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[bondom34]

Philly's in a must-win situation now. They can't be focused on showing Simmons who's boss; they need to focus on being a championship contender. Not saying they should rush into a bad trade, but the longer they wait, the worse it'll get, and the more likely they end up settling for a mediocre option.

Well, that's sort of the point.

If the goal is to win, and none of the returns put them in that situation (McCollum isn't, Brogdon isn't, etc), then getting a "worse" return doesn't ultimately change anything. If it's an inadequate return for that single goal the level of inadequacy doesn't much matter other than trying to make themselves look better, which shouldn't be a goal.

If McCollum won't be enough for a title (he won'), or John Wall for example won't be enough for a title, it doesn't "really" matter which they take, and if offers get worse it doesn't change the either/or in the end goal. And right now we're a the absolute peak of pre-season optimism where everyone thinks their team is awesome.

And that's why I think extending the asset until that guys are available is the move. I think the more time Ben actually starts missing the more teams are going to hard ball/become disinterested.

Though I have a hard time seeing Ben see this through and actually sit games without pay

I think I'm with the last line, I still struggle seeing him sit without pay. But I have no clue what return they go for (and I'm kind of starting to get the idea of a futures based return.

What we heard today isn't news, we all knew it. And in December when a few teams are 5-10 games under .500 realizing they're not as good as they thought things might change. Still my guess.

[psman2]

How about this 3 team deal with the Kings and Hawks?

Philadelphia trades Simmons and gets Haliburton, Gallinari, and Reddish.

Sacramento trades Haliburton, Barnes, and top 8 protected 2022 1st and gets Simmons.

Atlanta trades Gallinari and Reddish and gets Barnes and SAC protected 2022 1st.

The 76ers get a young playmaker in Haliburton and rope in the Hawks to get a young wing defender in Reddish.

The Kings beat the other offers by being the first team to actually offer a premium player to get Morey to budge without mortgaging their future too much.

The Hawks move a guy they want to move in Gallinari for someone younger (and easier to move later) and a pick at the cost of giving up Reddish.

I got Philly cutting out Atlanta here. I got Barnes>>Gallo and the SAC 1st >>Reddish.

I think the Sac offer is fair depending on the protections on the pick and if offered could be the best offer.

[nolang1]

My opinion is Morey overplayed his hand with an asset with diminishing value in Ben Simmons. The real time to move Simmons was before the NBA draft in my opinion. Morey kept asking for ridiculous returns and was turned away. Now Morey has put the Sixers in a really tough spot. Offers will be pennies on the dollar and Simmons most likely will sit out.

Question, if Ben Simmons is forced to play for the Sixers in order to get payed what kind of player are the Sixers going to get? Could see Simmons playing 30 minutes and putting up 4 ppg, 3 rpg and 4apg stats. Can't fine a player for playing poorly. Sixers need to find a solution in a hurry.

Just my opinion.

I mean, it's possible that none of the real offers for Simmons have been particularly good thus far-- everyone on the board seems to want to offer a set of rotation-level players plus a pick or two, and that's not what you trade a young all-star for even if he's disgruntled. But now that Simmons is adding off-court issues (not reporting) to add onto his on-court issues (not shooting), there's no reason for any team to increase their offers.

So you really just need to wait for someone else to become available-- wait for Lillard or Beal to ask out, or for Westbrook to not work out in LA, or for Chicago to self-implode, or for Boston to start slowly again. The Sixers can survive a regular season without Simmons as long as Embiid stays somewhat healthy, they just need a deal by the deadline. Maybe by then Maxey has grown enough to be the starting PG.

There just weren't that many teams that wanted Simmons in the first place. Even the most charitable view of him wouldn't consider him to be too underpaid on a max contract, and any team with Simmons as its best player would be a play-in contender. The Rockets were in a clear rebuilding situation last year and chose an assortment of likely late firsts over Simmons (when his trade value was clearly higher than it is now), and any contending team that tries to get him already has to gamble on Simmons adjusting to play some off-ball role he's never played in his career, so they're not going all-in either.

If Philadelphia is waiting for some team to blow it up, they'd be better off trading Simmons now for some young players/picks who would be more attractive to a rebuilding team. If they wait until the trade deadline, they're either punting on a prime Embiid year while Brooklyn/Milwaukee open up an insurmountable lead for homecourt advantage or they're fine without Simmons, in which case why would anyone be trading for a max contract guy who's an offensive liability in the playoffs and whose team is fine without him during the regular season?

[Threezus]

How about this 3 team deal with the Kings and Hawks?

Philadelphia trades Simmons and gets Haliburton, Gallinari, and Reddish.

Sacramento trades Haliburton, Barnes, and top 8 protected 2022 1st and gets Simmons.

Atlanta trades Gallinari and Reddish and gets Barnes and SAC protected 2022 1st.

