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[the_process]

Ben for Beal has been discussed ad nauseam. No deal to be had there. But what if Celtics come into play for Beal. Is the friendship and desire of Beal to play with Tatum get Beal to “approve” even push for a deal there now vs. later?

Would Celtics trade Brown for Beal:

Wizards Trade:
Beal + Harrell (or Bryant) + Dinwiddie
FOR
Simmons + Horford + Langford (or Nesmith) + 76ers 1sts

76ers Trade:
Simmons + Curry + 1sts
FOR
Brown + Dinwiddie

Celtics Trade:
Brown + Horford + Langford (or Nesmith)
FOR
Beal + Curry + Harrell (or Bryant)

Wizards stay win-now but with locked in younger Simmons. Plus keep a consolidation trade open with Horford 1+NG filler plus many youth/1sts they have. Make a strong play for a future disgruntled star to join Simmons and crew.

76ers get the best win-now player they can in Brown. Much better than players mentioned. Dinwiddie also fits the need and timeline.

Celtics pair Beal with Tatum.

That would be crazy. I don't think WSH can do that until the offseason though because Dinwiddie was a S&T.

[jbk1234]

This at least partially explains why we're here.

Understatement of the thread

Hey now, I'm trying to be diplomatic. Simmons is a polarizing case currently and there's some hypersensitivity percolating in the thread.

I imagine Morey has to hedge against low-ball offers, so it's critical he establishes a reputation of being unreasonable regarding Simmons, before pivoting to the GM(s) who has/have been communicating with him most frequently. A mystery team like Charlotte could also pop up out of nowhere. My money remains on the Kings. I just think a perimeter D of Simmons - Mitchell - Haliburton catapults the franchise out of a lineage of losing basketball. I'd deal Fox for him and I'd settle for Fox if I'm Morey. The peripheral pieces can be debated. We'll see...

See, I think that Morey has badly mishandled this. The absolute last thing you want to do is have your asking price, for a distressed asset, result in potential suitors walking away from the table altogether.

It's fine to refuse lowball offers, but you need the offers to keep coming. Once you've established that there's no ZOPA, further negotiation is just wasted effort from the perspective of your potential trade partners.

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[Ballerhogger]

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[Ballerhogger]

Wolves have bigger issue I wonder if this has anything to do with Simmons

[Ballerhogger]

Ben for Beal has been discussed ad nauseam. No deal to be had there. But what if Celtics come into play for Beal. Is the friendship and desire of Beal to play with Tatum get Beal to “approve” even push for a deal there now vs. later?

Would Celtics trade Brown for Beal:

Wizards Trade:
Beal + Harrell (or Bryant) + Dinwiddie
FOR
Simmons + Horford + Langford (or Nesmith) + 76ers 1sts

76ers Trade:
Simmons + Curry + 1sts
FOR
Brown + Dinwiddie

Celtics Trade:
Brown + Horford + Langford (or Nesmith)
FOR
Beal + Curry + Harrell (or Bryant)

Wizards stay win-now but with locked in younger Simmons. Plus keep a consolidation trade open with Horford 1+NG filler plus many youth/1sts they have. Make a strong play for a future disgruntled star to join Simmons and crew.

76ers get the best win-now player they can in Brown. Much better than players mentioned. Dinwiddie also fits the need and timeline.

Celtics pair Beal with Tatum.

If they were in difference conferences then sure . I don’t see them doing that though

[VDT]

People are entirely missing the point with their trash offers.

The Sixers do not care about what crap teams like the Wolves/Kings/Rockets etc have/want to offer. At least not right now. Sixers goal is to get a star that fits better and obviously to get there they need to have a star request a trade. I dont think Morey is interested in discussing a trade before that happens unless it is a no brainer. Naturally, for teams that hope to improve and expected to get Simmons for peanuts these are exorbitant prices. The reality, however, has always been that the Sixers were never a good match with any team that wants to improve, because the Sixers want to improve as well.

