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Re: Welcome to Detroit Luka Garza!!! 

Post#141 » by Manocad » Thu Aug 19, 2021 7:38 pm

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Manocad wrote:And yet one poster still refers to Garza as completely unplayable, like he gives up a score on every single possession or something. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again—how many end of the bench guys have anything close to Garza’s offensive capabilities?


Boban and they're both unplayable

Welp, keep your whiny pants on then because my guess is you’re going to see Garza play.
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Post#142 » by Pharaoh » Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:04 am

vege wrote:
Manocad wrote:And yet one poster still refers to Garza as completely unplayable, like he gives up a score on every single possession or something. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again—how many end of the bench guys have anything close to Garza’s offensive capabilities?


Boban and they're both unplayable
Bobo plays some of the time

But Garza ain't him anyway!

Any big that can drain jumpers like that has a place in the league, especially with the way the game is played now.

Sure he'll get targeted and will be abused at times but Rudy **** Gobert just got played off the floor in the playoffs so

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Re: Welcome to Detroit Luka Garza!!! 

Post#143 » by Invictus88 » Fri Aug 20, 2021 3:24 pm

Drwho17 wrote:
bstein14 wrote:Jokic scouting reports had him as slow and a poor athlete. Praised him for periemeter shooting and "craftiness" with good bball IQ. Sometimes the NBA gets too caught up on athletes... lots of great athlete are never good ball players, and lots of great ball players aren't great athletes. Luka is going to be just fine. He has the work ethic and skillset needed to be an NBA player. He dropped the weight to improve lateral quickness. He has shown he is willing to put the work in to be successful. Lots of players could have just been upset about being the national player of the year and not being a 1st round pick.... he accepted the fact that NBA teams saw a weakness and worked on it and will continue to work on it and improve. He certainly has a reason to have a bit of a chip on his shoulder.

Why did he wait until the NBA draft to get himself in better shape? How do you/we know about his work ethic? Wasn't Stanley Johnson the greatest hard worker ever to come to the NBA, after he was drafted. I feel this work ethic thing is pretty inconsequential, to be in the NBA means you have the work ethic.


I think there were enough distractions in his life (college classes, life, etc) that it's not at all unreasonable for him to finally shift full-time focus to NBA prep after his college career is over.

To be honest 30 pounds in that short period of time (where he actually keeps the weight off) is pretty impressive.

And as for the "being in the nba = you have a work ethic already" thing: not a chance. There's plenty of guys who have gotten there on talent / size alone who honestly don't know how to properly train or work.

I remember a physical trainer of mine tell me he used to see DeMarcus Cousins at the gym between the time he was drafted and when he started with Sacramento. It was clear the guy had never used any kind of gym equipment before in his life.
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Re: Welcome to Detroit Luka Garza!!! 

Post#144 » by zeebneeb » Fri Aug 20, 2021 6:01 pm

Manocad wrote:
vege wrote:
Manocad wrote:And yet one poster still refers to Garza as completely unplayable, like he gives up a score on every single possession or something. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again—how many end of the bench guys have anything close to Garza’s offensive capabilities?


Boban and they're both unplayable

Welp, keep your whiny pants on then because my guess is you’re going to see Garza play.
I find it very interesting that he used Boban in reference to Garzas offensive capabilities. Why? As it's a horrendous comparison right off the bat.

:lol:

The reason why Garza is so intriguing is because he can shoot the hell out of the ball from anywhere on the court, thus, stretching the defense.

Now unless I've been dropped on my head recently, and forgotten certain things,, Boban doesn't have a game that stretches out to the three point line, making him deadly on the pick and roll/pop. Boban is in orders of magnitude slower then Garza as well.

What an absolute ridiculous comparison. Good grief.
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Post#145 » by The Goonibomber » Sun Aug 22, 2021 1:45 am

Drwho17 wrote:Why did he wait until the NBA draft to get himself in better shape? How do you/we know about his work ethic? Wasn't Stanley Johnson the greatest hard worker ever to come to the NBA, after he was drafted. I feel this work ethic thing is pretty inconsequential, to be in the NBA means you have the work ethic.


