OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread

[HarthorneWingo]

Joe Rogan is Gwyneth Paltrow for men

Change my mind.

He puts the magic yoni egg in another orifice.

It's reason enough to dislike him. But wait, there's more!

I wish he’d just stick to doing UFC commentary

[Barcs]

Joe Rogan is weird. His views are a mix of far left and far right positions. I can't put a finger on him.

[Clyde_Style]

Joe Rogan is weird. His views are a mix of far left and far right positions. I can't put a finger on him.

He is not a great comedian, but that background gave him the tools to become who he is today. I don’t follow his podcast as I find him self-indulgent even though he has the ability to be thoughtful and inquisitive. He is harder to pin down partly by design and partly because he does have some independent thinking skills.

He especially appeals to those with the broadest interpretation of free speech as a civil right. He’s biggest among younger guys who don’t want to be told what to do or how to behave. That streak coincides perfectly with his MMA audience which revels in machismo.

Rogan is weird because he really can be a knuckle dragging dikhed and a conventionally stupid bro, but his fame and reach for now gives him an invincibility shield to be both a raw dude and an interlocutor on subjects of value to the public as a whole. Now that he has his FU money he may not feel any incentive to raise his intelligence which is clearly necessary considering how awfully stupid he was about covid. He really crapped the bed there considering how many people hang on to his every word.

Still, Rogan has his good moments and he is smart enough to seek answers when he actually applies himself or to admit he’s wrong at times. But it doesn’t really excuse how easily he aids and abets potentially fascistic impulses that are masquerading as libertarian values. His escape hatch actually is saying he gets things wrong sometimes which is fine in a way, but it can actually be a cop-out when he knows how many people lacking critical thinking skills follow him.

[DOT]

Joe Rogan is weird. His views are a mix of far left and far right positions. I can't put a finger on him.

Not really

He just kind of agrees with whoever's on his show, but his views are pretty consistently far right

He may occasionally adopt the language of the left or take a token position like his views on drugs, but he's pretty consistently far right in his beliefs. That's why if you look at his guest list, it's very rarely someone on the left, but pretty consistently people on the far right.

[j4remi]

Joe Rogan is weird. His views are a mix of far left and far right positions. I can't put a finger on him.

Not really

He just kind of agrees with whoever's on his show, but his views are pretty consistently far right

He may occasionally adopt the language of the left or take a token position like his views on drugs, but he's pretty consistently far right in his beliefs. That's why if you look at his guest list, it's very rarely someone on the left, but pretty consistently people on the far right.

Right-leaning independent with heavy Libertarian influences...His show was better when he was talking about how Jesus was secret code for psychadelic mushrooms and just hanging out with Duncan Trussel types.

[DOT]

Joe Rogan is weird. His views are a mix of far left and far right positions. I can't put a finger on him.

Not really

He just kind of agrees with whoever's on his show, but his views are pretty consistently far right

He may occasionally adopt the language of the left or take a token position like his views on drugs, but he's pretty consistently far right in his beliefs. That's why if you look at his guest list, it's very rarely someone on the left, but pretty consistently people on the far right.

Right-leaning independent with heavy Libertarian influences...His show was better when he was talking about how Jesus was secret code for psychadelic mushrooms and just hanging out with Duncan Trussel types.

I mean, at this point, "libertarian" is just code for "I'm a Republican, but I don't want to admit it" or "I'm a Republican who likes to smoke weed"

Or the rare "my only political opinion is the age of consent is way too high" but I know Rogan's not one of those libertarians.

[cgmw]

Not really

He just kind of agrees with whoever's on his show, but his views are pretty consistently far right

He may occasionally adopt the language of the left or take a token position like his views on drugs, but he's pretty consistently far right in his beliefs. That's why if you look at his guest list, it's very rarely someone on the left, but pretty consistently people on the far right.

Right-leaning independent with heavy Libertarian influences...His show was better when he was talking about how Jesus was secret code for psychadelic mushrooms and just hanging out with Duncan Trussel types.

