Build a Franchise (Season 5) Bubble Tournament Edition

3toheadmelo · Post #221 » by **3toheadmelo** » Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:07 am

I have a problem with the FA team. I put them in a G league team but I can’t use them apparently. Going to transfer them to a different team. Apologies for this delay everyone. Will be up in 10 mins.

br7knicks · Post #222 » by **br7knicks** » Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:09 am

collins at 3/5 makes sense. he went through a major injury right after coming off of a really solid year.

Buzzard · Post #223 » by **Buzzard** » Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:12 am

br7knicks wrote:
Buzzard wrote:
br7knicks wrote:
while i disagree with a lot of the sim (they have harden as a 5-star often, when anyone with his complete lack of defensive capability deserves nothing greater than a 4), they have it more right than any other program out there.

zion will likely be a 4 or 4.5 out of 5. and that's where he should be. we still need to see if he's a 5/5 star kind of guy

Things have to be kept in perspective. If Collins is a 4.5 to 5 star player, then Zion has to be one. I have zero respect though for anyone who honestly believes Collins is a 4.5 to 5 star player. I think the BAF rater is overwhelmed and lost his basketball mind personally...

collins will likely be 3/5

i've been using this SIM since around 2012. they will get it closer to right than wrong

I disagree wholeheartedly because BAF does not account enough for defense. To many highly rated offensively gifted players who don't play a lick of defense.

br7knicks · Post #224 » by **br7knicks** » Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:16 am

Buzzard wrote:
br7knicks wrote:
Buzzard wrote:Things have to be kept in perspective. If Collins is a 4.5 to 5 star player, then Zion has to be one. I have zero respect though for anyone who honestly believes Collins is a 4.5 to 5 star player. I think the BAF rater is overwhelmed and lost his basketball mind personally...

collins will likely be 3/5

i've been using this SIM since around 2012. they will get it closer to right than wrong

I disagree wholeheartedly because BAF does not account enough for defense. To many highly rated offensively gifted players who don't play a lick of defense.

*feels awkward when looks at own previous statement

3toheadmelo · Post #225 » by **3toheadmelo** » Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:17 am

Dallas Mavs VS FA team #1

https://m.twitch.tv/youngtrinibwoy

Buzzard · Post #226 » by **Buzzard** » Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:22 am

br7knicks wrote:
Buzzard wrote:
br7knicks wrote:
collins will likely be 3/5

i've been using this SIM since around 2012. they will get it closer to right than wrong

I disagree wholeheartedly because BAF does not account enough for defense. To many highly rated offensively gifted players who don't play a lick of defense.

*feels awkward when looks at own previous statement

It is very awkward because the SIM is so out of whack with its ratings. I dare you to go to the trade board and post a Collins for Zion or KP for Zion trade. Yet both of those players had higher ratings than Zion.

Its called consistency. If you are not going to account for defense for one player, then you don't account for defense for any player. If you are going to make defense a factor, then it needs to be a factor for all players.

I am doing my best waddling around with these ratings; but it is a challenge to say the least.

br7knicks · Post #227 » by **br7knicks** » Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:29 am

Buzzard wrote:
br7knicks wrote:
Buzzard wrote:I disagree wholeheartedly because BAF does not account enough for defense. To many highly rated offensively gifted players who don't play a lick of defense.

*feels awkward when looks at own previous statement

It is very awkward because the SIM is so out of whack with its ratings. I dare you to go to the trade board and post a Collins for Zion or KP for Zion trade. Yet both of those players had higher ratings than Zion.

Its called consistency. If you are not going to account for defense for one player, then you don't account for defense for any player. If you are going to make defense a factor, then it needs to be a factor for all players.

I am doing my best waddling around with these ratings; but it is a challenge to say the least.

Well, if you looked at what I said previously, you'd see that I agree hiw they don't put enough emphasis on defense. Harden should not be any higher than my boy Jimmy butler, who ends up with a 3.5 rating

At that time, zion was an unknown. That's why he was a 3 star out of a 5 star potential. That made complete sense at the time.

Collins was coming off of a great year, with success as a team. That's why he was a 4 star with 4.5 potential. It all made sense at the time.

The sim adjusts. They're not great, but better than 2K, ten fold.

