Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread

[LarryBirdsFingr]

his NBA numbers are quite low. Probably less than 30%. But there are many factors that can go into that. Inconsistent and sporadic playing time can cause low%.. Less Competition level overseas can cause a spike. Flip side is increased work and seasoning/experience can increase numbers as well. Looking at Gerald Green for that one.

Either way my eyes say he has a nice looking shooting stroke and at the very least should be looked at very closely by Boston come training camp. I definitely like him as a shooter more than Morgan..

I know that its a highlight film, but did you notice that an extremely high percentage of this 3's never touch the rim? Good form, weak on 1 on 1 defense, but that can be hid. We may be looking at our next 2-way player. I also like him better than Morgan, but I like Morgan better than G. Will if that tells you anything.

Yes, Playa Hater you outlined the 3 primary reasons why his numbers were low in NBA and high overseas. The other potential reason is the further out 3 point line in the NBA can cause some guys to shoot better overseas than they do in the NBA..

I like to think it's moreso that he's gotten better with more experience/seasoning/reps since he is 28 yrs old. which is right in the middle of the prime of most pro basketball players career and it's the time when many pro basketball players peak - so we're potentially picking up a guy who has done all of his development, gone through his growing pains and now we're getting him at his peak.

I would be nervous if I'm Parker. Only dude on the 15 man roster without a guaranteed contract and he's got some potentially stiff competition in Anthony Brown, Juwan Morgan and to a lesser extent Kornet..

If nothing else, it'll be good to have some good competitive battles in training camp.

If Brown turns out to be a sniper and solid scoring weapon off the bench, Brad is a genius. If he never plays a minute for the C's, oh well, we didn't trade anything to get him and all we gave him was a training camp invite. Low risk, high reward flier. You miss 100% of the shots that you don't take.

Parker showed last year that he does not have NBA level of conditioning. Maybe that has changed...but I think you'll see a lot of bench riding for Parker unless he comes into camp extremely motivated and ready to work. I just don't see that happening. Brown to me seems like the only person on thr outside of the roster with a chance at grabbing a few mins.

[Hal14]

I know that its a highlight film, but did you notice that an extremely high percentage of this 3's never touch the rim? Good form, weak on 1 on 1 defense, but that can be hid. We may be looking at our next 2-way player. I also like him better than Morgan, but I like Morgan better than G. Will if that tells you anything.

Yes, Playa Hater you outlined the 3 primary reasons why his numbers were low in NBA and high overseas. The other potential reason is the further out 3 point line in the NBA can cause some guys to shoot better overseas than they do in the NBA..

I like to think it's moreso that he's gotten better with more experience/seasoning/reps since he is 28 yrs old. which is right in the middle of the prime of most pro basketball players career and it's the time when many pro basketball players peak - so we're potentially picking up a guy who has done all of his development, gone through his growing pains and now we're getting him at his peak.

I would be nervous if I'm Parker. Only dude on the 15 man roster without a guaranteed contract and he's got some potentially stiff competition in Anthony Brown, Juwan Morgan and to a lesser extent Kornet..

If nothing else, it'll be good to have some good competitive battles in training camp.

If Brown turns out to be a sniper and solid scoring weapon off the bench, Brad is a genius. If he never plays a minute for the C's, oh well, we didn't trade anything to get him and all we gave him was a training camp invite. Low risk, high reward flier. You miss 100% of the shots that you don't take.

Parker showed last year that he does not have NBA level of conditioning. Maybe that has changed...but I think you'll see a lot of bench riding for Parker unless he comes into camp extremely motivated and ready to work. I just don't see that happening. Brown to me seems like the only person on thr outside of the roster with a chance at grabbing a few mins.

Agreed. The conditioning with Parker is a red flag, plus most of the time he was a borderline liability on defense. And while he can score, he's a below average shooter from 3.