I mean, at this point, "libertarian" is just code for "I'm a Republican, but I don't want to admit it" or "I'm a Republican who likes to smoke weed"

Or the rare "my only political opinion is the age of consent is way too high" but I know Rogan's not one of those libertarians.

For anyone who’s ever traveled to places like Bali, you’ll know there’s an entirely separate class of woo-woo weirdo who’s so privileged and so far off-grid that they begin feeling apart from the entire capitalist mainstream flow of society— blue, red, purple or otherwise.

Rogan has become the masculine poster-boy of socially isolated (relatively) affluent weirdos who snort tumeric and rub themselves down with essential oils.

[Clyde_Style]

Not really

He just kind of agrees with whoever's on his show, but his views are pretty consistently far right

He may occasionally adopt the language of the left or take a token position like his views on drugs, but he's pretty consistently far right in his beliefs. That's why if you look at his guest list, it's very rarely someone on the left, but pretty consistently people on the far right.

Right-leaning independent with heavy Libertarian influences...His show was better when he was talking about how Jesus was secret code for psychadelic mushrooms and just hanging out with Duncan Trussel types.

I mean, at this point, "libertarian" is just code for "I'm a Republican, but I don't want to admit it" or "I'm a Republican who likes to smoke weed"

Or the rare "my only political opinion is the age of consent is way too high" but I know Rogan's not one of those libertarians.

It did become a smokescreen

Some of his closest comedy buddies push misogyny and racism as comedic transgression when it is usually just provocation for provocation’s sake. I get that comedy is the place to test the envelope but it often is just an excuse to be a schmuck without being held to any standard of intelligence in your chosen mode of expression

[Clyde_Style]

Right-leaning independent with heavy Libertarian influences...His show was better when he was talking about how Jesus was secret code for psychadelic mushrooms and just hanging out with Duncan Trussel types.

I mean, at this point, "libertarian" is just code for "I'm a Republican, but I don't want to admit it" or "I'm a Republican who likes to smoke weed"

Or the rare "my only political opinion is the age of consent is way too high" but I know Rogan's not one of those libertarians.

For anyone who’s ever traveled to places like Bali, you’ll know there’s an entirely separate class of woo-woo weirdo who’s so privileged and so far off-grid that they begin feeling apart from the entire capitalist mainstream flow of society— blue, red, purple or otherwise.

Rogan has become the masculine poster-boy of socially isolated (relatively) affluent weirdos who snort tumeric and rub themselves down with essential oils.

Address in Bali please

Asking for Joe Rogan

[j4remi]

Not really

He just kind of agrees with whoever's on his show, but his views are pretty consistently far right

He may occasionally adopt the language of the left or take a token position like his views on drugs, but he's pretty consistently far right in his beliefs. That's why if you look at his guest list, it's very rarely someone on the left, but pretty consistently people on the far right.

Right-leaning independent with heavy Libertarian influences...His show was better when he was talking about how Jesus was secret code for psychadelic mushrooms and just hanging out with Duncan Trussel types.

I mean, at this point, "libertarian" is just code for "I'm a Republican, but I don't want to admit it" or "I'm a Republican who likes to smoke weed"

Or the rare "my only political opinion is the age of consent is way too high" but I know Rogan's not one of those libertarians.

While I agree that Libertarian is often just a cudgel to hide behind for Republicans, I don't really see Rogan that way. He admitted he would have voted for Bernie and his next pick was Tulsi (rightwing for sure but running as a Dem). I take him as more genuine Right-Wing Libertarian than actual Republican. He hunts to be more off the grid, moved to Texas to not pay taxes on his big spotify deal, and his sometimes support for Leftwing positions and people generally falls under support for Libertarian Socialist policy ideals.

He's a great representation of the right-leaning Independent. They COULD be moved to vote against Republicans, but are very susceptible to reactionary arguments so you'd have to land in a perfect goldilocks zone of not supporting the issues they freak out over and supporting the issues they care about. I see it a decent amount around my way (or maybe it's an mma thing as Clyde mentioned above).

