POLL: Does anyone actually want Ben Simmons?

[JonFromVA]

Imagine for a moment that we could get Ben Simmons for a reasonable cost, but not so cheap we could just turn around and flip him for better pieces ... would you want him on the Cavs?

[jbk1234]

I voted yes with the trade kicker option because there was no conditional yes dependent upon the cost of acquisition.

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[JonFromVA]

I voted yes with the trade kicker option because there was no conditional yes dependent upon the cost of acquisition.

That's appropriate given the idea was that each voter could decide for themselves what they thought was reasonable trade value.

[JonFromVA]

I thought I'd cast my vote and tie everything up for now with a 'no'. I have no problem admitting that Ben has value, should add wins, and having one star level player is better than having none; but he's simply not the kind of player I want on the Cavaliers and the way he's forcing himself out of Philly doesn't make me want him in Cleveland.

I'd gladly cut off my nose to spite my face if it did anything to turn back the tide on "player empowerment", and I'd rather the Cavs not wrap themselves around another player they would have to coddle and walk on egg shells near or else he will demand a trade we will lose.

[jbk1234]

I'm basically at the point where trading for Simmons is a high risk/high reward gamble and if the risk isn't reflected in the acquisition cost, I'm out.

This isn't 4 meh seconds and $5M of Gilbert's money to take a shot with KPJ after he slipped in the draft.

It's not even a second round pick and $30M in future cap space on Drummond.

Even getting Simmons at his current depressed market will cost real assets like Sexton, Rubio and probably a pick as well. If Morey wants more than that, I'm perfectly fine getting outbid.

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[LivingLegend]

Yes but it depends on the price. I'm not giving them a king's ransom because I'm genuinely concerned about his 1) Shooting 2) Work ethic 3) Injury History 4) Contract

It's going to be Sexton/Love to start and probably require 1 more asset. Either a pick or a player. Depending on what that 3rd asset is would be the deal breaker for me. I'm not big on giving up Okoro but it might need to happen because Simmons/Okoro cannot coexist.

Sexton/Love/Okoro seems like a lot for a guy with a ton of his own problems, but then again it would allow us to realign the roster and building around Garland/Simmons/Mobley sounds fun.

I would go crazy-- trade Sexton/Okoro/Love for Simmons( I would also try to pry away a guy like Korkmaz) and then trade a protected 1st next year for Cam Reddish.

Garland
Reddish
Simmons
Mobley
Allen

If we're going to get crazy let's get crazy

[jbk1234]

Yes but it depends on the price. I'm not giving them a king's ransom because I'm genuinely concerned about his 1) Shooting 2) Work ethic 3) Injury History 4) Contract

It's going to be Sexton/Love to start and probably require 1 more asset. Either a pick or a player. Depending on what that 3rd asset is would be the deal breaker for me. I'm not big on giving up Okoro but it might need to happen because Simmons/Okoro cannot coexist.

Sexton/Love/Okoro seems like a lot for a guy with a ton of his own problems, but then again it would allow us to realign the roster and building around Garland/Simmons/Mobley sounds fun.

I would go crazy-- trade Sexton/Okoro/Love for Simmons( I would also try to pry away a guy like Korkmaz) and then trade a protected 1st next year for Cam Reddish.

Garland
Reddish
Simmons
Mobley
Allen

If we're going to get crazy let's get crazy

You need the asking price to come down on Reddish. The Hawks were asking for a lightly protected 1st for him. That ain't it. Let them extend Huerter. If Hunter is healthy, Reddish will get his minutes cut this season and his agent will ask for a trade.

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[JonFromVA]

I'm basically at the point where trading for Simmons is a high risk/high reward gamble and if the risk isn't reflected in the acquisition cost, I'm out.

This isn't 4 meh seconds and $5M of Gilbert's money to take a shot with KPJ after he slipped in the draft.

It's not even a second round pick and $30M in future cap space on Drummond.

Even getting Simmons at his current depressed market will cost real assets like Sexton, Rubio and probably a pick as well. If Morey wants more than that, I'm perfectly fine getting outbid.

Simmons for Sexton+Love is fairly low risk when you consider how much risk and $$$ is associated with Sexton and Love and Ben's track record just entering his prime years.

My problem is with Ben's attitude and everything that enables it. I want players on the team who aren't going to quit when they're criticized that will work to improve want to be here and want to do what it takes to win. That's the kind of culture we'd been trying to build and Ben does not seem to fit.

