Ben Simmons trades go here (and here only): Expect warnings if not following forum rules

[jbk1234]

So get nothing for him get worst as team hope for the best? i guess the story wont go away. How long do 76fans want hear about ben ?

I don't see how you be the team that sets a precedent for allowing a player locked up for 4 years to force his way out like this. It's not like anything great is on the table now anyway. If somehow you find a way to get Lillard or Beal in the meantime, you do it, but short of that why not sit him and see if you have addition by subtraction or just let Embiid sit out the year and have a lotto pick next year and a well rested Embiid.

I still think this will end when a smart franchise puts a real offer on the table. Foolish not to buy cheap on a guy like Ben Simmons given this rare opportunity and spiting yourself to punish Simmons/Klutch isn't really a solution for Philly either.

Real NBA teams aren't nearly as extreme as RealGM trade board posters and common sense will prevail.

I don't believe that *spiting* Klutch has anything to do with it. There may be teams that are leery of dealing with Klutch and everything that entails, but that's as much a rational response as much as an emotional one. I mean you're trading for for a really good, but also seriously flawed player on a max contract who just demanded a trade with 4 years left on his contract. He's credibly threatening not to report. How are teams not going factor that in? There's a lot of risk here.

The reality is that Simmons isn't Beal, Dame, or Harden where you're able to convince yourself that despite whatever shortcomings they might have on the floor you can make it work and come out way ahead. This is more like trading for Kyrie, and not in 2017, but right now.

I'm not really sure what a real offer or buying cheap means with respect to Simmons. I think the Kings should put Fox on the table but that's mostly due to the fact that Fox is overrated and they can't really play together.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J327A using RealGM mobile app

[MasterIchiro]

Kings and Fox make the most sense for Ben Simmons.

[Ballerhogger]

I don't see how you be the team that sets a precedent for allowing a player locked up for 4 years to force his way out like this. It's not like anything great is on the table now anyway. If somehow you find a way to get Lillard or Beal in the meantime, you do it, but short of that why not sit him and see if you have addition by subtraction or just let Embiid sit out the year and have a lotto pick next year and a well rested Embiid.

I still think this will end when a smart franchise puts a real offer on the table. Foolish not to buy cheap on a guy like Ben Simmons given this rare opportunity and spiting yourself to punish Simmons/Klutch isn't really a solution for Philly either.

Real NBA teams aren't nearly as extreme as RealGM trade board posters and common sense will prevail.

I don't believe that *spiting* Klutch has anything to do with it. There may be teams that are leery of dealing with Klutch and everything that entails, but that's as much a rational response as much as an emotional one. I mean you're trading for for a really good, but also seriously flawed player on a max contract who just demanded a trade with 4 years left on his contract. He's credibly threatening not to report. How are teams not going factor that in? There's a lot of risk here.

The reality is that Simmons isn't Beal, Dame, or Harden where you're able to convince yourself that despite whatever shortcomings they might have on the floor you can make it work and come out way ahead. This is more like trading for Kyrie, and not in 2017, but right now.

I'm not really sure what a real offer or buying cheap means with respect to Simmons. I think the Kings should put Fox on the table but that's mostly due to the fact that Fox is overrated and they can't really play together.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J327A using RealGM mobile app

so you would take haliburton over fox ? I mean that’s what it comes down to right ? I mean that works straight up i guess kings send a pick.

id want haliburton more though if im the sixers if it means taking on buddy to get him i do that . Id like to see what king fans would want more hailburton or fox.

[BoogieTime]

Kings and Fox make the most sense for Ben Simmons.