P.S. Doesn't make his views any better or worse mind you. I think he kinda sucks, even his MMA commentating has fallen off in recent years. The Intellectual Dark Web mess has definitely brought him further right as time goes on...ironically Sam Harris who started that ish is starting to turn on those fools, something I'd never have expected a couple of years ago when he was pushing Bell Curve nonsense.

[DOT]

While I agree that Libertarian is often just a cudgel to hide behind for Republicans, I don't really see Rogan that way. He admitted he would have voted for Bernie and his next pick was Tulsi (rightwing for sure but running as a Dem). I take him as more genuine Right-Wing Libertarian than actual Republican. He hunts to be more off the grid, moved to Texas to not pay taxes on his big spotify deal, and his sometimes support for Leftwing positions and people generally falls under support for Libertarian Socialist policy ideals.

He's a great representation of the right-leaning Independent. They COULD be moved to vote against Republicans, but are very susceptible to reactionary arguments so you'd have to land in a perfect goldilocks zone of not supporting the issues they freak out over and supporting the issues they care about. I see it a decent amount around my way (or maybe it's an mma thing as Clyde mentioned above).

P.S. Doesn't make his views any better or worse mind you. I think he kinda sucks, even his MMA commentating has fallen off in recent years. The Intellectual Dark Web mess has definitely brought him further right as time goes on...ironically Sam Harris who started that ish is starting to turn on those fools, something I'd never have expected a couple of years ago when he was pushing Bell Curve nonsense.

I don't listen to his podcast or watch MMA, so if you say so on his positions. Personally, I don't think it's worth it to go after those folks, because most of the stuff they freak out over is stuff that needs to get done. So for every one you win, you lose folks on the left because you stop supporting issues they care about, then we go even further into having two right wing parties

But regardless of what we want to label him as, he's been one of the leaders in Covid misinformation. And personally, I find it funny when people like him, who are big on the whole "alpha" thing and being "manly" are too scared to actually say what they think, so in his case he hides behind "I'm just an idiot, don't take me seriously," or "it's just a joke." Cause if he were actually an "alpha" then he wouldn't care what people think of him, he'd just say it.

[thebuzzardman]

Right-leaning independent with heavy Libertarian influences...His show was better when he was talking about how Jesus was secret code for psychadelic mushrooms and just hanging out with Duncan Trussel types.

I mean, at this point, "libertarian" is just code for "I'm a Republican, but I don't want to admit it" or "I'm a Republican who likes to smoke weed"

Or the rare "my only political opinion is the age of consent is way too high" but I know Rogan's not one of those libertarians.

While I agree that Libertarian is often just a cudgel to hide behind for Republicans, I don't really see Rogan that way. He admitted he would have voted for Bernie and his next pick was Tulsi (rightwing for sure but running as a Dem). I take him as more genuine Right-Wing Libertarian than actual Republican. He hunts to be more off the grid, moved to Texas to not pay taxes on his big spotify deal, and his sometimes support for Leftwing positions and people generally falls under support for Libertarian Socialist policy ideals.

He's a great representation of the right-leaning Independent. They COULD be moved to vote against Republicans, but are very susceptible to reactionary arguments so you'd have to land in a perfect goldilocks zone of not supporting the issues they freak out over and supporting the issues they care about. I see it a decent amount around my way (or maybe it's an mma thing as Clyde mentioned above).

P.S. Doesn't make his views any better or worse mind you. I think he kinda sucks, even his MMA commentating has fallen off in recent years. The Intellectual Dark Web mess has definitely brought him further right as time goes on...ironically Sam Harris who started that ish is starting to turn on those fools, something I'd never have expected a couple of years ago when he was pushing Bell Curve nonsense.

Jordan Peterson. Excuse me while I vomit in my shoes.

My son got into him for a bit, and I didn't specifically mind, because it's good to seek out alternative opinions etc. I have him a bunch of listens and had to tell my son "You know, this guy is big on the veneer of being objective, but I don't think that's really the case". He eventually dropped listening to him.

[Clyde_Style]

I mean, at this point, "libertarian" is just code for "I'm a Republican, but I don't want to admit it" or "I'm a Republican who likes to smoke weed"

Or the rare "my only political opinion is the age of consent is way too high" but I know Rogan's not one of those libertarians.