The 76ers get a young playmaker in Haliburton and rope in the Hawks to get a young wing defender in Reddish.

The Kings beat the other offers by being the first team to actually offer a premium player to get Morey to budge without mortgaging their future too much.

The Hawks move a guy they want to move in Gallinari for someone younger (and easier to move later) and a pick at the cost of giving up Reddish.

I got Philly cutting out Atlanta here. I got Barnes>>Gallo and the SAC 1st >>Reddish.

I think the Sac offer is fair depending on the protections on the pick and if offered could be the best offer.

I think this is the right move and as a Hawks fan i honestly wouldn't want that deal for Gallo and Reddish. Until i get to see Reddish under Nate for a full year im not moving him unless it's for a package deal for a allstar or superstar to add to Trae and company.

[deadfeather]

What about a straight swap with Portland?
Ben and Tobi for Dame and CJ? The value seems fair as the difference in value between Tobi and CJ makes up for the difference in value between Ben and Dame? Would the fit be right for both teams if they did this? Philly seems to have a glut of talented guards so maybe they say no?

[psman2]

What about a straight swap with Portland?
Ben and Tobi for Dame and CJ? The value seems fair as the difference in value between Tobi and CJ makes up for the difference in value between Ben and Dame? Would the fit be right for both teams if they did this? Philly seems to have a glut of talented guards so maybe they say no?

I got CJ and Tobias in the same trade value tier. Personally, I got Harris slightly higher, but really tasters choice here depending on team needs. The value between Simmons and Dame is around two mid 1st in value imo. However Portland is going nowhere with Simmons and Harris as their best players, so I doubt they would be interested. Portland likely goes nuclear in a Dame trade and do a full tear down and opt for a pick based package and trade all the vets and tank hard.

[Roy The Natural]

What about a straight swap with Portland?
Ben and Tobi for Dame and CJ? The value seems fair as the difference in value between Tobi and CJ makes up for the difference in value between Ben and Dame? Would the fit be right for both teams if they did this? Philly seems to have a glut of talented guards so maybe they say no?

I got CJ and Tobias in the same trade value tier. Personally, I got Harris slightly higher, but really tasters choice here depending on team needs. The value between Simmons and Dame is around two mid 1st in value imo. However Portland is going nowhere with Simmons and Harris as the best players, so I doubt they would be interested. Portland likely goes nuclear in a Dame trade and do a full tear down and opt for a pick based package and trade all the vets and tank hard.

Yup... I've got the difference in value between Dame and Simmons much higher than that, but it's clearly a big gap, and one that can't be easily bridged and doesn't fit the team direction of Portland after a Lillard trade goes down. Tobias and CJ are about equal... you could argue that Tobias is a smidge better, but also is paid more.

[Ballerhogger]

Now that he has stated he won’t come back ever …. I think the 76ers will need to move him sooner than later

[Ballerhogger]

Getting CJ right now would be home run for the 76ers .I think the kings and lower value is the market for Ben

[Tomjas]

Now that he has stated he won’t come back ever …. I think the 76ers will need to move him sooner than later

It’s been obvious for a couple of months so nothing has changed

[Ballerhogger]

What about a straight swap with Portland?
Ben and Tobi for Dame and CJ? The value seems fair as the difference in value between Tobi and CJ makes up for the difference in value between Ben and Dame? Would the fit be right for both teams if they did this? Philly seems to have a glut of talented guards so maybe they say no?

I brought this up earlier 76ers fans wanted more …

[psman2]

Getting CJ right now would be home run for the 76ers .I think the kings and lower value is the market for Ben

I would take a picks/young player package 100 out of 100 times over CJ. If you are settling for CJ you might as well just trade Embiid because that team is winning nothing. CJ's playoff performances have been as dubious as Simmons. Better to stay fluid with future assets and wait for the next star to come on the market and have the ammo to get it done. Embiid/Harris can keep the sixers afloat until the next trade.

[deadfeather]

What about a straight swap with Portland?
Ben and Tobi for Dame and CJ? The value seems fair as the difference in value between Tobi and CJ makes up for the difference in value between Ben and Dame? Would the fit be right for both teams if they did this? Philly seems to have a glut of talented guards so maybe they say no?

I brought this up earlier 76ers fans wanted more …

The problem I see with Philly is what are they going to do with CJ when they have Maxey, Mattise and Curry already in the rotation? I think the positional fit works well for Portland as their roster desperately needs a good forward like Tobi. So I can see why Philly fans would want more. I dont think however Portland has any first rounders and there isnt really anything else on their roster Philly would want.

[zimpy27]

What about a straight swap with Portland?
Ben and Tobi for Dame and CJ? The value seems fair as the difference in value between Tobi and CJ makes up for the difference in value between Ben and Dame? Would the fit be right for both teams if they did this? Philly seems to have a glut of talented guards so maybe they say no?

