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Exhibit-10 Contracts = Matthews, Morgan, Pinson, Arcidiacono, Clemons, Kornet

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Re: Celtics Exhibit-10 Contracts 

Post#41 » by Parliament10 » Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:51 pm

Hal14 wrote:Roster reset. As of now, the following players will be participating in training camp for us:

1. tatum
2. brown
3. horford
4. smart
5. schroder
6. richardson
7 robert williams
8 nesmith
9 pritchard
10 langford
11 kanter
12 Juancho hernangomez
13. Grant williams
14 bruno fernando
15 jabari parker

all 15 of them are under contract for this season, but Parker's contract is not guaranteed. A portion of his contract has already been guaranteed but most of it has not been guaranteed yet

We can have up to 20 players on the roster through end of training camp. The following players will also be in camp participating

16 Juwan Morgan (training camp contract)
17 Luke Kornet (training camp contract)
18 Theo Pinson (training camp contract)
19 Sam Hauser (2-way contract)

Who will be no. 20?

Either:
a) Brandon Goodwin (worked out for the team last week)
b) Anthony Brown (worked out for the team the week before)
c) Gary Clark (worked out for the team 2 days ago)
d) Some other player (Avery Bradley, Demarcus Cousins, Wes Matthews, etc.)
e) nobody. We'll just go to camp with 19 guys

Playing overseas this season but Celtics have NBA rights for both of them:
-Yam Madar
-Juhann Begarin

Article confirming Pinson signed training camp contract: https://www.celticsblog.com/2021/9/22/22687833/report-boston-celtics-add-theo-pinson-to-training-camp-roster

We don't have too many days before the Start of Training Camp.
They better hurry up, and get whomever they're going to get.
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Re: Celtics Exhibit-10 Contracts 

Post#42 » by GoCeltics123 » Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:57 pm

Parliament10 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:Roster reset. As of now, the following players will be participating in training camp for us:

1. tatum
2. brown
3. horford
4. smart
5. schroder
6. richardson
7 robert williams
8 nesmith
9 pritchard
10 langford
11 kanter
12 Juancho hernangomez
13. Grant williams
14 bruno fernando
15 jabari parker

all 15 of them are under contract for this season, but Parker's contract is not guaranteed. A portion of his contract has already been guaranteed but most of it has not been guaranteed yet

We can have up to 20 players on the roster through end of training camp. The following players will also be in camp participating

16 Juwan Morgan (training camp contract)
17 Luke Kornet (training camp contract)
18 Theo Pinson (training camp contract)
19 Sam Hauser (2-way contract)

Who will be no. 20?

Either:
a) Brandon Goodwin (worked out for the team last week)
b) Anthony Brown (worked out for the team the week before)
c) Gary Clark (worked out for the team 2 days ago)
d) Some other player (Avery Bradley, Demarcus Cousins, Wes Matthews, etc.)
e) nobody. We'll just go to camp with 19 guys

Playing overseas this season but Celtics have NBA rights for both of them:
-Yam Madar
-Juhann Begarin

Article confirming Pinson signed training camp contract: https://www.celticsblog.com/2021/9/22/22687833/report-boston-celtics-add-theo-pinson-to-training-camp-roster

We don't have too many days before the Start of Training Camp.
They better hurry up, and get whomever they're going to get.

Most teams still have an empty slot, my guess is they'll keep one open in case someone gets cut that they like.
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Re: Celtics Exhibit-10 Contracts 

Post#43 » by Bohemian » Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:56 pm

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Re: Celtics Exhibit-10 Contracts 

Post#44 » by Parliament10 » Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:08 pm

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Re: Celtics Exhibit-10 Contracts = Kornet, Morgan, Pinson & Arcidiacono 

Post#45 » by Parliament10 » Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:49 pm

You can't go on a Two-Way, if you have 4 years NBA experience, or would go to 4 years during the Season.
That leaves most of these Camp contracts on the outside. Unless they get a full NBA Roster position.
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Re: Celtics Exhibit-10 Contracts = Kornet, Morgan, Pinson & Arcidiacono 

Post#46 » by Dogen » Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:39 am

Cool, I like Arci. At the very least he gets a shot and an opportunity to don the Celtic green once in his career.
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Re: Celtics Exhibit-10 Contracts = Kornet, Morgan, Pinson & Arcidiacono 

Post#47 » by Hal14 » Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:06 am

Parliament10 wrote:You can't go on a Two-Way, if you have 4 years NBA experience, or would go to 4 years during the Season.
That leaves most of these Camp contracts on the outside. Unless they get a full NBA Roster position.

Well, that means Juwan Morgan is the only guy we can give a 2-way contract to then.

Hauser is 1 of our 2-way contracts. The 2nd will either be Morgan, or possibly some other guy who gets cut by another team at some point between now and the start of the season and has 2 seasons or less experience in the NBA.

So there's a little bit less pressure on Morgan. For Kornet, Pinson and Arcidiacono, there's added pressure cause they can't be 2-ways so they either earn a roster spot or go bye bye.

