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[jayjaysee]

So weird to disagree with every fan base about what their team would offer and never think you’re wrong.

Oh well.

I think Dallas just landed Ben Simmons according to this thread.

[toooskies]

Financially that will not work for Philadelphia, they simply can't take back Love and give Sexton a $20 million + /yr extension. They'd be looking at something like $120 million in salaries for 4 guys. If you fill the roster out with minimum players you'd still be right at the luxury tax, and then you wouldn't be very good because Love hasn't shown that he can play meaningful minutes in a while.

I definitely don't think LivingLegend was being serious, but Morey would definitely be able to negotiate Cleveland up to Sexton + Rubio (eligible Oct 1) + filler at a minimum. Okoro or a FRP probably, too.

You could have Sexton + Love + FRPs going out from Cleveland, but Love would get dumped on a third team (i.e. Love + FRP to Orlando for GHarris and Ross).

if the cavs did trade for ben, they would not give up FRPS . The idea is to tank with simmons , how can you do that with no FRP. Getting out love deal is nice but losing all hope for the future players is not worth that.

You don't make a move to acquire an all-star unless you're trying to win.

[Ballerhogger]

I definitely don't think LivingLegend was being serious, but Morey would definitely be able to negotiate Cleveland up to Sexton + Rubio (eligible Oct 1) + filler at a minimum. Okoro or a FRP probably, too.

You could have Sexton + Love + FRPs going out from Cleveland, but Love would get dumped on a third team (i.e. Love + FRP to Orlando for GHarris and Ross).

if the cavs did trade for ben, they would not give up FRPS . The idea is to tank with simmons , how can you do that with no FRP. Getting out love deal is nice but losing all hope for the future players is not worth that.

You don't make a move to acquire an all-star unless you're trying to win.

Your not winning anything with ben as your best player.

[babyjax13]

They are not giving mutiply first round draft picks for ben Simmons that's how you get fired. They didnt do all that wheeling and dealing to trade it for ben simmons.

I assume they did it for two reasons:
(a) to cash in on a star should one become available (e.g., Ben Simmons)
(b) to add as many rotation players in the draft as they can (especially if they can draft high)

The highest odds of a star are in the top 2, the protections protect against them losing out on Banchero, Wembanyama, etc. Maybe Simmons is not a great fit (I think it can work, but it depends on Giddey's shot making) and maybe say ... Milton needs to go back to OKC, but Simmons is certainly worth a non top-4 pick in the draft and then some.

if they 76ers added maxey then fine.

I'd imagine they'd do that.

[mademan]

So weird to disagree with every fan base about what their team would offer and never think you’re wrong.

Oh well.

I think Dallas just landed Ben Simmons according to this thread.

Can Dallas even get the contracts to work? Or is the only scenario where they have even an outside shot is Philly waiting until January to trade Simmons?

[LivingLegend]

Financially that will not work for Philadelphia, they simply can't take back Love and give Sexton a $20 million + /yr extension. They'd be looking at something like $120 million in salaries for 4 guys. If you fill the roster out with minimum players you'd still be right at the luxury tax, and then you wouldn't be very good because Love hasn't shown that he can play meaningful minutes in a while.

I definitely don't think LivingLegend was being serious, but Morey would definitely be able to negotiate Cleveland up to Sexton + Rubio (eligible Oct 1) + filler at a minimum. Okoro or a FRP probably, too.

You could have Sexton + Love + FRPs going out from Cleveland, but Love would get dumped on a third team (i.e. Love + FRP to Orlando for GHarris and Ross).

if the cavs did trade for ben, they would not give up FRPS . The idea is to tank with simmons , how can you do that with no FRP. Getting out love deal is nice but losing all hope for the future players is not worth that.

Right, getting out of Love is great and his contract will be needed for any Simmons deal. It just depends on what happens after that.

I think Clevelands ideal situation if they were to make a deal is to have Garland/Simmons/Mobley as their 3 building blocks--meaning anybody else on the roster could be included in some capacity for a trade.