It seems like any of us who have watched the highlight videos on Anthony Brown, there's clear/obvious talent, quickness, athleticism/shiftiness/burst, he can score, he can shoot. Only question is will his game translate from French league to NBA and does he want to sign with us.. But from what I've seen he could turn out to be a steal, and solid weapon off the bench. We'll see what happens - there were reports that he was gonna work out for us earlier this week and then we haven't heard anything since then..

[GoGreen]

Count me in the camp that thinks Parker won't provide much. I was really happy with the Juancho trade because of it. And don't get me wrong, still thin at that position behind Tatum, but can't be stacked everywhere.

[Parliament10]

Yes, Playa Hater you outlined the 3 primary reasons why his numbers were low in NBA and high overseas. The other potential reason is the further out 3 point line in the NBA can cause some guys to shoot better overseas than they do in the NBA..

I like to think it's moreso that he's gotten better with more experience/seasoning/reps since he is 28 yrs old. which is right in the middle of the prime of most pro basketball players career and it's the time when many pro basketball players peak - so we're potentially picking up a guy who has done all of his development, gone through his growing pains and now we're getting him at his peak.

I would be nervous if I'm Parker. Only dude on the 15 man roster without a guaranteed contract and he's got some potentially stiff competition in Anthony Brown, Juwan Morgan and to a lesser extent Kornet..

If nothing else, it'll be good to have some good competitive battles in training camp.

If Brown turns out to be a sniper and solid scoring weapon off the bench, Brad is a genius. If he never plays a minute for the C's, oh well, we didn't trade anything to get him and all we gave him was a training camp invite. Low risk, high reward flier. You miss 100% of the shots that you don't take.

Parker showed last year that he does not have NBA level of conditioning. Maybe that has changed...but I think you'll see a lot of bench riding for Parker unless he comes into camp extremely motivated and ready to work. I just don't see that happening. Brown to me seems like the only person on thr outside of the roster with a chance at grabbing a few mins.

Agreed. The conditioning with Parker is a red flag, plus most of the time he was a borderline liability on defense. And while he can score, he's a below average shooter from 3.

It seems like any of us who have watched the highlight videos on Anthony Brown, there's clear/obvious talent, quickness, athleticism/shiftiness/burst, he can score, he can shoot. Only question is will his game translate from French league to NBA and does he want to sign with us.. But from what I've seen he could turn out to be a steal, and solid weapon off the bench. We'll see what happens - there were reports that he was gonna work out for us earlier this week and then we haven't heard anything since then..

Ok. So Parker was Guaranteed $100,000 on 08/24/21 (changed from 07/31/21).
He'll get half his salary for the year, if he makes it to Opening Day. And the other half, if he's still here in January.

Parker has an uphill battle. Hopefully we can get some Depth at that PF position. Doubtful that it will be him, though.

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[Parliament10]

Count me in the camp that thinks Parker won't provide much. I was really happy with the Juancho trade because of it. And don't get me wrong, still thin at that position behind Tatum, but can't be stacked everywhere.

We should Move Parker (Either Trade, or Waive) and holdout for some more competent Depth, at the PF.
Too bad some of these Guys can't play SF (Fernando, G. Williams, Hernangómez, Parker).

Though, G. Will can switch off on all 5 positions for a bit. That's valuable.
He just makes some bonehead playending plays.

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[Boss66]

Seems like an objective assessment - C-

Guess giving Richardson a 5% allows him to be traded

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/09/17/celtics-still-sliding-as-continuing-shakeup-goes-from-roster-to-front-office-and-coaching-staff/

[Curmudgeon]

I don't think it's accurate at all. For starters, there is no discussion of how much the defense has improved. If he thinks Kemba was a loss, he didn't watch the team last year, or if he did, he did not know what he was seeing.

[sam_I_am]

Parker showed last year that he does not have NBA level of conditioning. Maybe that has changed...but I think you'll see a lot of bench riding for Parker unless he comes into camp extremely motivated and ready to work. I just don't see that happening. Brown to me seems like the only person on thr outside of the roster with a chance at grabbing a few mins.