With that being said, it would be kind of weird if we go with Hauser and Morgan as our 2-way contract guys since they play the same position (PF). Makes more sense to have guys who play different positions..
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Re: Celtics Exhibit-10 Contracts 

Post#48 » by Hal14 » Fri Sep 24, 2021 2:02 am

Parliament10 wrote:
Bohemian wrote:
Read on Twitter

That's 20.

Let's Rock n Roll.

Read on Twitter




Anybody know anything about this guy?

Based on his stats he's a decent 3 point shooter. And from watching some vids on him, looks like a big hustle guy. Not the most talent and not the biggest guy but hustles, is scrappy and goes all out. Case in point, you've gotta love the last play of this video where he comes out of nowhere, busts his a^^ to make that steal in the back court and then makes the and-1..



Even if he doesn't make the team, you know he is gonna be playing his a^^ the entire time at training camp which will likely get the other guys to play harder and pick up the intensity for everyone..



Love the hustle, man. This is the type of guy who could be a perfect 15th man on the roster..



With that being said, I was kind of hoping we were gonna sign either Nigel Hayes or Anthony Brown. Both of them looked really good in terms of their highlights from also season as well as the stats they put up last season. Both looked like wings with good size and good shooting who could have potentially been a solid double digit scorer off the bench.
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Re: Celtics Exhibit-10 Contracts 

Post#49 » by hickfromfrenchlick » Fri Sep 24, 2021 2:14 am

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Hal14 wrote:I'm actually using a combination of stats and anectodal evidence.

Thanks for posting that link - it only proves my point further. Look at that list you just posted.

Jordan Poole - was a very good contributor last year for the Warriors and Warriors fans swear that this guy is gonna win Most Improved Player this year.

Lu Dort - key contributor for the Thunder team that was the surprise team of the NBA in 2019-2020, started for them all year last season - was at times their best player and he's a projected starter this year

Cameron Payne - extremely valuable contributor off the bench for the Suns team that made the finals last year. He was their 2nd best player off the bench which earned him a contract extension this offseason.

Shake Milton - extremely valuable contributor off the bench for a Sixers team that had the best record in the east. expected to have a key role for them again this year

Keldon Johnson - won a gold medal with Team USA this summer. Started for the Spurs last year at forward and projected starter for them this year. As any Spurs fan and they will tell you they think he's gonna win Most Improved Player this year

Naz Reid - T-wolves fans love this guy. Valuable contributor for them off the bench and some t-wolves fans even think he might start for them this year

Talen Horton-Tucker - was a very valuable player for the lakers last year and is expected to play a valuable role again this year for a team that is one of the favorites to win it all

Daniel Gafford - valuable role player as the backup center last year for the wizards

Nicolas Claxton - valuable role player off the bench for the nets last year. expected to compete for the starting center job this year for a team that's one of the favorites to win it all

Did you post that list to prove that these players didn't pan out in the NBA? If so, that's kind of silly. Those are g-league stats from 2019-2020. We're still in the year 2021. In other words, it's far too early to say that these guys didn't "pan out".

Look, I'm not saying every g-leaguer is gonna be a stud. But to just completely dismiss a player who came from the g-league and claim that g-league stats "are worthless" is suspect at best.


Uh, you're just cherry-picking guys from a list of 100 players. No, my point wasn't to show that all 100 of the top scorers from 2 years ago are total non-entities and it's weird you'd think that was my point. There's very little correlation between the order of the guys on that list and how they've performed in the NBA; that's my point.

You can go back in time and it's the same. Of course, super-performers get looks in the NBA. And 1st round picks that are given time to develop often do well.

Looking at the leaderboard, the same pattern emerges. You can always find some guys who did well in the G League that also did well in the NBA. That's obviously something you're going to see. You're going to find more guys who scored 18 PPG+ and are now in China or Israel.

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/leaders/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

Getting back to the point, G League stats are one data point and not an important one given the type of basketball being played in the G League. That's not a knock on the skill level but on the flow/nature of the games. That's my view. If you have some statistical analysis demonstrating a correlation between G League and NBA stats that you can show to challenge that view, I'm all ears and I will be happy to change my view based on that. Cherry-picking anecdotal evidence from a long list isn't going to do it.

I wouldn't go that far.
Some of the actual G League Actions, are a bit telling of the actual talent level of some special players.

Not so much the Stats.
Becuase most of the players are G League quality, and not NBA caliber. But, it's a hybrid league.


I can’t tell what you’re disagreeing with. I agree many G League players end up as good NBA players and that how they perform in the G League is obviously useful for NBA FOs. All I said was relying on G League stats is a fool’s errand.

Hal saying I dismissed Pinson because he played in the G League is an absurd misrepresentation of what I said.
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Re: Celtics Exhibit-10 Contracts = Kornet, Morgan, Pinson & Arcidiacono 

Post#50 » by JimmyPlopper » Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:58 am

I like Pinson and Arcidiacono but most likely are just camp bodies.
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Re: Celtics Exhibit-10 Contracts 

Post#51 » by Bohemian » Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:14 am

Hal14 wrote:
Parliament10 wrote:
Bohemian wrote:
Read on Twitter

That's 20.

