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[Gravy]

Timmy is number 79 on that list. Nobody is mad that we let him go...former draft pick...actually plays a big role on a playoff team...actually plays next to Doncic...no one, ok lol

F*ck THJr.

We have the better version of that kind of player in Fournier.

Overpaid and overplayed trash.

Timmy hate is strong af

[Kampuchea]

It's NY- lots of our guys will either get severely overrated or underrated for the clicks.

RJ will move from out of top 100 to into top 30 if he improves again, going straight into overrated by the media.

They'll be making Julius MVP candidate.

[Kampuchea]

THJ is alright. Would any sane GM trade RJ for THJ? Not only is RJ matched favorably with THJ based on production right now, but RJ is expected to improve.

Not counting on natural improvement from RJ, I'd take RJ but it is close enough to debate.

Counting on natural player improvements and age, I'd take RJ and it's not close at all.

Either way, RJ being out of the top 100 and THJ being 79 lets you know what you need to about that list.

[Clyde_Style]

I'll say this, this is a team that Thibs doesn't have to worry about guys showing up out-of-shape. Actually I think all our guys are top tier when it comes to being physically in shape and putting in the work. Can't think of anyone who he will have a problem with.

So you’re saying Sweetney has no shot at making a comeback now?

[Clyde_Style]

Otherwise, I'm legit psyched for this upcoming season.

The Knicks should be able to put 4 decent (at least) shooters on the floor at all times and pretty easy to have 3 guys on the floor at all times who can put the ball on the floor and create for themselves and others.

If Thibs got all wacky, for Thibs, Knicks could put Randle at the 5 and Obi at the 4 and have 5 shooters on the floor, but it will never happen.

And I see Fournier as not only upgrading Bullocks, but more upgrading RJ as an effective wing and then RJ upgrading Bullock.

And RJ becomes a 3rd and even at times 4th option, reducing the pressure, the quality of defenders on him and sort of counterintuitively, helping him to grow as a player.

Players who can shoot
Walker/Rose
Fournier/Burks
RJ/IQ
Randle/Obi? (I think he'll take it up a notch)
Situational shooting contributors: Knox, Grimes, McBride

That 7->11 guys who can shoot it to one degree or another, but all at least "good"

Players who can create for themselves/others
Walker/Rose
Fournier/Burks
Randle

RJ - somewhat
Again - should be at least 3 guys on the floor at any give time who can do that.


Still think this team can win 48-50 games.
Health permitting.

Aside from Randle having a higher scoring average, it is not hard to imagine a significant number of guys averaging in the range of 12-16 points on this team with all them capable of being the hot hand on any given night. I would not be surprised if we have one of the more balanced scoring squads in the league.

Kemba
Rose
Fournier
RJ
IQ
Burks

All fit into that framework AFAIK tell

And even Mitch can average 10+ if he stays healthy

[stuporman]

Everywhere you turn people slandering RJ from the moment he donned the Knicks cap that he collecting more chips than a bag of cookies.

[Clyde_Style]

THJ is alright. Would any sane GM trade RJ for THJ? Not only is RJ matched favorably with THJ based on production right now, but RJ is expected to improve.

Not counting on natural improvement from RJ, I'd take RJ but it is close enough to debate.

Counting on natural player improvements and age, I'd take RJ and it's not close at all.

Either way, RJ being out of the top 100 and THJ being 79 lets you know what you need to about that list.

RJ is a two-way player who can board and defend and with some ability to facilitate

Timmy is merely a streak shooter, not much of anything else

[Gravy]

THJ is alright. Would any sane GM trade RJ for THJ? Not only is RJ matched favorably with THJ based on production right now, but RJ is expected to improve.

Not counting on natural improvement from RJ, I'd take RJ but it is close enough to debate.

Counting on natural player improvements and age, I'd take RJ and it's not close at all.

Either way, RJ being out of the top 100 and THJ being 79 lets you know what you need to about that list.

RJ only has two years so far, I expect him to surpass Timmy's overall effectiveness if he hasnt already. Having Kemba and Fournier on the team should help open up RJ's game too.

[stuporman]

Oh.... and RJ is actually a few months younger than Hali... the kid is still so young yet his upside and potential growth is almost completely ignored outside of Knick fans.

[Clyde_Style]

Oh.... and RJ is actually a few months younger than Hali... the kid is still so young yet his upside and potential growth is almost completely ignored outside of Knick fans.

He’ll never be quicksilver, but he can train to increase quickness. I feel like he has been burdened with lowered expectations by some because he doesn’t have a naturally explosive first step. There are so many Hall of Famers with less athletic ability than RJ that I don’t really pay it much mind. I do think he has the potential to really surprise some of his skeptics.

[Appleshampoo]

I don't remember the drama exactly between RJ and Fizdale. Something like Fizdale's coaching staff changed RJ's shot mechanics against the recommendation of personal trainers.

