

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By watching some Dloading highlights of course. Penance!



I didn't see any defensive ones, or ones where he leads a team...just a bunch of dribbling and shooting...and if he was getting paid what Beasley is I would be happy with it.



Oh I see, this is where Dlo is stealing your money again. We've heard others with this gripe.


YOU CAN BLAME THE TEAM, COACHES and ROSAS. They are the ones developing rookies and second year guys to the point DLO isn't putting up your fairytale required level of points, assists, rebounds. He has done it, can do it again. Put it all back into his hands and tell all the little new stains to fall in line already.

Some of you are so freaking shallow and come lately. So many will faint at the sight of a rookie this season getting a triple double (LaMello), or a player hogging nearly 48 possessions to bravenly shoot 31 times for 42 pts as a rookie (Edwards). Yet, at the same time, they want to piss on the memory of another similar player who has done all those same things as a young player not many years ago, yet on better efficiency even back then...he's still young now. But...he's not the shiny new chrome draft pick that everyone worked themselves up about recently is he.


Easy tiger. First, it isn't my money so I don't really care, but pointing out production doesn't equal payment shouldn't be that upsetting to anyone.

Secondly, I completely agree that Russell has been misused. That's no fault of his own, he is who he is as a player. Asking him to turn into a Chris Paul/Jason kidd style of point guard is completely unfair. To say he has done it, well that's debatable, but he has shown ability to play at a high level, it just hasn't consistently shown up.

Finally, DLo is young age wise, but not experience wise. That example is a bit weak. DLo has flashed ability in the past, but when in the league for what, five years already, the expectation of night in and night out consistency isn't unreasonable. Maybe that's all usage, maybe not. Maybe that's all supporting cast, maybe not. Maybe it's just Russell, maybe not. Likely it is a combination of all three. So, while people jumping on rookie highlights looking for the next star does overlook players at times, it's also perfectly normal when said players aren't producing to expectations regardless of reasons. I'm not saying it's fair, but that it's normal.

My personal issue is I just don't see Russell as the type of point guard/player I like...same as Kat. Both are very talented players, and if used correctly, both could be + nba players, by plus I mean good/great). However, I don't see either being able to become a true leader/#1 player on a legit championship team. Kat is likely a 2, and Russell a 3. This my hopes, and current disappointment in Edwards, though as you have said, in time some things could change. I don't like "could". Low iq and questionable effort is not excusable, and never likely to change a ton. Which is why I am agreeing with you, shortly, on a different thread regarding Jalen Green.

So, while I can respect your like and respect for DLo, understand my dislike of him isn't rooted in just his time with the Wolves, it's a much larger variety of things.
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Re: The Positivity Thread 

Post#362 » by Jedzz » Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:51 pm

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I didn't see any defensive ones, or ones where he leads a team...just a bunch of dribbling and shooting...and if he was getting paid what Beasley is I would be happy with it.



Oh I see, this is where Dlo is stealing your money again. We've heard others with this gripe.


YOU CAN BLAME THE TEAM, COACHES and ROSAS. They are the ones developing rookies and second year guys to the point DLO isn't putting up your fairytale required level of points, assists, rebounds. He has done it, can do it again. Put it all back into his hands and tell all the little new stains to fall in line already.

Some of you are so freaking shallow and come lately. So many will faint at the sight of a rookie this season getting a triple double (LaMello), or a player hogging nearly 48 possessions to bravenly shoot 31 times for 42 pts as a rookie (Edwards). Yet, at the same time, they want to piss on the memory of another similar player who has done all those same things as a young player not many years ago, yet on better efficiency even back then...he's still young now. But...he's not the shiny new chrome draft pick that everyone worked themselves up about recently is he.


Easy tiger. First, it isn't my money so I don't really care, but pointing out production doesn't equal payment shouldn't be that upsetting to anyone.

Secondly, I completely agree that Russell has been misused. That's no fault of his own, he is who he is as a player. Asking him to turn into a Chris Paul/Jason kidd style of point guard is completely unfair. To say he has done it, well that's debatable, but he has shown ability to play at a high level, it just hasn't consistently shown up.

Finally, DLo is young age wise, but not experience wise. That example is a bit weak. DLo has flashed ability in the past, but when in the league for what, five years already, the expectation of night in and night out consistency isn't unreasonable. Maybe that's all usage, maybe not. Maybe that's all supporting cast, maybe not. Maybe it's just Russell, maybe not. Likely it is a combination of all three. So, while people jumping on rookie highlights looking for the next star does overlook players at times, it's also perfectly normal when said players aren't producing to expectations regardless of reasons. I'm not saying it's fair, but that it's normal.