While I agree that Libertarian is often just a cudgel to hide behind for Republicans, I don't really see Rogan that way. He admitted he would have voted for Bernie and his next pick was Tulsi (rightwing for sure but running as a Dem). I take him as more genuine Right-Wing Libertarian than actual Republican. He hunts to be more off the grid, moved to Texas to not pay taxes on his big spotify deal, and his sometimes support for Leftwing positions and people generally falls under support for Libertarian Socialist policy ideals.

He's a great representation of the right-leaning Independent. They COULD be moved to vote against Republicans, but are very susceptible to reactionary arguments so you'd have to land in a perfect goldilocks zone of not supporting the issues they freak out over and supporting the issues they care about. I see it a decent amount around my way (or maybe it's an mma thing as Clyde mentioned above).

P.S. Doesn't make his views any better or worse mind you. I think he kinda sucks, even his MMA commentating has fallen off in recent years. The Intellectual Dark Web mess has definitely brought him further right as time goes on...ironically Sam Harris who started that ish is starting to turn on those fools, something I'd never have expected a couple of years ago when he was pushing Bell Curve nonsense.

Jordan Peterson. Excuse me while I vomit in my shoes.

My son got into him for a bit, and I didn't specifically mind, because it's good to seek out alternative opinions etc. I have him a bunch of listens and had to tell my son "You know, this guy is big on the veneer of being objective, but I don't think that's really the case". He eventually dropped listening to him.

Intellectual hero of some of the MAGA bros

[j4remi]

Jordan Peterson. Excuse me while I vomit in my shoes.

My son got into him for a bit, and I didn't specifically mind, because it's good to seek out alternative opinions etc. I have him a bunch of listens and had to tell my son "You know, this guy is big on the veneer of being objective, but I don't think that's really the case". He eventually dropped listening to him.

Good on your son for catching on quick and jumping off that boat. The man is up to 20 rules for life and he put together half before his nervous breakdown and drug addiction that had been sparked from going on an all-meat diet that almost killed him...and the other half after he made it back from whatever sketchy facilities his daughter hid him out in during that breakdown.

The late great Michael Brooks wrote a book of responses to the low budget arguments of the IDW crews, basically one at a time, in this book Against the Web.

https://www.amazon.com/Against-Web-Cosmopolitan-Answer-Right-ebook/dp/B085W9Y27T

It's damned good. He'd have been something special if not for an early passing

[Clyde_Style]

Jordan Peterson. Excuse me while I vomit in my shoes.

My son got into him for a bit, and I didn't specifically mind, because it's good to seek out alternative opinions etc. I have him a bunch of listens and had to tell my son "You know, this guy is big on the veneer of being objective, but I don't think that's really the case". He eventually dropped listening to him.

Good on your son for catching on quick and jumping off that boat. The man is up to 20 rules for life and he put together half before his nervous breakdown and drug addiction that had been sparked from going on an all-meat diet that almost killed him...and the other half after he made it back from whatever sketchy facilities his daughter hid him out in during that breakdown.

The late great Michael Brooks wrote a book of responses to the low budget arguments of the IDW crews, basically one at a time, in this book Against the Web.

https://www.amazon.com/Against-Web-Cosmopolitan-Answer-Right-ebook/dp/B085W9Y27T

It's damned good. He'd have been something special if not for an early passing

I noted the book for later reading. Thanks

My now ended relationship with a MAGA included his homage to the greatness of Peterson. I deduced some generalizations from my interactions with this guy. He was very insecure about his intelligence so I was told countless times he reads history books and he read for an economics degree he never completed. He fancied himself a real iconoclast which made his rabid idolatry of Trump all the more defensible in his mind because from his vantage point he was a free thinker who was admiring a fellow iconoclast in Trump. He would even denounce Fox yet then quote reckless Alt Right meme sites.

He was not half as smart as he thought he was and he had deep anxieties over his feelings of inadequacy. That he ended up spouting the most generic rationales for the lawless conduct of the Trump regime flew in the face of his craving to be seen as an original thinker when he was in fact a dud.