But ESPN loves Fizdale and continues to underrate RJ. Just a thought.

[stuporman]

Oh.... and RJ is actually a few months younger than Hali... the kid is still so young yet his upside and potential growth is almost completely ignored outside of Knick fans.

He’ll never be quicksilver, but he can train to increase quickness. I feel like he has been burdened with lowered expectations by some because he doesn’t have a naturally explosive first step. There are so many Hall of Famers with less athletic ability than RJ that I don’t really pay it much mind. I do think he has the potential to really surprise some of his skeptics.

Paul Pierce didn't have a quick first step and wasn't especially explosive but he became a HOFer so skill and intelligence can go a long way. Heck, even Hali isn't very quick or explosive but his potential and upside seems to not be as disregarded as RJ's is.

[KnicksGadfly]

Timmy is number 79 on that list. Nobody is mad that we let him go...former draft pick...actually plays a big role on a playoff team...actually plays next to Doncic...no one, ok lol

F*ck THJr.

We have the better version of that kind of player in Fournier.

Overpaid and overplayed trash.

Timmy hate is strong af

Hell yea it is. And it don’t mean it ain’t unjustified either. Dallas is going nowhere. And it ain’t Luka’s fault, let’s put it that way

[NYKnickerbocker]

We always asked Timmy to do more than his talent level was capable of. Never really hated him. He’s best as a 3rd 4th option like he is on the Mavs. Was half decent for the KP half season run as our #2. Went to **** once he was asked to be the guy tho

[Bob Ross]

Hot damn finally going to a game this year yall. Last game I was at, Eddy Curry was on the team

[Zenzibar]

On my watch list is this coaching staff and front office execs.

They did absolute work last season in player development, defensive rating, bench scoring diff, etc. and just causing a stir around the league.

Thibs, Johnnie Bryant and Kenny Payne, wow they did work. My expectations are much the same this year, more improvements.

Except 4 Thibs, they were all offered jobs elsewhere, but chose to continue Leon's layed out plan. Kudos to them, and incredible fortune for us Knicks fans.

Camp started for these cats months ago, but nothing like what Thibs and Co. have in store for them soon.

Kemba alone is huge! He's another coach to help in the development of IQ, RJ and them.

I'm really starting to believe that people are under rating the jump WE made.

[dukeknicksirish]

I like how Julius is slimming down to become more of a 3 so Zion can come in and be the 4 in between him and Mitch

[Chanel Bomber]

Oh.... and RJ is actually a few months younger than Hali... the kid is still so young yet his upside and potential growth is almost completely ignored outside of Knick fans.

He’ll never be quicksilver, but he can train to increase quickness. I feel like he has been burdened with lowered expectations by some because he doesn’t have a naturally explosive first step. There are so many Hall of Famers with less athletic ability than RJ that I don’t really pay it much mind. I do think he has the potential to really surprise some of his skeptics.

Paul Pierce didn't have a quick first step and wasn't especially explosive but he became a HOFer so skill and intelligence can go a long way. Heck, even Hali isn't very quick or explosive but his potential and upside seems to not be as disregarded as RJ's is.

Paul Pierce had an elite first step, especially early in his career.

[stuporman]

He’ll never be quicksilver, but he can train to increase quickness. I feel like he has been burdened with lowered expectations by some because he doesn’t have a naturally explosive first step. There are so many Hall of Famers with less athletic ability than RJ that I don’t really pay it much mind. I do think he has the potential to really surprise some of his skeptics.

Paul Pierce didn't have a quick first step and wasn't especially explosive but he became a HOFer so skill and intelligence can go a long way. Heck, even Hali isn't very quick or explosive but his potential and upside seems to not be as disregarded as RJ's is.

Paul Pierce had an elite first step, especially early in his career.

Sure he was quicker in his youth but I wouldn't ever call his first step elite, his game was crafty dribble drive off elite shooting.

[Chanel Bomber]

Paul Pierce didn't have a quick first step and wasn't especially explosive but he became a HOFer so skill and intelligence can go a long way. Heck, even Hali isn't very quick or explosive but his potential and upside seems to not be as disregarded as RJ's is.

Paul Pierce had an elite first step, especially early in his career.

Sure he was quicker in his youth but I wouldn't ever call his first step elite, his game was crafty dribble drive off elite shooting.

His game was more based on craftiness than athleticism you're right but Pierce was a very good athlete who could blow past his man in 1v1 situations and (sometimes) explode at the rim.

Pierce was both craftier and more athletic than RJ imo.

RJ has a lot of qualities though, I wasn't trying to downplay his potential. I just think Pierce had better tools entering the NBA to carve out a HOF career.

But as you said, intelligence can go a long way and RJ has plenty. I'm confident he'll make the most of his abilities.