My personal issue is I just don't see Russell as the type of point guard/player I like...same as Kat. Both are very talented players, and if used correctly, both could be + nba players, by plus I mean good/great). However, I don't see either being able to become a true leader/#1 player on a legit championship team. Kat is likely a 2, and Russell a 3. This my hopes, and current disappointment in Edwards, though as you have said, in time some things could change. I don't like "could". Low iq and questionable effort is not excusable, and never likely to change a ton. Which is why I am agreeing with you, shortly, on a different thread regarding Jalen Green.

So, while I can respect your like and respect for DLo, understand my dislike of him isn't rooted in just his time with the Wolves, it's a much larger variety of things.



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Re: The Positivity Thread 

Post#363 » by Norseman79 » Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:08 pm

Jedzz wrote:
Norseman79 wrote:
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Oh I see, this is where Dlo is stealing your money again. We've heard others with this gripe.


YOU CAN BLAME THE TEAM, COACHES and ROSAS. They are the ones developing rookies and second year guys to the point DLO isn't putting up your fairytale required level of points, assists, rebounds. He has done it, can do it again. Put it all back into his hands and tell all the little new stains to fall in line already.

Some of you are so freaking shallow and come lately. So many will faint at the sight of a rookie this season getting a triple double (LaMello), or a player hogging nearly 48 possessions to bravenly shoot 31 times for 42 pts as a rookie (Edwards). Yet, at the same time, they want to piss on the memory of another similar player who has done all those same things as a young player not many years ago, yet on better efficiency even back then...he's still young now. But...he's not the shiny new chrome draft pick that everyone worked themselves up about recently is he.


Easy tiger. First, it isn't my money so I don't really care, but pointing out production doesn't equal payment shouldn't be that upsetting to anyone.

Secondly, I completely agree that Russell has been misused. That's no fault of his own, he is who he is as a player. Asking him to turn into a Chris Paul/Jason kidd style of point guard is completely unfair. To say he has done it, well that's debatable, but he has shown ability to play at a high level, it just hasn't consistently shown up.

Finally, DLo is young age wise, but not experience wise. That example is a bit weak. DLo has flashed ability in the past, but when in the league for what, five years already, the expectation of night in and night out consistency isn't unreasonable. Maybe that's all usage, maybe not. Maybe that's all supporting cast, maybe not. Maybe it's just Russell, maybe not. Likely it is a combination of all three. So, while people jumping on rookie highlights looking for the next star does overlook players at times, it's also perfectly normal when said players aren't producing to expectations regardless of reasons. I'm not saying it's fair, but that it's normal.

My personal issue is I just don't see Russell as the type of point guard/player I like...same as Kat. Both are very talented players, and if used correctly, both could be + nba players, by plus I mean good/great). However, I don't see either being able to become a true leader/#1 player on a legit championship team. Kat is likely a 2, and Russell a 3. This my hopes, and current disappointment in Edwards, though as you have said, in time some things could change. I don't like "could". Low iq and questionable effort is not excusable, and never likely to change a ton. Which is why I am agreeing with you, shortly, on a different thread regarding Jalen Green.

So, while I can respect your like and respect for DLo, understand my dislike of him isn't rooted in just his time with the Wolves, it's a much larger variety of things.



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Re: The Positivity Thread 

Post#364 » by Jedzz » Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:28 am

I'm positive, they are worse than Houston Rockets right now and the draft loving season tank supporters are happy tonight.
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Re: The Positivity Thread 

Post#365 » by Neeva » Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:34 am

Ok troll.
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Post#366 » by Klomp » Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:12 pm

Positivity is understandably lower or even nonexistent for some fans right now after the product we saw on the court this weekend, but looking at the longterm outlook of the franchises I would still rather be a Timberwolves fan over a Rockets fan today.
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Post#367 » by shrink » Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:46 pm

Let’s remember this is the positivity thread.

To be positive about the Wolves, you need to be a little myopic. “Look at <insert a player’s favorite offensive skill>!” Don’t look at <insert a favorite player’s defensive skill>.

Let’s keep our critiques to any of the other threads, okay?

There’s plenty of room for negativity virtually every place else.
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Post#368 » by shrink » Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:50 pm

Klomp wrote:Positivity is understandably lower or even nonexistent for some fans right now after the product we saw on the court this weekend, but looking at the longterm outlook of the franchises I would still rather be a Timberwolves fan over a Rockets fan today.