[Revenged25]

Very talented player, but I don't like his attitude and definitely not at the cost of the good attitude/work ethic players we have on the roster.

[LivingLegend]

I'm basically at the point where trading for Simmons is a high risk/high reward gamble and if the risk isn't reflected in the acquisition cost, I'm out.

This isn't 4 meh seconds and $5M of Gilbert's money to take a shot with KPJ after he slipped in the draft.

It's not even a second round pick and $30M in future cap space on Drummond.

Even getting Simmons at his current depressed market will cost real assets like Sexton, Rubio and probably a pick as well. If Morey wants more than that, I'm perfectly fine getting outbid.

Simmons for Sexton+Love is fairly low risk when you consider how much risk and $$$ is associated with Sexton and Love and Ben's track record just entering his prime years.

My problem is with Ben's attitude and everything that enables it. I want players on the team who aren't going to quit when they're criticized that will work to improve want to be here and want to do what it takes to win. That's the kind of culture we'd been trying to build and Ben does not seem to fit.

Facts. Thats my biggest issue as well. We drafted Sexton/Okoro because they were 'gym rats' who were quiet and grinded to get better. If you look at Garland/Sexton/Okoro/Mobley the one common trait is that we didnt draft a single person with a 'look at me' personality. They all seem to be soft spoken nice guys who work hard.

[LivingLegend]

Yes but it depends on the price. I'm not giving them a king's ransom because I'm genuinely concerned about his 1) Shooting 2) Work ethic 3) Injury History 4) Contract

It's going to be Sexton/Love to start and probably require 1 more asset. Either a pick or a player. Depending on what that 3rd asset is would be the deal breaker for me. I'm not big on giving up Okoro but it might need to happen because Simmons/Okoro cannot coexist.

Sexton/Love/Okoro seems like a lot for a guy with a ton of his own problems, but then again it would allow us to realign the roster and building around Garland/Simmons/Mobley sounds fun.

I would go crazy-- trade Sexton/Okoro/Love for Simmons( I would also try to pry away a guy like Korkmaz) and then trade a protected 1st next year for Cam Reddish.

Garland
Reddish
Simmons
Mobley
Allen

If we're going to get crazy let's get crazy

You need the asking price to come down on Reddish. The Hawks were asking for a lightly protected 1st for him. That ain't it. Let them extend Huerter. If Hunter is healthy, Reddish will get his minutes cut this season and his agent will ask for a trade.

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Yeah but could we wait that long if we have to give up Okoro in a trade? I think the Hakwks are delusional for their asking price.

I would offer them a heavily protected (top 8-10) 1st round pick next year and call it a day.

The prospect of Garland, Reddish, Simmons, Mobley and Allen makes me giddy because it has the potential that the current roster has but its also FAR more balanced and nobody would be playing out of position.

Thats the type of splash I want the Cavs to make--f'n go for it, why not? The current roster blows unless both Garland + Okoro come out looking like future All Stars which is betting on A LOT.

[JonFromVA]

Yes but it depends on the price. I'm not giving them a king's ransom because I'm genuinely concerned about his 1) Shooting 2) Work ethic 3) Injury History 4) Contract

It's going to be Sexton/Love to start and probably require 1 more asset. Either a pick or a player. Depending on what that 3rd asset is would be the deal breaker for me. I'm not big on giving up Okoro but it might need to happen because Simmons/Okoro cannot coexist.

Sexton/Love/Okoro seems like a lot for a guy with a ton of his own problems, but then again it would allow us to realign the roster and building around Garland/Simmons/Mobley sounds fun.

I would go crazy-- trade Sexton/Okoro/Love for Simmons( I would also try to pry away a guy like Korkmaz) and then trade a protected 1st next year for Cam Reddish.

Garland
Reddish
Simmons
Mobley
Allen

If we're going to get crazy let's get crazy

You need the asking price to come down on Reddish. The Hawks were asking for a lightly protected 1st for him. That ain't it. Let them extend Huerter. If Hunter is healthy, Reddish will get his minutes cut this season and his agent will ask for a trade.

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Yeah but could we wait that long if we have to give up Okoro in a trade? I think the Hakwks are delusional for their asking price.

I would offer them a heavily protected (top 8-10) 1st round pick next year and call it a day.

The prospect of Garland, Reddish, Simmons, Mobley and Allen makes me giddy because it has the potential that the current roster has but its also FAR more balanced and nobody would be playing out of position.

Thats the type of splash I want the Cavs to make--f'n go for it, why not? The current roster blows unless both Garland + Okoro come out looking like future All Stars which is betting on A LOT.

