Bears talk 2.0; Fields era begins for real for real

[fleet]

All I'm going to say is there is some major meatballing going on in here. "Forget what the stats show, Fields looked great. Receivers need to catch the ball, and the line needs to block, and Nagy needs to give up the playcalling." I wonder if that's the same contingent who thought 3 years ago, Mitch Trubisky was actually good.

I love Fields. My favorite QB in the draft. Yesterday, he looked awful. He squandered chances. You see raw talent there as he's able to drop dimes. With that stated, if you came away from yesterday's game thinking "Yep, he's ready", I don't know what to tell you. doug was spot on with his analysis. He looked pretty bad yesterday.

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[GetBuLLish]

That isn’t what normally happens, and it would be wishful thinking to expect the unexpected for Justin. And I am totally good with that. Ill gladly take 6 or 7 wins this year for Justin rather than try to eek out one or two more wins with Dalton just for the sake of nothing. And I don’t even believe we are generally sacrificing anyway. Every missed game of development on the field for Justin is missed learning opportunity to get him up and running quicker for 2022. Hopefully you’re right, and Nagy will put his preference of system down for the sake of growing specific plays around a true talent ASAP. But again, just different play-calling isn’t the same as installing it piece by piece for a whole training camp learning with the team and the team learning how to play off Justin. 1 practice week (3 days really) during the season of running different plays is a joke.

Your post would make sense if we were talking about Lamar Jackson, who is such a unique, potentially transformational talent that a coaching staff would have to design an offensive system that is tailor made to Lamar's talents and wholly distinctive from the rest of the league.

But that's not the case with Fields. As far as I'm aware, he's supposed to be a good pocket passer with an elite ability to run and break the pocket. Nagy's offensive system shouldn't need to be completely revamped to allow Fields to succeed. Of course, making fields QB1 throughout a full training camp and offseason will benefit him, but we should be concerned (though not panicking) if plays very poorly without that benefit. Hopefully we won't have to cross that bridge.

[the ultimates]

Asking to push the ball down the field and consistently use play-action and rollouts isn't revamping and offense. Besides what track record of success has Nagy's offenses produced that say his offenses shouldn't be revamped, retooled or just plain thrown out?

This is the same coach who couldn't run his offense with a productive back in Jordan Howard because Nagy had to run inside zone despite the offensive line not being good at blocking it. That led them to get Mike Davis. This is the same coach who couldn't run his offense without a pass-catching tight end which got them Trey Burton. The same player who Nagy seemingly couldn't adjust his play-calling and offense against the Eagles because he wasn't there. Oh by the way that's how the Bears ended up with the shell of Jimmy Graham. Nagy can't run his offense without a speed receiver, well you had Taylor Gabriel, Tedd Ginn then you draft Mooney last year and signed Goodwin this year.

Let's not forget about Superbowl MVP Nick Foles. Wait till he gets in the offense will look so much better than with Trubisky. Nagy was held back by Mitch and guess what the offense looked just as inept under Foles as it did with Trubisky while Nagy was calling plays. The only other person who's had more excuses made for them over the same time frame was traded from the Bulls.

[Dresden]

Asking to push the ball down the field and consistently use play-action and rollouts isn't revamping and offense. Besides what track record of success has Nagy's offenses produced that say his offenses shouldn't be revamped, retooled or just plain thrown out?


This is the same coach who couldn't run his offense with a productive back in Jordan Howard because Nagy had to run inside zone despite the offensive line not being good at blocking it. That led them to get Mike Davis. This is the same coach who couldn't run his offense without a pass-catching tight end which got them Trey Burton. The same player who Nagy seemingly couldn't adjust his play-calling and offense against the Eagles because he wasn't there. Oh by the way that's how the Bears ended up with the shell of Jimmy Graham. Nagy can't run his offense without a speed receiver, well you had Taylor Gabriel, Tedd Ginn then you draft Mooney last year and signed Goodwin this year.

Let's not forget about Superbowl MVP Nick Foles. Wait till he gets in the offense will look so much better than with Trubisky. Nagy was held back by Mitch and guess what the offense looked just as inept under Foles as it did with Trubisky while Nagy was calling plays. The only other person who's had more excuses made for them over the same time frame was traded from the Bulls.

I agree that Nagy is running out of excuses. It's put up or shut up time for him and his offensive schemes.

[Susan]

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[Dresden]

this will be interesting!