What is needed is aa star who requests a trade, it is hard to see the Sixers settle for less right now (it is also hard to see Simmons playing for them) because they are with their backs on the wall, both the team and Morey. If they get trash/middling pieces back they might have to trade Embiid in a year and Morey's days as a GM might be over.

[Ballerhogger]

People are entirely missing the point with their trash offers.

The Sixers do not care about what crap teams like the Wolves/Kings/Rockets etc have/want to offer. At least not right now. Sixers goal is to get a star that fits better and obviously to get there they need to have a star request a trade. I dont think Morey is interested in discussing a trade before that happens unless it is a no brainer. Naturally, for teams that hope to improve and expected to get Simmons for peanuts these are exorbitant prices. The reality, however, has always been that the Sixers were never a good match with any team that wants to improve, because the Sixers want to improve as well.

What is needed is aa star who requests a trade, it is hard to see the Sixers settle for less right now (it is also hard to see Simmons playing for them) because they are with their backs on the wall, both the team and Morey. If they get trash/middling pieces back they might have to trade Embiid in a year and Morey's days as a GM might be over.

The sixers are not getting star for Ben. That has been discussed 1000 times

[MasterIchiro]

Understatement of the thread

Hey now, I'm trying to be diplomatic. Simmons is a polarizing case currently and there's some hypersensitivity percolating in the thread.

I imagine Morey has to hedge against low-ball offers, so it's critical he establishes a reputation of being unreasonable regarding Simmons, before pivoting to the GM(s) who has/have been communicating with him most frequently. A mystery team like Charlotte could also pop up out of nowhere. My money remains on the Kings. I just think a perimeter D of Simmons - Mitchell - Haliburton catapults the franchise out of a lineage of losing basketball. I'd deal Fox for him and I'd settle for Fox if I'm Morey. The peripheral pieces can be debated. We'll see...

See, I think that Morey has badly mishandled this. The absolute last thing you want to do is have your asking price, for a distressed asset, result in potential suitors walking away from the table altogether.

It's fine to refuse lowball offers, but you need the offers to keep coming. Once you've established that there's no ZOPA, further negotiation is just wasted effort from the perspective of your potential trade partners.

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Perhaps, but we don't know if any of the calls from interested teams progressed to the extent where if Morey circles back and initiates the call and reengages a more narrow group of GMs they will pick up the phone. It would obviously be up to Morey to pivot to a lower asking price gradually and subtley. It seems the Warriors are out. But we don't know if he's treating all parties equally. Those teams don't match up as it is, because the Warriors can't return a PG who could replace Simmons in Philly. The ball will be in Steph's hands a ton. They passed on Mitchell.

[GutUNC]

People are entirely missing the point with their trash offers.

The Sixers do not care about what crap teams like the Wolves/Kings/Rockets etc have/want to offer. At least not right now. Sixers goal is to get a star that fits better and obviously to get there they need to have a star request a trade. I dont think Morey is interested in discussing a trade before that happens unless it is a no brainer. Naturally, for teams that hope to improve and expected to get Simmons for peanuts these are exorbitant prices. The reality, however, has always been that the Sixers were never a good match with any team that wants to improve, because the Sixers want to improve as well.

What is needed is aa star who requests a trade, it is hard to see the Sixers settle for less right now (it is also hard to see Simmons playing for them) because they are with their backs on the wall, both the team and Morey. If they get trash/middling pieces back they might have to trade Embiid in a year and Morey's days as a GM might be over.

The sixers are not getting star for Ben. That has been discussed 1000 times

Isn't it annoying when people repeat themselves 1000 times?