Buzzard · Post #228 » by **Buzzard** » Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:37 am

br7knicks wrote:
Buzzard wrote:
br7knicks wrote:
*feels awkward when looks at own previous statement

It is very awkward because the SIM is so out of whack with its ratings. I dare you to go to the trade board and post a Collins for Zion or KP for Zion trade. Yet both of those players had higher ratings than Zion.

Its called consistency. If you are not going to account for defense for one player, then you don't account for defense for any player. If you are going to make defense a factor, then it needs to be a factor for all players.

I am doing my best waddling around with these ratings; but it is a challenge to say the least.

Well, if you looked at what I said previously, you'd see that I agree hiw they don't put enough emphasis on defense. Harden should not be any higher than my boy Jimmy butler, who ends up with a 3.5 rating

At that time, zion was an unknown. That's why he was a 3 star out of a 5 star potential. That made complete sense at the time.

Collins was coming off of a great year, with success as a team. That's why he was a 4 star with 4.5 potential. It all made sense at the time.

The sim adjusts. They're not great, but better than 2K, ten fold.

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Buzzard · Post #229 » by **Buzzard** » Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:41 am

br7knicks wrote:
Buzzard wrote:
br7knicks wrote:
*feels awkward when looks at own previous statement

It is very awkward because the SIM is so out of whack with its ratings. I dare you to go to the trade board and post a Collins for Zion or KP for Zion trade. Yet both of those players had higher ratings than Zion.

Its called consistency. If you are not going to account for defense for one player, then you don't account for defense for any player. If you are going to make defense a factor, then it needs to be a factor for all players.

I am doing my best waddling around with these ratings; but it is a challenge to say the least.

Well, if you looked at what I said previously, you'd see that I agree hiw they don't put enough emphasis on defense. Harden should not be any higher than my boy Jimmy butler, who ends up with a 3.5 rating

At that time, zion was an unknown. That's why he was a 3 star out of a 5 star potential. That made complete sense at the time.

Collins was coming off of a great year, with success as a team. That's why he was a 4 star with 4.5 potential. It all made sense at the time.

The sim adjusts. They're not great, but better than 2K, ten fold.

I don't think it is better than 2K. Quite honestly its not close. 2K puts a lot more money ( R & D ) into their product and it shows. Especially in the ratings and the way they stay on top of all the player changes.

We will disagree on this until the cows come home.

br7knicks · Post #230 » by **br7knicks** » Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:52 am

Buzzard wrote:
br7knicks wrote:
Buzzard wrote:It is very awkward because the SIM is so out of whack with its ratings. I dare you to go to the trade board and post a Collins for Zion or KP for Zion trade. Yet both of those players had higher ratings than Zion.

Its called consistency. If you are not going to account for defense for one player, then you don't account for defense for any player. If you are going to make defense a factor, then it needs to be a factor for all players.

I am doing my best waddling around with these ratings; but it is a challenge to say the least.

Well, if you looked at what I said previously, you'd see that I agree hiw they don't put enough emphasis on defense. Harden should not be any higher than my boy Jimmy butler, who ends up with a 3.5 rating

At that time, zion was an unknown. That's why he was a 3 star out of a 5 star potential. That made complete sense at the time.

Collins was coming off of a great year, with success as a team. That's why he was a 4 star with 4.5 potential. It all made sense at the time.

The sim adjusts. They're not great, but better than 2K, ten fold.

I don't think it is better than 2K. Quite honestly its not close. 2K puts a lot more money ( R & D ) into their product and it shows. Especially in the ratings and the way they stay on top of all the player changes.

We will disagree on this until the cows come home.

If you think 2K is decent, or better than the sim, then we will definitely disagree forever :lol:

br7knicks · Post #231 » by **br7knicks** » Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:53 am

2k definitely does not put money into rd lol

bishnykfan · Post #232 » by **bishnykfan** » Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:53 am

Buzzard wrote:
br7knicks wrote:
Buzzard wrote:I disagree wholeheartedly because BAF does not account enough for defense. To many highly rated offensively gifted players who don't play a lick of defense.

*feels awkward when looks at own previous statement

It is very awkward because the SIM is so out of whack with its ratings. I dare you to go to the trade board and post a Collins for Zion or KP for Zion trade. Yet both of those players had higher ratings than Zion.