He waited because that extra weight was a positive for him in college. With the focus on space and pace in the league, he addressed what everyone knew needed to be addressed if he was going to have a prayer to stick.
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Post#146 » by 440BB » Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:39 pm

With the impending move from a two way contract to a Pistons roster spot, I thought I'd share this nugget -
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/racing-mosquitoes-inside-the-maniacal-work-ethic-of-iowas-luka-garza/ar-BB1cuAzX
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Post#147 » by zeebneeb » Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:28 pm

440BB wrote:With the impending move from a two way contract to a Pistons roster spot, I thought I'd share this nugget -
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/racing-mosquitoes-inside-the-maniacal-work-ethic-of-iowas-luka-garza/ar-BB1cuAzX
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Post#148 » by thesack12 » Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:07 pm

Unless they have some hot shot highly regarded target to sign to a 2 way contract, I personally don't see the upside in giving Garza a standard contract.

Having that extra roster spot could have been pretty valauble. It was actually one of the better results of the DeAndre Jordan trade. 2 way guys are no longer capped on the amount of time they can spend/play with the big team. So they could have just kept Garza with the Pistons all year. On a 2 way, Garza would have been ineligible for the playoffs, but its not like that was going to be a concern.
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Post#149 » by Snakebites » Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:47 pm

I'm still skeptical of Garza against NBA level competition, but I'd rather have him as our third string center than Okafor.
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Post#150 » by jakebernat » Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:59 pm

Snakebites wrote:I'm still skeptical of Garza against NBA level competition, but I'd rather have him as our third string center than Okafor.

If you can draft a player at 52 that can make an nba roster, I’d chalk that up as a win.
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Post#151 » by Snakebites » Sat Sep 18, 2021 4:01 pm

jakebernat wrote:
Snakebites wrote:I'm still skeptical of Garza against NBA level competition, but I'd rather have him as our third string center than Okafor.

If you can draft a player at 52 that can make an nba roster, I’d chalk that up as a win.

Oh absolutely.

I just hope folks aren't getting too excited about his SL performance.
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Post#152 » by jakebernat » Sat Sep 18, 2021 4:04 pm

Snakebites wrote:
jakebernat wrote:
Snakebites wrote:I'm still skeptical of Garza against NBA level competition, but I'd rather have him as our third string center than Okafor.

If you can draft a player at 52 that can make an nba roster, I’d chalk that up as a win.

Oh absolutely.

I just hope folks aren't getting too excited about his SL performance.


yeah, I think at best, he’ll be a situational player, but hopefully he can be more than that one day.
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Post#153 » by Snakebites » Sat Sep 18, 2021 4:05 pm

jakebernat wrote:
Snakebites wrote:
jakebernat wrote:If you can draft a player at 52 that can make an nba roster, I’d chalk that up as a win.

Oh absolutely.

I just hope folks aren't getting too excited about his SL performance.


yeah, I think at best, he’ll be a situational player, but hopefully he can be more than that one day.

His playing time will be minimal unless somebody gets hurt. Stew and Kelly O are our rotational centers.
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Post#154 » by jakebernat » Sat Sep 18, 2021 4:12 pm

Snakebites wrote:
jakebernat wrote:
Snakebites wrote:Oh absolutely.

I just hope folks aren't getting too excited about his SL performance.


yeah, I think at best, he’ll be a situational player, but hopefully he can be more than that one day.

His playing time will be minimal unless somebody gets hurt. Stew and Kelly O are our rotational centers.


Oh I know. I guess what I meant was I hope he can actually end up contributing down the line instead of being a guy we’re forced to play because of injuries, foul trouble, etc.
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Post#155 » by Obe1ball » Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:19 pm

thesack12 wrote:Unless they have some hot shot highly regarded target to sign to a 2 way contract, I personally don't see the upside in giving Garza a standard contract.