[BlazersBroncos]

I think this Rosas firing might be due to his unwillingness to push all their future assets into Ben. If thats the case, I think this can get something done:

PHI TRADES - Ben Simmons, Shake Milton
PHI RECEIVES - Collin Sexton, Malik Beasley, Taurean Prince, Jaden McDaniels, 2023 MIN Swap, 2024 MIN FRP, 2025 MIN Swap, 2026 MIN FRP

MIN TRADES - Malik Beasley, Taurean Prince, Jaden McDaniels, 2022 MIN FRP, 2023 MIN Swap, 2024 MIN FRP, 2025 MIN Swap, 2026 MIN FRP, 2027 MIN Swap
MIN RECEIVES - Ben Simmons

CLE TRADES - Collin Sexton
CLE RECEIVES - Shake Milton, 2022 MIN FRP, 2027 MIN Swap

MIN makes the overpay that might have gotten Rosas fired but get their guy in Simmons
PHI gets a shot creator, a shooter, defensive forward depth and picks to play with (Attach to Prince + Furkan for another upgrade once eligible?)
CLE decides they are not paying Sexton, get a cheap guard worth minutes in Milton, a FRP and a swap option years down the road.

Let it be know I dont think Simmons has this much value, but if the Rosas firing is smoke this is the type of fire I think might get lit. If it does, this roster is pretty stacked:

G - Collin Sexton / Seth Curry / Tyrese Maxey
G - Danny Green / Malik Beasley / Tyrese Maxey
F - Jaden McDaniels / Mattisse Thybulle / Furkan Korkmaz
F - Tobias Harris / Taurean Prince / Georges Niang
C - Joel Embiid / Andre Drummond

[doctor him]

People are entirely missing the point with their trash offers.

The Sixers do not care about what crap teams like the Wolves/Kings/Rockets etc have/want to offer. At least not right now. Sixers goal is to get a star that fits better and obviously to get there they need to have a star request a trade. I dont think Morey is interested in discussing a trade before that happens unless it is a no brainer. Naturally, for teams that hope to improve and expected to get Simmons for peanuts these are exorbitant prices. The reality, however, has always been that the Sixers were never a good match with any team that wants to improve, because the Sixers want to improve as well.

What is needed is aa star who requests a trade, it is hard to see the Sixers settle for less right now (it is also hard to see Simmons playing for them) because they are with their backs on the wall, both the team and Morey. If they get trash/middling pieces back they might have to trade Embiid in a year and Morey's days as a GM might be over.

The sixers are not getting star for Ben. That has been discussed 1000 times

Then perhaps we don't need umpteen threads and posts about why the Sixers (fans on this board) need to hurry up and settle for whatever offer other fanbases decide are "fair"?

It's a two way street.

It's clear that there's a disconnect between the offers and the price both here and in the league.

So unless someone has a newly creative way to bridge that gap in speculating here, then it's gotten well past the point of two entrenched camps trying to browbeat each other into seeing the world their way.

[VDT]

People are entirely missing the point with their trash offers.

The Sixers do not care about what crap teams like the Wolves/Kings/Rockets etc have/want to offer. At least not right now. Sixers goal is to get a star that fits better and obviously to get there they need to have a star request a trade. I dont think Morey is interested in discussing a trade before that happens unless it is a no brainer. Naturally, for teams that hope to improve and expected to get Simmons for peanuts these are exorbitant prices. The reality, however, has always been that the Sixers were never a good match with any team that wants to improve, because the Sixers want to improve as well.

What is needed is aa star who requests a trade, it is hard to see the Sixers settle for less right now (it is also hard to see Simmons playing for them) because they are with their backs on the wall, both the team and Morey. If they get trash/middling pieces back they might have to trade Embiid in a year and Morey's days as a GM might be over.

The sixers are not getting star for Ben. That has been discussed 1000 times

The Sixers need to get a star for Simmons (and they should be willing to throw in some picks for that). Otherwise, they might need to trade Embiid and rebuild. They are with their backs on the wall.

At the same time, no one said that there is a team that will willingly trade their star for Simmons. Which is why the Sixers need a star to request a trade and force his team's hand. That's what they are waiting for. They are not hoping that Simmons will come back and build up his value.

For the Sixers having Simmons out, pretending to be injured, is not really worse than making the trades discussed here and at least offers some upside.