At the same time giving up Sexton, Love, Okoro + Some seems like waaay too much for a guy like Simmons who I like, but dont love. I also have a feeling the Cavs would also be bidding against themselves. Cleaning out the entire cupboard for a guy like Simmons who has a truckload of question marks seems silly.

[Texas Chuck]

So weird to disagree with every fan base about what their team would offer and never think you’re wrong.

Oh well.

I think Dallas just landed Ben Simmons according to this thread.

Can Dallas even get the contracts to work? Or is the only scenario where they have even an outside shot is Philly waiting until January to trade Simmons?

It's a more attractive offer imo once THJ can be included, but with a 3rd(4th?) team to help solve fit, Dallas can easily do the matching part without him.

I think jay's point is the same mine has been. We've made good faith offers and its wild to me that jay's idea is the one you are taking more issue with over some of these other offers that seem miles away...

[Ballerhogger]

So weird to disagree with every fan base about what their team would offer and never think you’re wrong.

Oh well.

I think Dallas just landed Ben Simmons according to this thread.

Can Dallas even get the contracts to work? Or is the only scenario where they have even an outside shot is Philly waiting until January to trade Simmons?

January 14th they can trade their 2nd best player on the roster and throw in (trey burke) Dwight powell for ben. The would have
Luka
Bullock
Ben i would imagine hes not playing sg....
Max Kiebler
KP.

[mademan]

So weird to disagree with every fan base about what their team would offer and never think you’re wrong.

Oh well.

I think Dallas just landed Ben Simmons according to this thread.

Can Dallas even get the contracts to work? Or is the only scenario where they have even an outside shot is Philly waiting until January to trade Simmons?

It's a more attractive offer imo once THJ can be included, but with a 3rd(4th?) team to help solve fit, Dallas can easily do the matching part without him.

I think jay's point is the same mine has been. We've made good faith offers and its wild to me that jay's idea is the one you are taking more issue with over some of these other offers that seem miles away...

I take no issue with it. Ive said multiple times that rotation player+multiple picks will be the going rate, as it has been in the past when guys demanded out including most recently Harden. THJ+pick package that includes 5 years of unprotected/swaps is fine, imo. It's not as attractive as the picks/swaps coming out of perennial losing franchises like the Kings/Wolves, but i dont think its that terrible of an offer. Biggest issue is that the Mavs cant trade picks before what, 2025?

[jayjaysee]

So weird to disagree with every fan base about what their team would offer and never think you’re wrong.

Oh well.

I think Dallas just landed Ben Simmons according to this thread.

Can Dallas even get the contracts to work? Or is the only scenario where they have even an outside shot is Philly waiting until January to trade Simmons?

Powell, Maxi, DFS, Green for Simmons is legal.

But that package is not enough. Two distant firsts can be added.

And then it’s on par with some of the (IMO) bad offers in this thread.

But then if Dallas is willing to tie in OKC and pay them to turn Powell+Green/Favors+Williams … Dallas can keep Favors using their TPE and now Philly is doing;

Simmons for Maxi, DFS, K. Williams, 2 distant firsts.

Looks a bit better saving all that money.

But Cleveland wants a wing and a first for Sexton?

So now

Sexton, Maxi, K. Williams, 1 distant first

Two two way roleplayers locked up on bargain contracts for two years, a distant first, and hopefully Sexton as the centerpiece.

I don’t actually know how to pitch it as a good idea for Philly but that was my best shot.

But Dallas can be left with;

Brunson/Burke/Terry
THJ/Brown
Luka/Bullock
Simmons/Favors (gross)
KP/WCS/Bobie/Brown

Roster obviously needs a four , preferably one exactly like Maxi K.. A quick ugly idea would be Burke+WCS+Brown+cash for Kuzma? Whatever.