Agreed. The conditioning with Parker is a red flag, plus most of the time he was a borderline liability on defense. And while he can score, he's a below average shooter from 3.

It seems like any of us who have watched the highlight videos on Anthony Brown, there's clear/obvious talent, quickness, athleticism/shiftiness/burst, he can score, he can shoot. Only question is will his game translate from French league to NBA and does he want to sign with us.. But from what I've seen he could turn out to be a steal, and solid weapon off the bench. We'll see what happens - there were reports that he was gonna work out for us earlier this week and then we haven't heard anything since then..

Ok. So Parker was Guaranteed $100,000 on 08/24/21 (changed from 07/31/21).
He'll get half his salary for the year, if he makes it to Opening Day. And the other half, if he's still here in January.

Parker has an uphill battle. Hopefully we can get some Depth at that PF position. Doubtful that it will be him, though.

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Our team was so offensively challenged last year that Parker was a positive addition despite his injuries, conditioning and poor defense. I personally want him to get a full camp to see what he can do. That said, the team has more professional veteran scorers now even if there was a drop off in high end scoring without Fournier and Walker so that his positive impact may be negligible.

[Curmudgeon]

Our team was so offensively challenged last year that Parker was a positive addition despite his injuries, conditioning and poor defense. I personally want him to get a full camp to see what he can do. That said, the team has more professional veteran scorers now even if there was a drop off in high end scoring without Fournier and Walker so that his positive impact may be negligible.

Parker was marginal at best. Depends on what you are willing to pay for marginal.

I view last year's team as defensively challenged. They were 7th overall in offense at 112 ppg. They were 11th in defense at 111 ppg. And towards the end of the year they were worse defensively than at the beginning, especially after Brown got hurt.

[playa-hater]

If Parker doesn't come in the best shape of his life, he is a idiot.. No one can be that dumb right?? meanwhile I will reserve judgment on every single unproven commodity until proven one way or the other.

while all our backup 4 men need to prove stuff and all are completely different. at the very least there are more choices than we have had in a few years at least. Thanks to GOAT Stevens..

If just one of the group jump out, we are blessed.

[snowman]

HEY BRAD !!!!!

Sign Tyler Bey to a camp contract quick. Trust me on this one.

Sign Brown to one also. Release Parker and trade G. Will. Replace them with Morgan and Brown, and let Bey be the 2nd 2 way.

Smart, Richardson, Brown, Tatum, Horford
Pritchard, Schroder, Nesmith, Hernangomez, Williams
Langford, Brown, Morgan, Fernando, Kanter
Bey and Hauser on 2 ways

[Hal14]

If Parker doesn't come in the best shape of his life, he is a idiot.. No one can be that dumb right?? meanwhile I will reserve judgment on every single unproven commodity until proven one way or the other.

while all our backup 4 men need to prove stuff and all are completely different. at the very least there are more choices than we have had in a few years at least. Thanks to GOAT Stevens..

If just one of the group jump out, we are blessed.

Fernando/Hauser/Hernangomez/Grant/Anthony Brown if he signs with us/Morgan/Parker

They will compete in training camp. Let the best man win. Competition is good. Each guy will be pushing and trying to prove themself. Out staff will watch and see who's better than who, and then make the right decisions.

[big-shot-ROB]

I know that its a highlight film, but did you notice that an extremely high percentage of this 3's never touch the rim? Good form, weak on 1 on 1 defense, but that can be hid. We may be looking at our next 2-way player. I also like him better than Morgan, but I like Morgan better than G. Will if that tells you anything.

After the Yabusele fiasco I thought we had learned to take with a grain of salt anything coming from the French basketball league.

oh c'mon, you can't be serious. Just because ONE guy didn't work out you're going to completely write off every player from the country that just won the silver medal in the Olympics forever?

