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Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4

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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1881 » by eyeatoma » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:15 pm

FireMorey wrote:When I read that Yaron Weitzman piece about Simmons and all the crazy stuff that was in there. How he didn't respond well to criticism. How he didn't train with the guy the Sixers wanted him to train with and would only work with his guy. That piece made Simmons look pretty bad.

And when Morey comes into the organization and learns about all this(if he didn't already know before being hired) his first thought should have been "I have a radioactive player on my roster whose value could go through the floor at any moment, I need to get rid of this guy immediately while he still has value." I mean, c'mon.

Ben Simmons is the top person to blame here. The guy is overrated, he's soft, he's a loser, and all that. But when you bring in a guy with Morey's pedigree, it's his job to foresee all this stuff. The Ben Simmons situation is far and away the most important and biggest thing he inherited coming to Philadelphia, and fast forward and the situation is an utter disaster. It should have never gotten to this point.

You have an egomaniac player who has yet to admit he needs to improve and is so narcissistic he'd burn all bridges around him to stay in his own denial.

And you have stubborn GM who thought he was the smartest guy in the room, and he could put out arrogant little tweets about how amazing Ben Simmons is trying to front like he'd be perfectly fine keeping him, thinking he'll be able to get what he wants for him.

And the end result is one of the ugliest situations in recent Philly sports memory.


I generally agree with you on these things, but you have absolutely zero evidence that Morey botched the Harden trade. If Houston wouldn't trade with him, it's not his fault. I really don't think Morey was willing to let Ben's agent tell him he was getting traded, just to have him come back to the team.

Wait until the trade happens to skewer Morey.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1882 » by Negrodamus » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:19 pm

Jesus, he's being a bit of a baby about this. Just shoot the goddamn ball dude. We're begging you to be an aggressive scorer. I feel like this is bizarro world.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1883 » by Tomjas » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:36 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Jesus, he's being a bit of a baby about this. Just shoot the goddamn ball dude. We're begging you to be an aggressive scorer. I feel like this is bizarro world.


Morey has been trying to trade him for the better part of a year

He was never coming back

What’s more, if the Sixers wanted him to then maybe they should try talking to him

But they’re not even doing that
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1884 » by Ballerhogger » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:44 pm

SixthStreet wrote:This situation is really begging for a one year tank, if the idea is really to maximize Joel's championship window. Frankly, I consider the championship equity this year to round to 0 even if Simmons plays, so why not fake an Embiid injury to redshirt him and let Simmons hold out while you try to find a trade? Next year you get Embiid back, add a high lotto pick, plus whatever you get for Simmons eventually, probably be able to move Harris too, the kids play and get sharpened by high minutes.

The only reason this wouldn't be an option is if Joel just says no, I'm not doing that.

if they tank Joel, he will walk. Joel wants to be like hakeem etc his time is now.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1885 » by Ballerhogger » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:46 pm

Murray_17 wrote:This is seriously stupid from Ben and his camp.

Yeah, we're probably end trading him for peanuts, yeah we probably lost the option to add another all star. But even guys like Harden and Davis with all the leverage in the world reported on their teams and, even when not playing, were forced to train and stuff.

Good luck to Ben trying to get another big contract after this. This is just kamikaze non sense stuff.

Yea i mean the hate between the two camps must be at all time high for him to say this but he will get still get paid hes too good.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1886 » by Stanford » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:46 pm

Ballerhogger wrote:if they tank Joel, he will walk.


Inside info?
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1887 » by Murray_17 » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:49 pm

NW wrote:Rich Paul, via Jay Williams, says they’ll do whatever it takes to get out of Philly.




LOL

"I'm not trying to make excuses"

:lol:

I wonder if those guys listen to the **** they're saying.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1888 » by Negrodamus » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:51 pm

Tomjas wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:Jesus, he's being a bit of a baby about this. Just shoot the goddamn ball dude. We're begging you to be an aggressive scorer. I feel like this is bizarro world.


Morey has been trying to trade him for the better part of a year

He was never coming back

What’s more, if the Sixers wanted him to then maybe they should try talking to him

But they’re not even doing that


What I've read is that he's not taking calls or meetings with anyone since the owners went out to California to talk with him. He's set to make $33 mil next year. Just shoot the ball please.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1889 » by Murray_17 » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:52 pm

Tomjas wrote:
Morey has been trying to trade him for the better part of a year

He was never coming back

What’s more, if the Sixers wanted him to then maybe they should try talking to him

But they’re not even doing that



Dude doesn't want to talk back to the team since august, this has been extensively reported....
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1890 » by Kobblehead » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:54 pm

Tomjas wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:Jesus, he's being a bit of a baby about this. Just shoot the goddamn ball dude. We're begging you to be an aggressive scorer. I feel like this is bizarro world.


Morey has been trying to trade him for the better part of a year

He was never coming back

What’s more, if the Sixers wanted him to then maybe they should try talking to him

But they’re not even doing that

Lmao he's been ghosting them since the end of the season. They can't get a hold of him! Just shows his maturity.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1891 » by Soca » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:57 pm

Iverson Armband wrote:Guys.. life ain’t fair. And the NBA life (for fans) certainly isn’t.

The Sixers don’t have leverage here simply because you want them to. You can’t fine this guy for the whole year lol, there is NO precedent for this. Morey waited it out as long as he could, but now the jig is up. He overplayed his hand on a diminishing asset, get the best deal you can now and pray Maxey steps up in a big way.


Agreed.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1892 » by Ballerhogger » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:59 pm

Stanford wrote:
Ballerhogger wrote:if they tank Joel, he will walk.