[Bulls69]

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I’m pulling for this kid fans also have to understand most likely Justin will struggle given that the Browns have a great D especially the D line. This is the learning experiences he needs let’s go rook you can do it.

[Jcool0]

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I’m pulling for this kid fans also have to understand most likely Justin will struggle given that the Browns have a great D especially the D line. This is the learning experiences he needs let’s go rook you can do it.

This isn't the NBA having one or two great players doesn't make you a great D. Browns have an average defense.

[GetBuLLish]

Asking to push the ball down the field and consistently use play-action and rollouts isn't revamping and offense. Besides what track record of success has Nagy's offenses produced that say his offenses shouldn't be revamped, retooled or just plain thrown out?

This is the same coach who couldn't run his offense with a productive back in Jordan Howard because Nagy had to run inside zone despite the offensive line not being good at blocking it. That led them to get Mike Davis. This is the same coach who couldn't run his offense without a pass-catching tight end which got them Trey Burton. The same player who Nagy seemingly couldn't adjust his play-calling and offense against the Eagles because he wasn't there. Oh by the way that's how the Bears ended up with the shell of Jimmy Graham. Nagy can't run his offense without a speed receiver, well you had Taylor Gabriel, Tedd Ginn then you draft Mooney last year and signed Goodwin this year.

Let's not forget about Superbowl MVP Nick Foles. Wait till he gets in the offense will look so much better than with Trubisky. Nagy was held back by Mitch and guess what the offense looked just as inept under Foles as it did with Trubisky while Nagy was calling plays. The only other person who's had more excuses made for them over the same time frame was traded from the Bulls.

If you're saying Nagy is so incompetent that Fields is doomed to fail under Nagy regardless of how he were to approach the Fields situation, then that's an argument to make. But that's not what Fleet was arguing and certainly not what I was responding to.

[Bulls69]

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I’m pulling for this kid fans also have to understand most likely Justin will struggle given that the Browns have a great D especially the D line. This is the learning experiences he needs let’s go rook you can do it.

This isn't the NBA having one or two great players doesn't make you a great D. Browns have an average defense.

The Browns D is not average you must not have seen the Browns played lately mainly the Defense of side.

[the ultimates]

Asking to push the ball down the field and consistently use play-action and rollouts isn't revamping and offense. Besides what track record of success has Nagy's offenses produced that say his offenses shouldn't be revamped, retooled or just plain thrown out?

This is the same coach who couldn't run his offense with a productive back in Jordan Howard because Nagy had to run inside zone despite the offensive line not being good at blocking it. That led them to get Mike Davis. This is the same coach who couldn't run his offense without a pass-catching tight end which got them Trey Burton. The same player who Nagy seemingly couldn't adjust his play-calling and offense against the Eagles because he wasn't there. Oh by the way that's how the Bears ended up with the shell of Jimmy Graham. Nagy can't run his offense without a speed receiver, well you had Taylor Gabriel, Tedd Ginn then you draft Mooney last year and signed Goodwin this year.

Let's not forget about Superbowl MVP Nick Foles. Wait till he gets in the offense will look so much better than with Trubisky. Nagy was held back by Mitch and guess what the offense looked just as inept under Foles as it did with Trubisky while Nagy was calling plays. The only other person who's had more excuses made for them over the same time frame was traded from the Bulls.

If you're saying Nagy is so incompetent that Fields is doomed to fail under Nagy regardless of how he were to approach the Fields situation, then that's an argument to make. But that's not what Fleet was arguing and certainly not what I was responding to.

Where was any inference that Fields was doomed to fail under Nagy by me? That's like saying Derrick was doomed to fail because he was coached by Del Negro. Nagy isn't a good play caller I don't think that's debatable. Fields however has got to play and get that experience.

[fleet]

I am fairly convinced that Clowney and Garrett are going to terrorize our tackles and ruin this debut. As Eisen points out, how much better off would Fields be right now in game 3 against the Browns if he was the guy starting game 1. The Bears are simply behind now for now good reason.

I hadn’t thought about the awesome fact that this game is in Ohio for some reason.

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[Dresden]

I am fairly convinced that Clowney and Garrett are going to terrorize our tackles and ruin this debut. As Eisen points out, how much better off would Fields be right now in game 3 against the Browns if he was the guy starting game 1. The Bears are simply behind now for now good reason.

I hadn’t thought about the awesome fact that this game is in Ohio for some reason.