Let's Rock n Roll.

Read on Twitter




Anybody know anything about this guy?

Based on his stats he's a decent 3 point shooter. And from watching some vids on him, looks like a big hustle guy. Not the most talent and not the biggest guy but hustles, is scrappy and goes all out. Case in point, you've gotta love the last play of this video where he comes out of nowhere, busts his a^^ to make that steal in the back court and then makes the and-1..



Even if he doesn't make the team, you know he is gonna be playing his a^^ the entire time at training camp which will likely get the other guys to play harder and pick up the intensity for everyone..



Love the hustle, man. This is the type of guy who could be a perfect 15th man on the roster..



With that being said, I was kind of hoping we were gonna sign either Nigel Hayes or Anthony Brown. Both of them looked really good in terms of their highlights from also season as well as the stats they put up last season. Both looked like wings with good size and good shooting who could have potentially been a solid double digit scorer off the bench.


Hayes signed with FC Barcelona a month ago.
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Re: Celtics Exhibit-10 Contracts = Kornet, Morgan, Pinson & Arcidiacono 

Post#52 » by Bohemian » Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:17 am

Hal14 wrote:
Parliament10 wrote:You can't go on a Two-Way, if you have 4 years NBA experience, or would go to 4 years during the Season.
That leaves most of these Camp contracts on the outside. Unless they get a full NBA Roster position.

Well, that means Juwan Morgan is the only guy we can give a 2-way contract to then.

Hauser is 1 of our 2-way contracts. The 2nd will either be Morgan, or possibly some other guy who gets cut by another team at some point between now and the start of the season and has 2 seasons or less experience in the NBA.

So there's a little bit less pressure on Morgan. For Kornet, Pinson and Arcidiacono, there's added pressure cause they can't be 2-ways so they either earn a roster spot or go bye bye.

With that being said, it would be kind of weird if we go with Hauser and Morgan as our 2-way contract guys since they play the same position (PF). Makes more sense to have guys who play different positions..


That means Pinson, Arcidiacono and Kornet are fighting for the 15th regular spot with Jabari Parker, unless there is a trade in the next weeks, obviously.
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Re: Celtics Exhibit-10 Contracts 

Post#53 » by Hal14 » Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:48 pm

Bohemian wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
Parliament10 wrote:That's 20.

Let's Rock n Roll.

Read on Twitter




Anybody know anything about this guy?

Based on his stats he's a decent 3 point shooter. And from watching some vids on him, looks like a big hustle guy. Not the most talent and not the biggest guy but hustles, is scrappy and goes all out. Case in point, you've gotta love the last play of this video where he comes out of nowhere, busts his a^^ to make that steal in the back court and then makes the and-1..



Even if he doesn't make the team, you know he is gonna be playing his a^^ the entire time at training camp which will likely get the other guys to play harder and pick up the intensity for everyone..



Love the hustle, man. This is the type of guy who could be a perfect 15th man on the roster..



With that being said, I was kind of hoping we were gonna sign either Nigel Hayes or Anthony Brown. Both of them looked really good in terms of their highlights from also season as well as the stats they put up last season. Both looked like wings with good size and good shooting who could have potentially been a solid double digit scorer off the bench.


Hayes signed with FC Barcelona a month ago.

I know. I meant, like we could have signed him because there was a lot of time that went by between when we worked him out and when he signed with his new team.
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Post#54 » by GoCeltics123 » Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:18 pm

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LOVE this signing!!

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Wait ok who's getting cut?
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Post#55 » by Celts17Pride » Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:26 pm

I have been saying all off-season Celtics should sign Mathews. Kid can shoot.
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Re: Celtics Exhibit-10 Contracts = Matthews, Morgan, Pinson & Arcidiacono, (Kornet) 

Post#56 » by Parliament10 » Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:41 pm

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Wait, what? So we're gonna go to camp with 21 guys? I don't think that's allowed..

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Mathews on a two way would be great. Shooter in the wings in case of injury.
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Re: Celtics Exhibit-10 Contracts = Matthews, Morgan, Pinson & Arcidiacono, (Kornet) 

Post#58 » by Bohemian » Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:52 pm

Wow, Brad never stops!
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Re: Celtics Exhibit-10 Contracts = Matthews, Morgan, Pinson & Arcidiacono, (Kornet) 

Post#59 » by Hal14 » Fri Sep 24, 2021 2:38 pm

Bohemian wrote:Wow, Brad never stops!

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Re: Celtics Exhibit-10 Contracts = Matthews, Morgan, Pinson & Arcidiacono, (Kornet) 

Post#60 » by playa-hater » Fri Sep 24, 2021 4:03 pm

I just want to applaud the fact that after all these trades and signings, NOT one is a smurf level player.

Maybe one day I can look back at our Waters-Edwards-PP type lineups that Coach Brad Stevens used and laugh.. Probably not though.. too many scars.. :o

Hopefully those lineups went the way of the Dodo.. 8-)
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