Its called consistency. If you are not going to account for defense for one player, then you don't account for defense for any player. If you are going to make defense a factor, then it needs to be a factor for all players.

I am doing my best waddling around with these ratings; but it is a challenge to say the least.

Again, you seem set on this Zion rating. The sim seems to pretty much go off of numbers alone and based on Zion's rookie year, he deserved nothing higher than the three stars he got. Collins definitely was overrated in the sim last year. He was coming off of a decent year but should not have been as high as he was. Of course there are anomalies and a few headscratchers every season, but overall, the sim has gotten a lot more correct over these past four seasons than not.

br7knicks · Post #233 » by **br7knicks** » Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:56 am

bishnykfan wrote:
Buzzard wrote:
br7knicks wrote:
*feels awkward when looks at own previous statement

It is very awkward because the SIM is so out of whack with its ratings. I dare you to go to the trade board and post a Collins for Zion or KP for Zion trade. Yet both of those players had higher ratings than Zion.

Its called consistency. If you are not going to account for defense for one player, then you don't account for defense for any player. If you are going to make defense a factor, then it needs to be a factor for all players.

I am doing my best waddling around with these ratings; but it is a challenge to say the least.

Again, you seem set on this Zion rating. The sim seems to pretty much go off of numbers alone and based on Zion's rookie year, he deserved nothing higher than the three stars he got. Collins definitely was overrated in the sim last year. He was coming off of a decent year but should not have been as high as he was. Of course there are anomalies and a few headscratchers every season, but overall, the sim has gotten a lot more correct over these past four seasons than not.

Yeah, unlike 2k. The sim looks at numbers and performance. 2k looks at reputation. 2k is gross compared to the sim. And the sim isn't great

Buzzard · Post #234 » by **Buzzard** » Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:02 am

bishnykfan wrote:
Buzzard wrote:
br7knicks wrote:
*feels awkward when looks at own previous statement

It is very awkward because the SIM is so out of whack with its ratings. I dare you to go to the trade board and post a Collins for Zion or KP for Zion trade. Yet both of those players had higher ratings than Zion.

Its called consistency. If you are not going to account for defense for one player, then you don't account for defense for any player. If you are going to make defense a factor, then it needs to be a factor for all players.

I am doing my best waddling around with these ratings; but it is a challenge to say the least.

Again, you seem set on this Zion rating. The sim seems to pretty much go off of numbers alone and based on Zion's rookie year, he deserved nothing higher than the three stars he got. Collins definitely was overrated in the sim last year. He was coming off of a decent year but should not have been as high as he was. Of course there are anomalies and a few headscratchers every season, but overall, the sim has gotten a lot more correct over these past four seasons than not.

I just think letting one person be in charge of rating all these players will automatically lead to a big mess. I think a lot of my ability and basketball knowledge; but no way in hell do I think I could could do as thorough a job rating players as 2K.

bishnykfan · Post #235 » by **bishnykfan** » Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:03 am

br7knicks wrote:
bishnykfan wrote:
Buzzard wrote:It is very awkward because the SIM is so out of whack with its ratings. I dare you to go to the trade board and post a Collins for Zion or KP for Zion trade. Yet both of those players had higher ratings than Zion.

Its called consistency. If you are not going to account for defense for one player, then you don't account for defense for any player. If you are going to make defense a factor, then it needs to be a factor for all players.

I am doing my best waddling around with these ratings; but it is a challenge to say the least.

Again, you seem set on this Zion rating. The sim seems to pretty much go off of numbers alone and based on Zion's rookie year, he deserved nothing higher than the three stars he got. Collins definitely was overrated in the sim last year. He was coming off of a decent year but should not have been as high as he was. Of course there are anomalies and a few headscratchers every season, but overall, the sim has gotten a lot more correct over these past four seasons than not.

Yeah, unlike 2k. The sim looks at numbers and performance. 2k looks at reputation. 2k is gross compared to the sim. And the sim isn't great

Obviously you are the one that brought the sim to us four years ago. But after four seasons I think that I have a decent handle on things. And for the most part, they are very good. The stats and league leaders turn out pretty accurate each year and more importantly, the best teams seem to win. The teams that should make the playoffs do and nothing crazy happens in that regard. Like I said before, there are definitely anomalies in some of their ratings each season, but overall, the sim is pretty accurate IMO.

bishnykfan · Post #236 » by **bishnykfan** » Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:07 am

Buzzard wrote:
bishnykfan wrote:
Buzzard wrote:It is very awkward because the SIM is so out of whack with its ratings. I dare you to go to the trade board and post a Collins for Zion or KP for Zion trade. Yet both of those players had higher ratings than Zion.