[K_chile22]

Its funny to me how in the betting odds for who gets Simmons the top three are all run by people who worked for Morey

Read on Twitter

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Vegas knows who’s owns the rockets ? Wall for Simmons that’s the deal? I mean ….. that would be pure comedy

I really don't think Fertita is as mad about Morey leaving as speculation suggests. I think he's more than happy to fill the team with "His guys" that he picked, seems like that kind of ego guy. Probably why he didn't try at all to keep MDA, who is a really good coach. Wanted to hire his own coach. Now when it came to James Harden that may have been different, though no actual reporting suggests it was, just speculation, because I honestly believe if philly traded Ben+Thybulle+Maxey+ for Harden they would have won it all (Assuming Harden didn't get hurt) and maybe he didn't want to give Morey a ring. But Wall and picks? He wouldn't stand in the way of that. Morey, however, would stand in the way of that because it's not a good offer lol

[K_chile22]

Its funny to me how in the betting odds for who gets Simmons the top three are all run by people who worked for Morey

Eh, relationships really matter a lot. Would make sense that these are the most likely people to work with Morey on a deal of this magnitude right?

Sure, but Houston being so close to being the odds on favorite seems silly regardless given what they have to offer

[Ballerhogger]

Its funny to me how in the betting odds for who gets Simmons the top three are all run by people who worked for Morey

Read on Twitter

?s=19

Vegas knows who’s owns the rockets ? Wall for Simmons that’s the deal? I mean ….. that would be pure comedy

I really don't think Fertita is as mad about Morey leaving as speculation suggests. I think he's more than happy to fill the team with "His guys" that he picked, seems like that kind of ego guy. Probably why he didn't try at all to keep MDA, who is a really good coach. Wanted to hire his own coach. Now when it came to James Harden that may have been different, though no actual reporting suggests it was, just speculation, because I honestly believe if philly traded Ben+Thybulle+Maxey+ for Harden they would have won it all (Assuming Harden didn't get hurt) and maybe he didn't want to give Morey a ring. But Wall and picks? He wouldn't stand in the way of that. Morey, however, would stand in the way of that because it's not a good offer lol

A. You are right its terrible offer and does not help 76ers win .
B. I really wonder how they feel about each other behind closed doors part the nba that we dont get to see often.
C. Yes getting out Wall deal for ben and FRP is no brainer on money aspect of it .

[Ballerhogger]

Can Dallas even get the contracts to work? Or is the only scenario where they have even an outside shot is Philly waiting until January to trade Simmons?

It's a more attractive offer imo once THJ can be included, but with a 3rd(4th?) team to help solve fit, Dallas can easily do the matching part without him.

I think jay's point is the same mine has been. We've made good faith offers and its wild to me that jay's idea is the one you are taking more issue with over some of these other offers that seem miles away...

I take no issue with it. Ive said multiple times that rotation player+multiple picks will be the going rate, as it has been in the past when guys demanded out including most recently Harden. THJ+pick package that includes 5 years of unprotected/swaps is fine, imo. It's not as attractive as the picks/swaps coming out of perennial losing franchises like the Kings/Wolves, but i dont think its that terrible of an offer. Biggest issue is that the Mavs cant trade picks before what, 2025?

2024 is there next guaranteed first round draft picks. So you cant cut 76ers wanting those picks..

[Texas Chuck]

Its funny to me how in the betting odds for who gets Simmons the top three are all run by people who worked for Morey

Eh, relationships really matter a lot. Would make sense that these are the most likely people to work with Morey on a deal of this magnitude right?

Sure, but Houston being so close to being the odds on favorite seems silly regardless given what they have to offer

I guess. Houston bought really low on Harden and it paid off massively. I could see them thinking gosh if Ben's value is this low we might as well scoop him up even if we went another direction when dealing away Harden.

Like he doesn't really make ideal sense in Dallas, but I'm with jay in that if his value is really this low, I sure hope Dallas is throwing our bag at him. I think lots of teams should be making a value play if we are supposed to take at face value that Portland would turn down CJ straight up(I am never taking this at face value) because Windy said it on a pod.