I brought this up earlier 76ers fans wanted more …

The problem I see with Philly is what are they going to do with CJ when they have Maxey, Mattise and Curry already in the rotation? I think the positional fit works well for Portland as their roster desperately needs a good forward like Tobi. So I can see why Philly fans would want more. I dont think however Portland has any first rounders and there isnt really anything else on their roster Philly would want.

Matisse can be an SF. But I think to play two undersized SGs in Curry and Maxey means that they need defensive playmaking guards or wings in return for Simmons

[Ballerhogger]

What about a straight swap with Portland?
Ben and Tobi for Dame and CJ? The value seems fair as the difference in value between Tobi and CJ makes up for the difference in value between Ben and Dame? Would the fit be right for both teams if they did this? Philly seems to have a glut of talented guards so maybe they say no?

I brought this up earlier 76ers fans wanted more …

The problem I see with Philly is what are they going to do with CJ when they have Maxey, Mattise and Curry already in the rotation? I think the positional fit works well for Portland as their roster desperately needs a good forward like Tobi. So I can see why Philly fans would want more. I dont think however Portland has any first rounders and there isnt really anything else on their roster Philly would want.

you could bring maxey or curry or Cj off bench . CJ would have 6th man of the year locked up

[deadfeather]

I brought this up earlier 76ers fans wanted more …

The problem I see with Philly is what are they going to do with CJ when they have Maxey, Mattise and Curry already in the rotation? I think the positional fit works well for Portland as their roster desperately needs a good forward like Tobi. So I can see why Philly fans would want more. I dont think however Portland has any first rounders and there isnt really anything else on their roster Philly would want.

you could bring maxey or curry or Cj off bench . CJ would have 6th man of the year locked up

POR out: Dame and CJ
POR in: Simmons and Tobi

PHI out: Ben and Tobi
PHI in: Dame and KP

DAL out: KP
DAL in: CJ

Who says no?

[nolang1]

What about a straight swap with Portland?
Ben and Tobi for Dame and CJ? The value seems fair as the difference in value between Tobi and CJ makes up for the difference in value between Ben and Dame? Would the fit be right for both teams if they did this? Philly seems to have a glut of talented guards so maybe they say no?

I got CJ and Tobias in the same trade value tier. Personally, I got Harris slightly higher, but really tasters choice here depending on team needs. The value between Simmons and Dame is around two mid 1st in value imo. However Portland is going nowhere with Simmons and Harris as the best players, so I doubt they would be interested. Portland likely goes nuclear in a Dame trade and do a full tear down and opt for a pick based package and trade all the vets and tank hard.

Yes this is the Simmons issue in a nutshell: if you're trading a player better than Simmons and looking towards the future, you're better off bottoming out than trying to build the perfect team around Simmons so you can win like 44 games and lose in the first round someday. Houston made that exact same choice last year and I doubt they regret it one bit.

At this point Philly is either going to have to suck it up and add some picks/young players to Simmons to get a star (like they should've done for Harden in the first place) or trade Simmons for the best young talent they can get + a point guard who's considered a negative asset but will look good playing off of Embiid.

[Ballerhogger]

The problem I see with Philly is what are they going to do with CJ when they have Maxey, Mattise and Curry already in the rotation? I think the positional fit works well for Portland as their roster desperately needs a good forward like Tobi. So I can see why Philly fans would want more. I dont think however Portland has any first rounders and there isnt really anything else on their roster Philly would want.

you could bring maxey or curry or Cj off bench . CJ would have 6th man of the year locked up

POR out: Dame and CJ
POR in: Simmons and Tobi

PHI out: Ben and Tobi
PHI in: Dame and KP

DAL out: KP
DAL in: CJ

Who says no?

The blazers they are trying keep dame.......

[Roy The Natural]

The problem I see with Philly is what are they going to do with CJ when they have Maxey, Mattise and Curry already in the rotation? I think the positional fit works well for Portland as their roster desperately needs a good forward like Tobi. So I can see why Philly fans would want more. I dont think however Portland has any first rounders and there isnt really anything else on their roster Philly would want.

you could bring maxey or curry or Cj off bench . CJ would have 6th man of the year locked up

POR out: Dame and CJ
POR in: Simmons and Tobi

PHI out: Ben and Tobi
PHI in: Dame and KP

DAL out: KP
DAL in: CJ

Who says no?

I wouldn't trade Lillard for Tobi & Simmons even if I could attach to Lillard a bad contract. This is an easy no for Portland from not only a value standpoint, but a team direction standpoint.

[Ballerhogger]

the whole idea is to get dame help..... If the blazers had to had future pick so be it.... but CJ for ben is the best its ever going to get. Joel wants to win now. He already did the process he doesn't want to go back