I agree. And I mentioned this in the KAT thread, but you can get a dose of positivity in this week’s RealGM Radio podcast. I expect most of our fans would skip it, since it’s title is about the trades, but there is a lot of talk about having an exceptional player, and what you can do. For example, Danny said that people used to compare Towns and Porzingas, as two big guys who can shoot. They both have an elite skill. But Towns has a second elite skill (his post up game), and that puts him in a different stratosphere if a team can maximize it. You can’t shut down everything.

Anyway, if you want a dose of positivity right now, I’d give that a listen.
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Post#369 » by Slim Tubby » Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:57 pm

I’m really pleased with the development of Reid and Nowell this year. Their defense is still suspect but they can both score in bunches off the bench.

McDaniels is much farther along offensively than I thought he would be as a Rookie and his defense thus far? Wow!

Ant is the most explosive/exciting player we’ve had since JR Ryder but he’s shooting at a rate similar to a pitching machine stuck on “nuclear” setting. That needs to stop and he needs to learn to let the game come to him rather than the other way around. It’s fixable.


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Post#370 » by Norseman79 » Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:28 pm

We are definitely getting a good look at players who can come off the bench next year. Also, appears that a few people may be raising their trade value!! Those are positives
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Post#371 » by shrink » Sun May 16, 2021 1:43 pm

I listened to a Windhorst podcast from last week called, “The Future is Bright” where the hosts got to pick a lottery team they are optimistic about. It should be no surprise that the Wolves were the first one picked.

Without going into all of it, MIN has an advantage that the other teams long for .. a legitimate young player that may become a superstar to build around. MIN may even have two! This is the hardest step in any rebuild, and I wouldn’t switch places right now with teams like DET, CLE, etc who don’t have anyone close.
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Post#372 » by Neeva » Sun May 16, 2021 2:04 pm

shrink wrote:I listened to a Windhorst podcast from last week called, “The Future is Bright” where the hosts got to pick a lottery team they are optimistic about. It should be no surprise that the Wolves were the first one picked.

Without going into all of it, MIN has an advantage that the other teams long for .. a legitimate young player that may become a superstar to build around. MIN may even have two! This is the hardest step in any rebuild, and I wouldn’t switch places right now with teams like DET, CLE, etc who don’t have anyone close.


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Post#373 » by Krapinsky » Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:59 pm

Some positivity for the offseason --

We added Bolsnaro, who is akin to adding a top 10 pick from last year's draft if you are to believe Mike Schmitz.

We added two veterans that will play large roles at the expense of lesser players who either did not fit (Rubio) or who just were not good (Juancho, Culver).

We signed our deep bench guys without over paying.

We have all of our future draft picks.

Everyone on the team is healthy.

Year 2 of Ant and McDaniels, and first one with a proper training camp.

Contract years for Prince, Beverly, Naz, and Nowell.
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Re: The Positivity Thread 

Post#374 » by DeBouillon » Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:42 pm

I'm kind of digging our roster right now. Good depth. Most teams play with one big. While KAT isn't a great defender he can match-up sizewise. If they use 2 bigs and are hurting us we could put Naz out there as well. Otherwise McDaniels and Vandy should be able to match-up. We have scorers in our line-up and a bunch of shooters. I think back to the years where we didn't have any shooters. This is probably the most we have had.
Simmons would be great, but if he crushes our depth he may not be worth it. Injuries happen during a long NBA season. With our roster we have insurance for injured players, and an even stronger second unit if everyone stays relatively healthy.
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Post#375 » by Klomp » Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:09 am

Something that just came to mind is how basically our entire roster has a pretty clear path to increasing their value around the league if they play well. Almost none would be greatly affected by a poor start, judging by how pieces seem to be currently received.
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Post#376 » by karch34 » Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:32 am

I feel like we’re a Layman and 2nd for space to sign a big in the vets minimum from me drinking the KoolAid
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Re: The Positivity Thread 

Post#377 » by minimus » Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:43 am

karch34 wrote:I feel like we’re a Layman and 2nd for space to sign a big in the vets minimum from me drinking the KoolAid


I'd rather trade Okogie. Then sign Biyombo and call it the day.
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Post#378 » by Klomp » Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:41 am

I don't care how crazy it sounds, we're winning a playoff series this year*!

*Note: play-in tournament does not count towards this prediction
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Re: The Positivity Thread 

Post#379 » by WolfAddict » Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:32 am

After some tricky and rocky starts, I think I agree with you @Klomp - Although, there's still a niggling feeling in the back of my mind that it's all going to go south and the wheels will fall off... but that's just the TWolves fan in me ;)
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Post#380 » by Worm Guts » Thu Jan 27, 2022 5:24 am

I’ll be happy to make a playoff series. I don’t want set myself up for disappointment.

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