I have them about equivalent in terms of value

Which means that it will be easier for Morey to agree to the trade than McNair IMO

Morey is up against the wall. He's in a pinned situation due to Doc Rivers dumb comments. He has to trade Ben, and won't be held to account to harshly given the circumstances

McNair doesn't need to make the deal. As a GM, your under tremendous pressure. If you don't need to make a deal, and you do, and its the wrong choice - that's your job and legacy in the city's basketball fans

I think as players they can go either way. Ben has had better advanced states. Fox's offense at his age/position lends itself to being one of the better PGs win the league as the Curry/Paul/Irving's subside, and he has the athleticism/agility to be a real plus defender, which he tends to use under Walton in the 4th quarter. He was consistent on defense when he wasn't playing for a bottom 2 milquetoast coach (Walton) in Joerger, and has the 'ability' to be a significant player on both sides permanently (who knows if he will get there).

As players they can go either way, which is why its easier for the GM who has to make a deal and wont be under too harsh scrutiny for the return, when being a GM your so often afraid of making the wrong move

[jbk1234]

I still think this will end when a smart franchise puts a real offer on the table. Foolish not to buy cheap on a guy like Ben Simmons given this rare opportunity and spiting yourself to punish Simmons/Klutch isn't really a solution for Philly either.

Real NBA teams aren't nearly as extreme as RealGM trade board posters and common sense will prevail.

I don't believe that *spiting* Klutch has anything to do with it. There may be teams that are leery of dealing with Klutch and everything that entails, but that's as much a rational response as much as an emotional one. I mean you're trading for for a really good, but also seriously flawed player on a max contract who just demanded a trade with 4 years left on his contract. He's credibly threatening not to report. How are teams not going factor that in? There's a lot of risk here.

The reality is that Simmons isn't Beal, Dame, or Harden where you're able to convince yourself that despite whatever shortcomings they might have on the floor you can make it work and come out way ahead. This is more like trading for Kyrie, and not in 2017, but right now.

I'm not really sure what a real offer or buying cheap means with respect to Simmons. I think the Kings should put Fox on the table but that's mostly due to the fact that Fox is overrated and they can't really play together.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J327A using RealGM mobile app

so you would take haliburton over fox ? I mean that’s what it comes down to right ? I mean that works straight up i guess kings send a pick.

id want haliburton more though if im the sixers if it means taking on buddy to get him i do that . Id like to see what king fans would want more hailburton or fox.

If I were the Kings, I would prefer Haliburton, Mitchell (or Heild), Simmons, Barnes, and Holmes over Fox, Haliburton, Barnes, Bagley?, and Holmes. It wouldn't be particularly close either.

But here's also the thing, I'd have to be 100% sure that Fox, or Fox and a protected pick, got it done. I wouldn't want to be a stalking horse so that Morey could use my offer and cause me problems with my own good, but flawed max player.

Morey was reportedly demanding Fox as a starting point for discussions. He'd have to move off that.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J327A using RealGM mobile app

[rpa]

If I were the Kings, I would prefer Haliburton, Mitchell (or Heild), Simmons, Barnes, and Holmes over Fox, Haliburton, Barnes, Bagley?, and Holmes. It wouldn't be particularly close either.

But here's also the thing, I'd have to be 100% sure that Fox, or Fox and a protected pick, got it done. I wouldn't want to be a stalking horse so that Morey could use my offer and cause me problems with my own good, but flawed max player.

Morey was reportedly demanding Fox as a starting point for discussions. He'd have to move off that.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J327A using RealGM mobile app

I think there are 2 clear problems with trading Fox for Simmons:
First, Fox actually wants to be in Sacramento. Does Simmons? Because if he doesn't, well, we're seeing right now what lengths he'll go to to leave. If the Kings are taking on that level of risk the upgrade should be huge (and I'm not convince it is).

Second, the Kings are a flawed and talent deficient team. This much is clear to everyone. Trading Simmons for Fox leaves them nearly as talent deficient and still flawed--only in a different way (namely that Simmons leaves them without a goto scorer). Their goal should be a clear and major talent injection. Fox for Simmons is neither. It's probably an upgrade, but the delta doesn't move them higher than play-in game.

[DroseReturnChi]

Kings and Fox make the most sense for Ben Simmons.

king already said no. irving for ben makes most sense. sean marks want it.