Inside info?
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so you think he will stay for tank year? oh come on sir. . He was a inury away from being the mvp..That's not what he wants to do right now. He shown he wants to win. tanking a year is not what he had in mind.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1893 » by Tomjas » Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:02 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
Tomjas wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:Jesus, he's being a bit of a baby about this. Just shoot the goddamn ball dude. We're begging you to be an aggressive scorer. I feel like this is bizarro world.


Morey has been trying to trade him for the better part of a year

He was never coming back

What’s more, if the Sixers wanted him to then maybe they should try talking to him

But they’re not even doing that

Lmao he's been ghosting them since the end of the season. They can't get a hold of him! Just shows his maturity.


He’s literally been training with Maxey for months

Can’t get hold of him?

Suuuuuure
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1894 » by Kobblehead » Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:03 pm

Maxey is a Klutch client, bro. Simmons has been ignoring contact from the Sixers front office. It's been reported all summer.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1895 » by Stanford » Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:03 pm

Ballerhogger wrote:so you think he will stay for tank year?


It would be out of character for him to do what Ben is doing right now.

But you seem to know him personally, so you would know better than me.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1896 » by Ballerhogger » Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:05 pm

Stanford wrote:
Ballerhogger wrote:so you think he will stay for tank year?


It would be out of character for him to do what Ben is doing right now.

But you seem to know him personally, so you would know better than me.

I mean looking from logical standpoint a guy who almost won a mvp is willing take a off year ? How does that make sense from logical standpoint , with all due respect.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1897 » by Negrodamus » Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:05 pm

He thrives under a little pressure/challenge from his coach and colleagues, but not TOO much pressure. You know what I mean? Also that pressure will not influence him advancing his game in anyway at all. The ultimate competitor.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1898 » by Jailblazers7 » Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:15 pm

The worst part of all this is that the Embiid/Ben era wasn’t even fun. The team has been a chore to watch because the on court product was so clunky, the team has been plagued by frustrating scandals left and right, and even during the exciting early years we were getting our asses kicked by Boston or having one of the most miraculous shots in history knock us out of the playoffs.

Ben will probably get traded to some awful team for way too cheap, look better when they cater to his strengths, and sign another max deal in 4 years when nobody cares about this whole saga because he seems like a good player again.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1899 » by FireMorey » Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:21 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
FireMorey wrote:When I read that Yaron Weitzman piece about Simmons and all the crazy stuff that was in there. How he didn't respond well to criticism. How he didn't train with the guy the Sixers wanted him to train with and would only work with his guy. That piece made Simmons look pretty bad.

And when Morey comes into the organization and learns about all this(if he didn't already know before being hired) his first thought should have been "I have a radioactive player on my roster whose value could go through the floor at any moment, I need to get rid of this guy immediately while he still has value." I mean, c'mon.

Ben Simmons is the top person to blame here. The guy is overrated, he's soft, he's a loser, and all that. But when you bring in a guy with Morey's pedigree, it's his job to foresee all this stuff. The Ben Simmons situation is far and away the most important and biggest thing he inherited coming to Philadelphia, and fast forward and the situation is an utter disaster. It should have never gotten to this point.

You have an egomaniac player who has yet to admit he needs to improve and is so narcissistic he'd burn all bridges around him to stay in his own denial.

And you have stubborn GM who thought he was the smartest guy in the room, and he could put out arrogant little tweets about how amazing Ben Simmons is trying to front like he'd be perfectly fine keeping him, thinking he'll be able to get what he wants for him.

And the end result is one of the ugliest situations in recent Philly sports memory.


I generally agree with you on these things, but you have absolutely zero evidence that Morey botched the Harden trade. If Houston wouldn't trade with him, it's not his fault. I really don't think Morey was willing to let Ben's agent tell him he was getting traded, just to have him come back to the team.

Wait until the trade happens to skewer Morey.


I have no proof of it, but all the people who've reported on the subject I respect have all essentially said the same thing.

Woj, Shams, Bodner, Neubeck, Rockets beat writer whose name I forget. They all essentially said that the Rockets wanted Ben, the same picks that the Nets gave, and Maxey as the package. And Morey wasn't willing to part with the same picks and/or Maxey.

And people have said well if I'm Morey I couldn't give that up either. And ok, that's fine. But you have to realize that's the biggest reason they're in the situation they are in right now. That Harden situation was in all likelihood their last chance to pair Embiid with a superstar realistically. I think Morey overplayed his hand and thought superstars would pry free and would be chomping at the bit to play with Embiid. Since the summer, all reports have indicated that. How many insiders have reported Morey wants Lillard desperately. Combine that with the fact that they haven't traded Simmons yet, it's obvious Morey is waiting for that trade to come along.

I got news for him. Even if Lillard does do an about face and asks to be traded. Simmons' value as a centerpiece in a deal probably isn't even enough to get it done now anyway. There are so many teams out there who could put one player on the table and it would be over for the Sixers. If Boston trades Brown, if the Warriors trade all the young guys they just drafted. If Minny trades Edwards, if the Kings trade Fox or Haliburton.

The entire league is watching Simmons look like a spoiled selfish brat and his value declines by the day. Yet Morey somehow thought playing hard to get was the smart play here.

And if you wanna throw the Harden stuff out because there's no proof, fine. But I'll ask: what's more likely? The Sixers simply got outbid... like a normal bidding war. Or Fertitta concocted a plot to screw over Morey, string him along for weeks pretending like he'd trade him to the Sixers and then screw him at the 11th hour?

And even taking the Harden stuff out... again, Simmons should've been traded last offseason. The day Morey walked in the door and got the lowdown on Simmons, I'd have been on the phone with every team. Probably could've gotten Fox and a pick then too.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#1900 » by Kobblehead » Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:21 pm

Won't ever consider this the Embiid/Simmons era because Ben was never good enough to be the 2nd leading scorer on any of those teams. It will be the Embiid/Redick era turned Embiid/Harris era.

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