Yabusele didn't work out but Gobert did. Fournier did. Tony Parker did. Nic Batum did. Boris Diaw did. Mickael Pietrus did.

Begarin shows good promise. So does Ousmane Dieng, a projected lottery pick in the 2022 draft. And so does Victor Wembanyama, who is already projected to be the no. 1 pick in the 2023 draft - Wembanyama is currently playing in the french league and most people are saying he'll be the best player in the draft since Zion - Wembanyama outplayed Chet Holmgren at the U19 world cup this past summer, and Holmgren is a projected top 2 pick in the 2022 draft.

But nah, anyone from the french league is garbage

We weren't talking about a prospect. We were talking about Brown, an already flopped NBA player putting up numbers on one of the weakest leagues in Europe.

And I was talking about mainly highlights, but you just took my quote and built a hole story. Where am I stating that anything coming from the french league is garbage? All I said was that we should take numebrs and highlights lightly.

[Bohemian]

Another thread that is waiting for trining camp to be resurrected

[Celts17Pride]

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[zoyathedestroya]

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Kindly grant us another championship or ten.

[bisme37]

Sports Illustrated is releasing their annual Top 100 players list. 50-100 is out and we have one guy... Smart at #60. The rest of the list will come out soon I'd imagine.

60. Marcus Smart, Boston Celtics

Smart is often recognized as the Celtics’ heart and soul, a feisty, protean guard who shares the psychology of an outside linebacker. If the work is dirty, Smart won’t mind sticking his face in it. Now entering his prime with an outside shot that remains up and down from year to year, Smart’s physical tenacity (and relatively unnoticed playmaking chops) still endears him to teammates and coaches, even when he’s a bit too overzealous with the jumper. — MP

BTW, Kemba is #69 and Fournier is #91.

Full list:
https://www.si.com/nba/2021/09/20/ranking-best-nba-players-top-100-2022

[Parliament10]

Sports Illustrated is releasing their annual Top 100 players list. 50-100 is out and we have one guy... Smart at #60. The rest of the list will come out soon I'd imagine.

60. Marcus Smart, Boston Celtics

Smart is often recognized as the Celtics’ heart and soul, a feisty, protean guard who shares the psychology of an outside linebacker. If the work is dirty, Smart won’t mind sticking his face in it. Now entering his prime with an outside shot that remains up and down from year to year, Smart’s physical tenacity (and relatively unnoticed playmaking chops) still endears him to teammates and coaches, even when he’s a bit too overzealous with the jumper. — MP

BTW, Kemba is #69 and Fournier is #91.

Full list:
https://www.si.com/nba/2021/09/20/ranking-best-nba-players-top-100-2022

So, any of our other Guys would be in the Top 50, or not on the list?



Edit:
Looks like 50-31, is coming out tomorrow.
They're probably going to Spread it over 4 days.

[bisme37]

Sports Illustrated is releasing their annual Top 100 players list. 50-100 is out and we have one guy... Smart at #60. The rest of the list will come out soon I'd imagine.

60. Marcus Smart, Boston Celtics

Smart is often recognized as the Celtics’ heart and soul, a feisty, protean guard who shares the psychology of an outside linebacker. If the work is dirty, Smart won’t mind sticking his face in it. Now entering his prime with an outside shot that remains up and down from year to year, Smart’s physical tenacity (and relatively unnoticed playmaking chops) still endears him to teammates and coaches, even when he’s a bit too overzealous with the jumper. — MP

BTW, Kemba is #69 and Fournier is #91.

Full list:
https://www.si.com/nba/2021/09/20/ranking-best-nba-players-top-100-2022

So, any of our other Guys would be in the Top 50, or not on the list?

Yeah apparently. JT and JB will be in the top 50 of course. I thought Horford or Schroder or Richardson might crack the top 100 but unless they somehow come in between 40-50 it looks like they missed the cut. I'd like to think Rob will be on the list next year, health permitting.