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Judging by how Fields played in last weeks game, there is a good chance we'd be 0-2 right now, not 1-1. This is an impossible argument to win, because whenever Dalton plays average, or poorly, it's viewed as evidence that Fields should play. But whenever Fields performs poorly, it's either a) because he wasn't the starter from day one, b) he's going against a great defense (as if Dalton wasn't v. Rams), or c) it's excusable because we know he will get better.

When in fact, Nagy has decided that right now, Dalton gives the Bears the best chance to win, and that's why he was given the starting job (barring poor health).

[GetBuLLish]

Where was any inference that Fields was doomed to fail under Nagy by me? That's like saying Derrick was doomed to fail because he was coached by Del Negro. Nagy isn't a good play caller I don't think that's debatable. Fields however has got to play and get that experience.

Well I'm not exactly sure what point you were trying to make since you jumped into the middle of a conversation and started arguing against a point that no one was making.

[fleet]

I am fairly convinced that Clowney and Garrett are going to terrorize our tackles and ruin this debut. As Eisen points out, how much better off would Fields be right now in game 3 against the Browns if he was the guy starting game 1. The Bears are simply behind now for now good reason.

I hadn’t thought about the awesome fact that this game is in Ohio for some reason.

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Judging by how Fields played in last weeks game, there is a good chance we'd be 0-2 right now, not 1-1. This is an impossible argument to win, because whenever Dalton plays average, or poorly, it's viewed as evidence that Fields should play. But whenever Fields performs poorly, it's either a) because he wasn't the starter from day one, b) he's going against a great defense (as if Dalton wasn't v. Rams), or c) it's excusable because we know he will get better.

When in fact, Nagy has decided that right now, Dalton gives the Bears the best chance to win, and that's why he was given the starting job (barring poor health).

There is no fact of the matter. You don’t know what is in Nagy’s head about starting Dalton because he never told us. Dalton was promised before Fields even got here, that is from Dalton himself. Beyond that a mixture of Dalton getting Nagy’s little pocket passes out quicker, and protecting the rookie from Pace’s O line is attractive to Nagy.

Wins should not be the priority even if you were right, which is certainly debatable. 2022 is what matters, and getting this kid going ASAP. The high-scoring Dalton offense machine notwithstanding.

[Chi town]

Let’s see what Fields can do with a gameplan and running with the 1s all week. I expect him to play solid and at least one big play. If our D shows up and Monty can move the chains it could be a competitive game.

[the ultimates]

Where was any inference that Fields was doomed to fail under Nagy by me? That's like saying Derrick was doomed to fail because he was coached by Del Negro. Nagy isn't a good play caller I don't think that's debatable. Fields however has got to play and get that experience.

Well I'm not exactly sure what point you were trying to make since you jumped into the middle of a conversation and started arguing against a point that no one was making.

This is what you said "Nagy's offensive system shouldn't need to be completely revamped to allow Fields to succeed." Getting the ball thrown downfield and using rollouts consistently is not revamping an offense. So what point are you trying to make then by saying that?

[BullsFTW]

There will be growing pains, but the real development begins. Rooting for Justin Fields. He has the talent and work ethic to be one of the best QBs in the league.

[biggestbullsfan]

This thread needs to be pinned for Fields first start lol

[GetBuLLish]

Where was any inference that Fields was doomed to fail under Nagy by me? That's like saying Derrick was doomed to fail because he was coached by Del Negro. Nagy isn't a good play caller I don't think that's debatable. Fields however has got to play and get that experience.

Well I'm not exactly sure what point you were trying to make since you jumped into the middle of a conversation and started arguing against a point that no one was making.

This is what you said "Nagy's offensive system shouldn't need to be completely revamped to allow Fields to succeed." Getting the ball thrown downfield and using rollouts consistently is not revamping an offense. So what point are you trying to make then by saying that?

You are actually agreeing with my point without even knowing it.

I was responding to Fleet's argument that Fields not being named QB1 since the start of training camp would have a significant impact on his progress, which would imply that Nagy's offense would have been significantly different than what he has in place right now. Like you've said, throwing in some rollouts and deep passing plays into the system shouldn't be such a drastic change that requires months to implement. This isn't a Lamar Jackson situation where a whole new offensive system needs to be created and implemented over the offseason to accommodate the QB.

Long story short, Fields's success this season won't hinge on the fact that he was the backup QB throughout training camp. It will hinge on his own abilities, his teammates' abilities (primarily the O-Line), and Nagy's playcalling.