[Darthlukey]

Kings and Fox make the most sense for Ben Simmons.

king already said no. irving for ben makes most sense. sean marks want it.

Simmons at Nets would be interesting to see. And Kyrie to 6ers would be be quite interesting too. Damn KD, he has been the 2nd most damaging player to the league over the past decade or so!

[jazzfan1971]

Ben Simons for Kawhi Leonard.

LA makes a title run this year. Philly has to step back one year, but comes back as a contender next season.

Would need Kawhi to wink/wink agree to resign in Philly.

[youOK]

So get nothing for him get worst as team hope for the best? i guess the story wont go away. How long do 76fans want hear about ben ?

I don't see how you be the team that sets a precedent for allowing a player locked up for 4 years to force his way out like this. It's not like anything great is on the table now anyway. If somehow you find a way to get Lillard or Beal in the meantime, you do it, but short of that why not sit him and see if you have addition by subtraction or just let Embiid sit out the year and have a lotto pick next year and a well rested Embiid.

I still think this will end when a smart franchise puts a real offer on the table. Foolish not to buy cheap on a guy like Ben Simmons given this rare opportunity and spiting yourself to punish Simmons/Klutch isn't really a solution for Philly either.

Real NBA teams aren't nearly as extreme as RealGM trade board posters and common sense will prevail.

What's holding this back to me, is that while Simmons is a potential buy-low guy, he still comes with clear risks. He is the 20th highest-paid player and has a 15% trade kicker (moving him to like the 12th highest paid this year). Unless you are giving picks / shedding bad salaries (neither of which seem to appeal heavily to the sixers), your team could be getting actively worse if you trade for Simmons and he continues to underperform and is not playable in the 4th. Especially considering you are giving up at least one starter for him.

He's also an odd fit on most teams offensively. Obviously, if he's the Simmons of the past he's well worth it, but if he continues to regress and plays like he did the last playoff series, he's actually a bad contract that you tied yourself to for 4 years and gave up value for.

[Tomjas]

I don't see how you be the team that sets a precedent for allowing a player locked up for 4 years to force his way out like this. It's not like anything great is on the table now anyway. If somehow you find a way to get Lillard or Beal in the meantime, you do it, but short of that why not sit him and see if you have addition by subtraction or just let Embiid sit out the year and have a lotto pick next year and a well rested Embiid.

I still think this will end when a smart franchise puts a real offer on the table. Foolish not to buy cheap on a guy like Ben Simmons given this rare opportunity and spiting yourself to punish Simmons/Klutch isn't really a solution for Philly either.

Real NBA teams aren't nearly as extreme as RealGM trade board posters and common sense will prevail.

What's holding this back to me, is that while Simmons is a potential buy-low guy, he still comes with clear risks. He is the 20th highest-paid player and has a 15% trade kicker (moving him to like the 12th highest paid this year). Unless you are giving picks / shedding bad salaries (neither of which seem to appeal heavily to the sixers), your team could be getting actively worse if you trade for Simmons and he continues to underperform and is not playable in the 4th. Especially considering you are giving up at least one starter for him.

He's also an odd fit on most teams offensively. Obviously, if he's the Simmons of the past he's well worth it, but if he continues to regress and plays like he did the last playoff series, he's actually a bad contract that you tied yourself to for 4 years and gave up value for.

His trade kicker doesn’t work that way

From memory, it’s a few hundred grand due to max salary restrictions

[psman2]

I don't see how you be the team that sets a precedent for allowing a player locked up for 4 years to force his way out like this. It's not like anything great is on the table now anyway. If somehow you find a way to get Lillard or Beal in the meantime, you do it, but short of that why not sit him and see if you have addition by subtraction or just let Embiid sit out the year and have a lotto pick next year and a well rested Embiid.

I still think this will end when a smart franchise puts a real offer on the table. Foolish not to buy cheap on a guy like Ben Simmons given this rare opportunity and spiting yourself to punish Simmons/Klutch isn't really a solution for Philly either.