[Ballerhogger]

I think this Rosas firing might be due to his unwillingness to push all their future assets into Ben. If thats the case, I think this can get something done:

PHI TRADES - Ben Simmons, Shake Milton
PHI RECEIVES - Collin Sexton, Malik Beasley, Taurean Prince, Jaden McDaniels, 2023 MIN Swap, 2024 MIN FRP, 2025 MIN Swap, 2026 MIN FRP

MIN TRADES - Malik Beasley, Taurean Prince, Jaden McDaniels, 2022 MIN FRP, 2023 MIN Swap, 2024 MIN FRP, 2025 MIN Swap, 2026 MIN FRP, 2027 MIN Swap
MIN RECEIVES - Ben Simmons

CLE TRADES - Collin Sexton
CLE RECEIVES - Shake Milton, 2022 MIN FRP, 2027 MIN Swap

MIN makes the overpay that might have gotten Rosas fired but get their guy in Simmons
PHI gets a shot creator, a shooter, defensive forward depth and picks to play with (Attach to Prince + Furkan for another upgrade once eligible?)
CLE decides they are not paying Sexton, get a cheap guard worth minutes in Milton, a FRP and a swap option years down the road.

Let it be know I dont think Simmons has this much value, but if the Rosas firing is smoke this is the type of fire I think might get lit. If it does, this roster is pretty stacked:

G - Collin Sexton / Seth Curry / Tyrese Maxey
G - Danny Green / Malik Beasley / Tyrese Maxey
F - Jaden McDaniels / Mattisse Thybulle / Furkan Korkmaz
F - Tobias Harris / Taurean Prince / Georges Niang
C - Joel Embiid / Andre Drummond

I
Thats the best deal yet for the 76ers. The 76ers made out well here and didnt need a star. Clevealnd makes out well here to. Ben to Minnesota probably gets them into playoff contention .. Is the 2022 top 10 pick at worst worth that? I think so. Good job. With that said that may not be what wolves want to do now. I think you need take out one MN first round draft picks first though. 76ers do not need first rounders in the following few years. Other than that its a good deal,

[Brick Layer]

People are entirely missing the point with their trash offers.

The Sixers do not care about what crap teams like the Wolves/Kings/Rockets etc have/want to offer. At least not right now. Sixers goal is to get a star that fits better and obviously to get there they need to have a star request a trade. I dont think Morey is interested in discussing a trade before that happens unless it is a no brainer. Naturally, for teams that hope to improve and expected to get Simmons for peanuts these are exorbitant prices. The reality, however, has always been that the Sixers were never a good match with any team that wants to improve, because the Sixers want to improve as well.

What is needed is aa star who requests a trade, it is hard to see the Sixers settle for less right now (it is also hard to see Simmons playing for them) because they are with their backs on the wall, both the team and Morey. If they get trash/middling pieces back they might have to trade Embiid in a year and Morey's days as a GM might be over.

The sixers are not getting star for Ben. That has been discussed 1000 times

Isn't it annoying when people repeat themselves 1000 times?

GSW owner Joe Lacob stated in today's SF Chronicle he is not willing to trade Draymond Green for Ben Simmons straight up. What should be real annoying is the fact most posters on realgm do not consider Draymond Green to be anything close to a star.

[Bduncan22]

Ben Simmons and Mattise Thyb for De Aaron fox and Harrison Barnes. Both players go to non shooting focused teams and each get a player to develop chemistry. Both the kings and the Philly become playoff contenders and Philly has a good shot at the title. We get to see Embiid work with a proper point guard and Ben can play the PF with Buddy Hield. This is the only way I see it working without Ben going to a shooting focused team like the Warriors or Portland.