Guys like Peterson preyed on the Dunning-Kruger persona in particular. He was a social media predator cashing in on the social inadequacies of lonely and raging males, many of whom turned into MAGAs as a convenient emotional funnel for their deluded notions of defying the “system”. Trumpism was to a large extent an exploitation of those with inferiority complexes desiring to feel special for the first time in their lives by siding with the winner who happened to be the man with the greatest inferiority complex mankind has ever seen. Peterson is an aspect of this exploitation.

[stuporman]

The conservative right wing will use any individual's behavior and attribute it to what they consider liberal or foreign or POC or any another belief system that isn't their own ideology as a condemnation of the whole group and the belief.

Yet it is the conservative right wing that has devolved into such a extremist ideology of authoritarian group think they are blinded by or don't care to see how it's producing more and more expressions of intolerance like this.

Innocent people are dying because they are lying and deluded about reality....

Watch on YouTube

[stuporman]

Micheal Brooks was such an insightful and powerful speaker not to mention so clever and funny it's such a shame he was taken so soon. He could have been an important voice of the left for decades to communicate the ideas in ways that connect with people and they could understand.

He's gone but the people who incite and misinform live on to influence people....this world is anything but just and most of the time it's cruel in how life unfolds.

[spree8]

Whats the take on Regeneron/monoclonal antibodies? They’re giving them out for free like crazy in south Florida.

Just want these ass wipes in Florida need; being injected with a super steroid. It’s an after the fact treatment for after you get a bad case of COVID. It’s very powerful steroid. Trump was on it after his symptoms became on bigly.

It’s not a prophylactic to my knowledge. In other words, it doesn’t act like a vaccine.

You gonna give ol’ Wingo some good news?

Haha I’m prob gunna get it soon. I’m hesitant because from all reports, people who’ve had the virus have tougher immune responses to the shot. But once I build up the courage to feeling sick again for a bit, I’m gunna get just one shot.

[stuporman]

I am definitely not one to defend the establishment medical system and it could even be said I have a healthy...yes pun intended....skepticism for a system that has a profit motive priority, appears to be more interested in keeping customers for as long as they can charging as much as they can using their products and treatments that seem to be more directed at addressing the myriad of symptoms and side effects their products and treatments have caused than actually healing the patient of the afflictions that the chemical saturated environment and food system has perpetrated upon them.

....but I find this video entertaining and informative.

Watch on YouTube

[HarthorneWingo]

I mean, at this point, "libertarian" is just code for "I'm a Republican, but I don't want to admit it" or "I'm a Republican who likes to smoke weed"

Or the rare "my only political opinion is the age of consent is way too high" but I know Rogan's not one of those libertarians.

While I agree that Libertarian is often just a cudgel to hide behind for Republicans, I don't really see Rogan that way. He admitted he would have voted for Bernie and his next pick was Tulsi (rightwing for sure but running as a Dem). I take him as more genuine Right-Wing Libertarian than actual Republican. He hunts to be more off the grid, moved to Texas to not pay taxes on his big spotify deal, and his sometimes support for Leftwing positions and people generally falls under support for Libertarian Socialist policy ideals.

He's a great representation of the right-leaning Independent. They COULD be moved to vote against Republicans, but are very susceptible to reactionary arguments so you'd have to land in a perfect goldilocks zone of not supporting the issues they freak out over and supporting the issues they care about. I see it a decent amount around my way (or maybe it's an mma thing as Clyde mentioned above).

P.S. Doesn't make his views any better or worse mind you. I think he kinda sucks, even his MMA commentating has fallen off in recent years. The Intellectual Dark Web mess has definitely brought him further right as time goes on...ironically Sam Harris who started that ish is starting to turn on those fools, something I'd never have expected a couple of years ago when he was pushing Bell Curve nonsense.

Jordan Peterson. Excuse me while I vomit in my shoes.

My son got into him for a bit, and I didn't specifically mind, because it's good to seek out alternative opinions etc. I have him a bunch of listens and had to tell my son "You know, this guy is big on the veneer of being objective, but I don't think that's really the case". He eventually dropped listening to him.

You're Miyagi