Real NBA teams aren't nearly as extreme as RealGM trade board posters and common sense will prevail.

What's holding this back to me, is that while Simmons is a potential buy-low guy, he still comes with clear risks. He is the 20th highest-paid player and has a 15% trade kicker (moving him to like the 12th highest paid this year). Unless you are giving picks / shedding bad salaries (neither of which seem to appeal heavily to the sixers), your team could be getting actively worse if you trade for Simmons and he continues to underperform and is not playable in the 4th. Especially considering you are giving up at least one starter for him.

He's also an odd fit on most teams offensively. Obviously, if he's the Simmons of the past he's well worth it, but if he continues to regress and plays like he did the last playoff series, he's actually a bad contract that you tied yourself to for 4 years and gave up value for.

Trade kickers cannot cause a player's salary to go beyond the max. Simmons is on a max, so the trade kicker is basically a non factor.

[nzahir]

Say Portland goes CJ, Simons, Little, 2 1sts and 2 2nds for Simmons

Can Portland really contend?

Dame, Powell, RoCo, Simmons, Nurkic
Cook, Mclemore, Snell, Nance Jr, Zeller/Patterson

The depth is abysmal, so probably not

They need better backup guards and wings

Ryan Arcidiacono? Lin? Yogi Ferrel?

Rondo would have made lots of sense

Ennis? Avery Bradley?

But I like how they can surround Dame with multiple good defenders and Powell is not an awful defender

Can close with Dame, Powell, RoCo, Simmons, LNJ

Maybe go Simmons at the 5 if the fit with LNJ is an issue, but not sure who else could close

[cl2117]

Say Portland goes CJ, Simons, Little, 2 1sts and 2 2nds for Simmons

Can Portland really contend?

Dame, Powell, RoCo, Simmons, Nurkic
Cook, Mclemore, Snell, Nance Jr, Zeller/Patterson

The depth is abysmal, so probably not

They need better backup guards and wings

Ryan Arcidiacono? Lin? Yogi Ferrel?

Rondo would have made lots of sense

Ennis? Avery Bradley?

But I like how they can surround Dame with multiple good defenders and Powell is not an awful defender

Can close with Dame, Powell, RoCo, Simmons, LNJ

Maybe go Simmons at the 5 if the fit with LNJ is an issue, but not sure who else could close

With the rumbles of Dame wanting out I can't see how PDX give up future firsts. They already owe a pick to Chicago and if they give up much more for Ben they'll be without assets to keep improving and at risk of tanking for nothing.

Feels like moving deck chairs on the Titanic. I guess there is an argument to be made that Simmons is a better piece to build around than CJ, so even if Dame leaves and you're short on your own first round picks, you're still in a better spot than you were would be otherwise.

[GutUNC]

Say Portland goes CJ, Simons, Little, 2 1sts and 2 2nds for Simmons

Can Portland really contend?

Dame, Powell, RoCo, Simmons, Nurkic
Cook, Mclemore, Snell, Nance Jr, Zeller/Patterson

The depth is abysmal, so probably not

They need better backup guards and wings

Ryan Arcidiacono? Lin? Yogi Ferrel?

Rondo would have made lots of sense

Ennis? Avery Bradley?

But I like how they can surround Dame with multiple good defenders and Powell is not an awful defender

Can close with Dame, Powell, RoCo, Simmons, LNJ

Maybe go Simmons at the 5 if the fit with LNJ is an issue, but not sure who else could close

With the rumbles of Dame wanting out I can't see how PDX give up future firsts. They already owe a pick to Chicago and if they give up much more for Ben they'll be without assets to keep improving and at risk of tanking for nothing.

Feels like moving deck chairs on the Titanic. I guess there is an argument to be made that Simmons is a better piece to build around than CJ, so even if Dame leaves and you're short on your own first round picks, you're still in a better spot than you were would be otherwise.