[realEAST]

Don't know if something like this has been suggested, but maybe a three team with Cleveland and Spurs:

CLE in: L. Walker, K. Johnson
CLE out: C. Sexton, D. Windler

PHI in: C. Sexton, D. Vassell, T. Young, A. Aminu, 2022 SAS 1st, 2024 SAS 1st
PHI out: B. Simmons

SAS in: B. Simmons, D. Windler
SAS out: L. Walker, K. Johnson, D. Vassell, T. Young, A. Aminu, 2022 SAS 1st (top15 prot, than two 2nds), 2024 SAS 1st (top15 prot. in 2024 and 2025, than two 2nds)

Spurs add All NBA caliber player for part of their youth and picks that don't convey if they don't make the playoffs. They keep most of their in prime players that provide them good depth and fits around Simmons.

76ers add young potential All Star in Sexton, another high impact youngster in Vassell, while Young gives them proven vet who can play along Embiid and provide valuable backup minutes at PF and C. Future picks could be used in potential consolidation trade along some of their young guards.

Cavaliers add two youngsters with high ceiling and additional year on rookie deal - athletic scoring guard in L. Walker who in time could provide them with impact similar to Sexton's, while Johnson gives them two way wing/forward with developing all around game.

Murray............Jones...............Jefferies
White.............Forbes..............Primo
McDermott.......Windler.............Bates Diop
Simmons..........Collins..............Samanic
Poeltl..............Eubanks............Landale

Sexton.........Maxey............Milton
Vassell.........Curry.............Joe
Green..........Korkmaz.........Thybull
Harris..........Young............Aminu.........Niang
Embiid.........Drummond......Reed...........Petrusev

Garland...........Rubio
Okoro.............Walker
Johnson..........Osman
Markkanen.......Love
Allen..............Mobley

[GTR11]

I said this sometime during summer time that Morey is Ainge 2.0. At least Ainge managed to get multiple great deals. Now both been exposed after all this years. They broke unwritten gm code for locking out for each other.

Philly only going to get fringe all star and lottery protected pick. They'll wait long enough they won't even get that.

Also don't don't get it twisted. All these agents taking notes.

[Texas Chuck]

I love Tim MacMahon so much. All the reports are out about Lacob getting fined $50k for his comments on Simmons.

Tim:

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[parsnips33]

I approve fining Lacob any time he speaks publicly

"Lightyears ahead" should have been at least $200k

[giberish]

I think this Rosas firing might be due to his unwillingness to push all their future assets into Ben. If thats the case, I think this can get something done:

PHI TRADES - Ben Simmons, Shake Milton
PHI RECEIVES - Collin Sexton, Malik Beasley, Taurean Prince, Jaden McDaniels, 2023 MIN Swap, 2024 MIN FRP, 2025 MIN Swap, 2026 MIN FRP

MIN TRADES - Malik Beasley, Taurean Prince, Jaden McDaniels, 2022 MIN FRP, 2023 MIN Swap, 2024 MIN FRP, 2025 MIN Swap, 2026 MIN FRP, 2027 MIN Swap
MIN RECEIVES - Ben Simmons

CLE TRADES - Collin Sexton
CLE RECEIVES - Shake Milton, 2022 MIN FRP, 2027 MIN Swap

MIN makes the overpay that might have gotten Rosas fired but get their guy in Simmons
PHI gets a shot creator, a shooter, defensive forward depth and picks to play with (Attach to Prince + Furkan for another upgrade once eligible?)
CLE decides they are not paying Sexton, get a cheap guard worth minutes in Milton, a FRP and a swap option years down the road.

Let it be know I dont think Simmons has this much value, but if the Rosas firing is smoke this is the type of fire I think might get lit. If it does, this roster is pretty stacked:

G - Collin Sexton / Seth Curry / Tyrese Maxey
G - Danny Green / Malik Beasley / Tyrese Maxey
F - Jaden McDaniels / Mattisse Thybulle / Furkan Korkmaz
F - Tobias Harris / Taurean Prince / Georges Niang
C - Joel Embiid / Andre Drummond

I'd say it was more likely that the new owners didn't want Rosas to go full Billy King chasing a .500 team, potentially leaving them a smoking ruin to take over.