Its called consistency. If you are not going to account for defense for one player, then you don't account for defense for any player. If you are going to make defense a factor, then it needs to be a factor for all players.

I am doing my best waddling around with these ratings; but it is a challenge to say the least.

Again, you seem set on this Zion rating. The sim seems to pretty much go off of numbers alone and based on Zion's rookie year, he deserved nothing higher than the three stars he got. Collins definitely was overrated in the sim last year. He was coming off of a decent year but should not have been as high as he was. Of course there are anomalies and a few headscratchers every season, but overall, the sim has gotten a lot more correct over these past four seasons than not.

I just think letting one person be in charge of rating all these players will automatically lead to a big mess. I think a lot of my ability and basketball knowledge; but no way in hell do I think I could could do as thorough a job rating players as 2K.

Again, I will disagree. After four seasons I have yet to see a "big mess". It is what it is though, not everyone will like every rating they see. They aren't perfect in any regards but IMO, they are the best thing around.

br7knicks · Post #237 » by **br7knicks** » Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:07 am

Buzzard wrote:
bishnykfan wrote:
Buzzard wrote:It is very awkward because the SIM is so out of whack with its ratings. I dare you to go to the trade board and post a Collins for Zion or KP for Zion trade. Yet both of those players had higher ratings than Zion.

Its called consistency. If you are not going to account for defense for one player, then you don't account for defense for any player. If you are going to make defense a factor, then it needs to be a factor for all players.

I am doing my best waddling around with these ratings; but it is a challenge to say the least.

Again, you seem set on this Zion rating. The sim seems to pretty much go off of numbers alone and based on Zion's rookie year, he deserved nothing higher than the three stars he got. Collins definitely was overrated in the sim last year. He was coming off of a decent year but should not have been as high as he was. Of course there are anomalies and a few headscratchers every season, but overall, the sim has gotten a lot more correct over these past four seasons than not.

I just think letting one person be in charge of rating all these players will automatically lead to a big mess. I think a lot of my ability and basketball knowledge; but no way in hell do I think I could could do as thorough a job rating players as 2K.

well it's not one person. it's not 2K, but it's a group of guys.

br7knicks · Post #238 » by **br7knicks** » Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:08 am

bishnykfan wrote:
Buzzard wrote:
bishnykfan wrote:

Again, you seem set on this Zion rating. The sim seems to pretty much go off of numbers alone and based on Zion's rookie year, he deserved nothing higher than the three stars he got. Collins definitely was overrated in the sim last year. He was coming off of a decent year but should not have been as high as he was. Of course there are anomalies and a few headscratchers every season, but overall, the sim has gotten a lot more correct over these past four seasons than not.

I just think letting one person be in charge of rating all these players will automatically lead to a big mess. I think a lot of my ability and basketball knowledge; but no way in hell do I think I could could do as thorough a job rating players as 2K.

Again, I will disagree. After four seasons I have yet to see a "big mess". It is what it is though, not everyone will like every rating they see. They aren't perfect in any regards but IMO, they are the best thing around.

yeah, i agree. this is why i suggested the sim. they do the best job out there, by far

3toheadmelo · Post #239 » by **3toheadmelo** » Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:22 am

3toheadmelo wrote:Dallas Mavs VS FA team #1

https://m.twitch.tv/youngtrinibwoy

Final Score: Mavs 84 FA #1: 32

wackbone · Post #240 » by **wackbone** » Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:23 am

K-DOT wrote:
2010 wrote:
HerSports85 wrote:ya'll talking championships and here I am just trying to make moves to get the Bulls out the first round where they got eliminated the last 2 years.

I feel your pain. Same boat!

Meanwhile Lakers are just trying to get out of the basement

Celtics are down here too, except they're more like Silence of the Lambs trapped in the basement, and we're just normal trapped in the basement.

What are you talking about? If you're in the basement we're in the lower mantle.