The problem is Reddish isn't a shooting guard let alone a small forward; but if central casting calls he could play the part in a movie. If we trade for Simmons, that's when you'd want to go after a Kyle Anderson or Dillon Brooks who are ready to contribute.

Of course, I have no problem betting on the current roster. I expect Mobley to take time and our other young players to continue to improve and grow as they play together; but this team isn't actually ready for an all-in move. The P&D Cavs had at least reached a .500 level before trading for Larry Nance.

[toooskies]

The problem is more that Cam Reddish can't shoot, so you really can't play him next to Simmons and certainly not in the same lineup with Allen and Mobley.

[JonFromVA]

The problem is more that Cam Reddish can't shoot, so you really can't play him next to Simmons and certainly not in the same lineup with Allen and Mobley.

Reddish shows some potential as a wing defender, but other than a couple of nice games, that's about it as far as I know. Doesn't shoot, doesn't drive, doesn't rebound, doesn't pass, doesn't finish.

The amazing thing is Atlanta thinks they should be the team getting the first round pick in a Reddish trade, but ... hey, "potential".

[toooskies]

The problem is more that Cam Reddish can't shoot, so you really can't play him next to Simmons and certainly not in the same lineup with Allen and Mobley.

Reddish shows some potential as a wing defender, but other than a couple of nice games, that's about it as far as I know. Doesn't shoot, doesn't drive, doesn't rebound, doesn't pass, doesn't finish.

The amazing thing is Atlanta thinks they should be the team getting the first round pick in a Reddish trade, but ... hey, "potential".

Yep. Even back at Duke, he had the look of an elite guy but never actually played like one. I'd rather try to pry Jalen Johnson away from ATL, even with his character questions.

[Harper4Ferry?]

I'm in if it's Sexton/Love plus a protected 1st or Sexton/Rubio/Osman/First or Sexton/Okoro/Rubio. Other than that it's probably too much. We don't have to have our team finished on the first day of the season, so I'm fine if we have deficiencies at first. We have the season to fix those.

[Harper4Ferry?]

ESPN talking heads suggested Love and 3 1sts for Simmons. If I thought that JB was competent, I might consider it. Obviously we’d be lacking outside shooting.

[Revenged25]

ESPN talking heads suggested Love and 3 1sts for Simmons. If I thought that JB was competent, I might consider it. Obviously we’d be lacking outside shooting.

I mean bringing in Lauri was specifically to address our outside shooting issues. But if it was really just Love and 3 1sts I'd do it in a heartbeat. The Cavs would then be a playoff team so the 3 firsts wouldn't matter and it's not like we expected Love to play more than 10-15 games max this season before he stubbed his big toe and has to go back to the IR.

[toooskies]

ESPN talking heads suggested Love and 3 1sts for Simmons. If I thought that JB was competent, I might consider it. Obviously we’d be lacking outside shooting.

I mean bringing in Lauri was specifically to address our outside shooting issues. But if it was really just Love and 3 1sts I'd do it in a heartbeat. The Cavs would then be a playoff team so the 3 firsts wouldn't matter and it's not like we expected Love to play more than 10-15 games max this season before he stubbed his big toe and has to go back to the IR.

Ultimately if you have more than four bad/non-shooters in your rotation your spacing is awful. For the Cavs in the Love/Simmons swap, that's Okoro, Simmons, Allen, Mobley, and then Osman and Rubio who may or may not join that group next year. Markkanen doesn't solve that-- Nance and Wade weren't bad shooters last year anyway.

The most likely of the above that we could send out is Osman, then Rubio, then Okoro. Which actually matches up well with Simmons' salary and covers his role in Philly pretty well, that deal just needs a 1st or two attached. In the meantime, everyone except Thybulle can shoot from range in Philly, so they can take on our average-to-below-average shooters.

[JonFromVA]

ESPN talking heads suggested Love and 3 1sts for Simmons. If I thought that JB was competent, I might consider it. Obviously we’d be lacking outside shooting.

The idea behind a trade like this is that Philly would convert Ben in to assets they would use to later trade for a disgruntled superstar.

My thought is that if our first round picks can get a superstar ... why don't we just wait and do that? How much would Philly be adding to such a trade that we couldn't equal? Or is it more so that the players expected to become available (Beal or Lillard) don't match our timeline?

I suspect there's a built-in presumption that we'd completely botch building around Ben and continue to land in the lottery making our picks very valuable. We should consider that a warning sign.