Having that extra roster spot could have been pretty valauble. It was actually one of the better results of the DeAndre Jordan trade. 2 way guys are no longer capped on the amount of time they can spend/play with the big team. So they could have just kept Garza with the Pistons all year. On a 2 way, Garza would have been ineligible for the playoffs, but its not like that was going to be a concern.



His name is Jamorko Pickett and he's worth protecting, with a 2-way contract.
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Post#156 » by thesack12 » Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:28 pm

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thesack12 wrote:Unless they have some hot shot highly regarded target to sign to a 2 way contract, I personally don't see the upside in giving Garza a standard contract.

Having that extra roster spot could have been pretty valauble. It was actually one of the better results of the DeAndre Jordan trade. 2 way guys are no longer capped on the amount of time they can spend/play with the big team. So they could have just kept Garza with the Pistons all year. On a 2 way, Garza would have been ineligible for the playoffs, but its not like that was going to be a concern.



His name is Jamorko Pickett and he's worth protecting, with a 2-way contract.


Like most, I liked what I saw from Pickett from summer league. However, if the team wanted a longer look at him, they could have just released Chris Smith and gave his 2 way to Pickett. Thus they would have still retained the open roster spot.

I believe Smith is still hurt anyways.
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Post#157 » by 440BB » Sat Sep 18, 2021 7:09 pm

I think the Pistons want to hold on to the rights to both Smith and Pickett. Smith was projected to be a first round pick before his injury and looks like a good fit for their style of play.

Aren't two way players capped at 50 games this season?
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Post#158 » by thesack12 » Sat Sep 18, 2021 8:59 pm

440BB wrote:I think the Pistons want to hold on to the rights to both Smith and Pickett. Smith was projected to be a first round pick before his injury and looks like a good fit for their style of play.

Aren't two way players capped at 50 games this season?


I'm personally not high on Smith. He had some momentum after his Jr year, but after returning to school for his senior year he didn't build off that, and then got hurt. Upper classmen, aren't really all that highly regarded so I'm skeptical he would have been a 1st rounder had he declared last year. His college resume is pretty underwhelming overall, and he was a core player for UCLA for only really 1.5 years.

In any event, it would be extremely rare for a team to seriously regret releasing someone on a 2 way contract. Especially if those guys weren't even drafted. These are the Reggie Hearns, Louis Kings, Kalin Lucas's of the world.

As for limits on 2 way players...

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/07/18/report-nba-to-keep-most-of-relaxed-two-way-player-rules-for-next-season/

Two-way players could play in up to 50 NBA games at first, then that was loosened again and they could play in an unlimited number of games and the playoffs


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Post#159 » by Snakebites » Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:11 pm

Looks like Garza has been given a 2 year deal, and is no longer on a 2-way.

Good for him. This likely resolves our final roster spot.
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Post#160 » by Obe1ball » Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:35 pm

thesack12 wrote:
Obe1ball wrote:
thesack12 wrote:Unless they have some hot shot highly regarded target to sign to a 2 way contract, I personally don't see the upside in giving Garza a standard contract.

Having that extra roster spot could have been pretty valauble. It was actually one of the better results of the DeAndre Jordan trade. 2 way guys are no longer capped on the amount of time they can spend/play with the big team. So they could have just kept Garza with the Pistons all year. On a 2 way, Garza would have been ineligible for the playoffs, but its not like that was going to be a concern.



His name is Jamorko Pickett and he's worth protecting, with a 2-way contract.


Like most, I liked what I saw from Pickett from summer league. However, if the team wanted a longer look at him, they could have just released Chris Smith and gave his 2 way to Pickett. Thus they would have still retained the open roster spot.

I believe Smith is still hurt anyways.




Or they could sign Garza to contract and then sign Pickett to a 2-way. Which will be happening.

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