One could make the argument that the rumbles of Dame wanting out would be *the reason* Portland would give up picks.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Don't think Kawhi can be traded yet since he signed a new contract. Don't see Simmons coming to the West and making a title run . Clippers would need a pile of picks back.

[cl2117]

Say Portland goes CJ, Simons, Little, 2 1sts and 2 2nds for Simmons

Can Portland really contend?

Dame, Powell, RoCo, Simmons, Nurkic
Cook, Mclemore, Snell, Nance Jr, Zeller/Patterson

The depth is abysmal, so probably not

They need better backup guards and wings

Ryan Arcidiacono? Lin? Yogi Ferrel?

Rondo would have made lots of sense

Ennis? Avery Bradley?

But I like how they can surround Dame with multiple good defenders and Powell is not an awful defender

Can close with Dame, Powell, RoCo, Simmons, LNJ

Maybe go Simmons at the 5 if the fit with LNJ is an issue, but not sure who else could close

With the rumbles of Dame wanting out I can't see how PDX give up future firsts. They already owe a pick to Chicago and if they give up much more for Ben they'll be without assets to keep improving and at risk of tanking for nothing.

Feels like moving deck chairs on the Titanic. I guess there is an argument to be made that Simmons is a better piece to build around than CJ, so even if Dame leaves and you're short on your own first round picks, you're still in a better spot than you were would be otherwise.

One could make the argument that the rumbles of Dame wanting out would be *the reason* Portland would give up picks.

Yeah if they think that'll get him to stay, but with the roster they're left with and limited draft capital to use to get better, I'm not sure that's the case. They're arguably in a worse overall position after trading for Ben and with no safety net if it doesn't work out.

I just don't see the fit unless it's for CJ and not much else. Too risky otherwise.

[Wolveswin]

76ers Trade:
Simmons + Maxey + 2023 1st (unprotected) + 2025 1st (now unprotected to OKC) + 2027 1st (lightly protected)
FOR
SGA + Beasley

Thunder Trade:
SGA + 2x Filler Players
FOR
McDaniels + Maxey + Beverley (buyout?) + 2022 Wolves 1st (unprotected) + 2023 76ers 1st (unprotected) + 2024 Wolves 1st (unprotected) + 2025 76ers 1st (now unprotected) + 2026 Wolves 1st (top 5 protected) + 2027 76ers 1st (top 3 protected)

Wolves Trade:
Beasley + McDaniels + Beverley + Pick Package (see above)
FOR
Simmons + 2x OKC Small Filler

76ers get a locked in stud guard to pair with Embiid plus add Beasley shooting.

OKC adds to the draft war chest. They could want Simmons, but I just don’t see that move.

Wolves get Simmons.

[cjmcallist]

76ers Trade:
Thunder Trade:
SGA + 2x Filler Players
FOR
McDaniels + Maxey + Beverley (buyout?) + 2022 Wolves 1st (unprotected) + 2023 76ers 1st (unprotected) + 2024 Wolves 1st (unprotected) + 2025 76ers 1st (now unprotected) + 2026 Wolves 1st (top 5 protected) + 76ers 2027 1st (top 3 protected).

I proposed very similar with Cavs instead of the Wolves. I think I'd do this if I'm OKC. I believe a couple Sixers fans said they'd do it as well.

[BullyKing]

76ers Trade:
Thunder Trade:
SGA + 2x Filler Players
FOR
McDaniels + Maxey + Beverley (buyout?) + 2022 Wolves 1st (unprotected) + 2023 76ers 1st (unprotected) + 2024 Wolves 1st (unprotected) + 2025 76ers 1st (now unprotected) + 2026 Wolves 1st (top 5 protected) + 76ers 2027 1st (top 3 protected).

I proposed very similar with Cavs instead of the Wolves. I think I'd do this if I'm OKC. I believe a couple Sixers fans said they'd do it as well.

Yeah, I'm likely among those who would do this for Philly.