[K_chile22]

Eh, relationships really matter a lot. Would make sense that these are the most likely people to work with Morey on a deal of this magnitude right?

Sure, but Houston being so close to being the odds on favorite seems silly regardless given what they have to offer

I guess. Houston bought really low on Harden and it paid off massively. I could see them thinking gosh if Ben's value is this low we might as well scoop him up even if we went another direction when dealing away Harden.

Like he doesn't really make ideal sense in Dallas, but I'm with jay in that if his value is really this low, I sure hope Dallas is throwing our bag at him. I think lots of teams should be making a value play if we are supposed to take at face value that Portland would turn down CJ straight up(I am never taking this at face value) because Windy said it on a pod.

Oh, absolutely they should try to get him, I just don't think Philly is/ should be interested in wall and picks when they can probably get less bad filler salary and at least similar picks. Maybe the Houston package is actually EG and picks (to be flipped at a later date)??

Also not sure how Ben's camp feels about Houston given MacMahon reporting saying they just didn't see him as a guy to start a rebuild around (I think they're right but I'm sure klutch disagrees lol). I'm sure if MacMahon is saying that, people in the league know how they feel

[eminence]

If Conley could be traded yet I'd be making an offer to bring Ben to Utah as well.

[toooskies]

if the cavs did trade for ben, they would not give up FRPS . The idea is to tank with simmons , how can you do that with no FRP. Getting out love deal is nice but losing all hope for the future players is not worth that.

You don't make a move to acquire an all-star unless you're trying to win.

Your not winning anything with ben as your best player.

You're not winning a title in 2022, no. But you might be a .500 team, and the expectation would be Garland or Mobley or future Ben Simmons to be better than 2021 Ben Simmons at some point if the team has any hope of being a contender.

Now, that might be a risky plan, but so is counting on the 2022 FRP of the Cavs to turn out to be a good player.

[Wolveswin]

Ben for Beal has been discussed ad nauseam. No deal to be had there. But what if Celtics come into play for Beal. Is the friendship and desire of Beal to play with Tatum get Beal to “approve” even push for a deal there now vs. later?

Would Celtics trade Brown for Beal:

Wizards Trade:
Beal + Harrell (or Bryant) + Dinwiddie
FOR
Simmons + Horford + Langford (or Nesmith) + 76ers 1sts

76ers Trade:
Simmons + Curry + 1sts
FOR
Brown + Dinwiddie

Celtics Trade:
Brown + Horford + Langford (or Nesmith)
FOR
Beal + Curry + Harrell (or Bryant)

Wizards stay win-now but with locked in younger Simmons. Plus keep a consolidation trade open with Horford 1+NG filler plus many youth/1sts they have. Make a strong play for a future disgruntled star to join Simmons and crew.

76ers get the best win-now player they can in Brown. Much better than players mentioned. Dinwiddie also fits the need and timeline.

Celtics pair Beal with Tatum.

[Godaddycurse]

Ben for Beal has been discussed ad nauseam. No deal to be had there. But what if Celtics come into play for Beal. Is the friendship and desire of Beal to play with Tatum get Beal to “approve” even push for a deal there now vs. later?

Would Celtics trade Brown for Beal:

Wizards Trade:
Beal + Harrell (or Bryant) + Dinwiddie
FOR
Simmons + Horford + Langford (or Nesmith) + 76ers 1sts

76ers Trade:
Simmons + Curry + 1sts
FOR
Brown + Dinwiddie

Celtics Trade:
Brown + Horford + Langford (or Nesmith)
FOR
Beal + Curry + Harrell (or Bryant)

Wizards stay win-now but with locked in younger Simmons. Plus keep a consolidation trade open with Horford 1+NG filler plus many youth/1sts they have. Make a strong play for a future disgruntled star to join Simmons and crew.

76ers get the best win-now player they can in Brown. Much better than players mentioned. Dinwiddie also fits the need and timeline.

Celtics pair Beal with Tatum.

Dinwiddie cant be traded until dec or jan