Shams/Krawczynski: Rosas is out as POBO

[Ranger]

Doesn't everyone get a tad lonely cooked up in the office late at night during those cold MN winters? The man is only flesh and blood!

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[Ranger]

Doesn't everyone get a tad lonely cooked up in the office late at night during those cold MN winters? The man is only flesh and blood!

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I think we're now best friends. It's like being a 'wolves fan, so I apologize in advance, you 'ole lump of coal.

[Dalvin]

With Rosas out, can we trade for Rubio back?

Yeah, I know, I think you can't trade for a player back within a year of when they were traded out.

[fattymcgee]

With Rosas out, can we trade for Rubio back?

Yeah, I know, I think you can't trade for a player back within a year of when they were traded out.

W H Y ! ! !

[_AIJ_]

With Rosas out, can we trade for Rubio back?

Yeah, I know, I think you can't trade for a player back within a year of when they were traded out.

Move on already. Jeez

[shrink]

With Rosas out, can we trade for Rubio back?

Yeah, I know, I think you can't trade for a player back within a year of when they were traded out.

Sorry, you are right. Here’s what Larry Coon says

A team cannot reacquire a player it traded away during the same season (a season for this purpose being defined as starting on the first day of the regular season and ending on the last day of the Finals). If the player was traded between seasons (i.e., from the first day after the Finals to the last day prior to the start of the next regular season), it cannot reacquire the player prior to the end of the next season. If he is waived by his new team, then he cannot re-sign with his original team until the one-year anniversary of the trade, or until the July 1 following the end of his contract, whichever comes first.

[WolfAddict]

I'd take Rubio back in a heart beat.

However, I am EXTREMELY biased and my opinion should not be listened to.

[shrink]

I'd take Rubio back in a heart beat.

However, I am EXTREMELY biased and my opinion should not be listened to.

I think Ricky is the second most beloved Wolf of all time.

Get on the stick, KAT! Ant might have passed you already!

[shrink]

RealGM Wiretap gets a lot of stuff wrong. I hope the following is an error.

In the “Towns doesn’t seek a trade” article they are running now, they lead off with all the change the team has done,

The Wolves have since fired Saunders and replaced him with Chris Finch, while they're now also searching for a replacement for Finch

That’s not true right? They attribute the article to a Jonny K article in the Athletic, but I haven’t bought a subscription. Can so,ebony check this?

[fattymcgee]

RealGM Wiretap gets a lot of stuff wrong. I hope the following is an error.

In the “Towns doesn’t seek a trade” article they are running now, they lead off with all the change the team has done,

The Wolves have since fired Saunders and replaced him with Chris Finch, while they're now also searching for a replacement for Finch

That’s not true right? They attribute the article to a Jonny K article in the Athletic, but I haven’t bought a subscription. Can so,ebony check this?

Johnny's article didn't say that.
"Rosas has said on multiple occasions that the timing of Saunders’ firing was unavoidable, and he understood the pushback from some who objected to how it played out. But he said he stood by his decision to hire Chris Finch from the Toronto Raptors, a rare move to go outside the organization in the middle of the season, because he believed so strongly in Finch’s ability to lead the team. Finch has received strong reviews internally from players, coaches and executives and he will remain in place as coach. "

[Calinks]

RealGM Wiretap gets a lot of stuff wrong. I hope the following is an error.

In the “Towns doesn’t seek a trade” article they are running now, they lead off with all the change the team has done,

The Wolves have since fired Saunders and replaced him with Chris Finch, while they're now also searching for a replacement for Finch

That’s not true right? They attribute the article to a Jonny K article in the Athletic, but I haven’t bought a subscription. Can so,ebony check this?

From everything I heard today and read (I got a sub), no mention of Finch in trouble. Dan Moore and Brit Robinson on a podcast they recorded last night said that though there have been some rumbling about Rosas and Front Office turmoil since about early summer, every indication they have is that Finch is very popular in the front office, with the players, media, and the new ownership. It sounds like everyone is quite high on Finch.

They said specifically that they are pretty confident that none of this affects Finch or his status. He's insulated from the Rosas drama.

Now if we get a new GM, of course, that can go out the window but my impression is that the organization wants to see how Finch does, if we have a hot start, that will go a long way towards securing Finch.

[karch34]

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So being outside the state trying to get insight. Listened to recent Judd and Mackey. They kind of echoed same thing that this long as an owner you should have an idea of who might be a good hire why even hire an outside opinion. Even cited Stern recommending Kahn!!! Then they said ok preventing team from moving was commendable but that was 25 or more years ago. Joe Smith deal should’ve been rock bottom, so should Kahn, Thibs/Butler, etc. I’m thinking even the transition of ownership is weird and do Lore and Arod need (want) this guy to show you the ropes?

[Calinks]

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So being outside the state trying to get insight. Listened to recent Judd and Mackey. They kind of echoed same thing that this long as an owner you should have an idea of who might be a good hire why even hire an outside opinion. Even cited Stern recommending Kahn!!! Then they said ok preventing team from moving was commendable but that was 25 or more years ago. Joe Smith deal should’ve been rock bottom, so should Kahn, Thibs/Butler, etc. I’m thinking even the transition of ownership is weird and do Lore and Arod need (want) this guy to show you the ropes?

I'll give Glenn a pass on Rosas. Rosas still may have been a good GM, I know some question his moves but I liked his direction. The infidelity stuff could not be seen unless he has a big-time history with it. The treatment of staff in recent times maybe could have been discovered but I don't know he may not have done that before.

Everything I heard about Rosas was that he is this awesome, kind, family man but also a calculated businessman. That sounds like a good combination for a GM. A lot of the reports of the mess seem to be fairly recent, a year ago I don't know if there were rumblings. Maybe Rosas just kind of started to lose it as time went on and he got more comfortable with the power.

[karch34]

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So being outside the state trying to get insight. Listened to recent Judd and Mackey. They kind of echoed same thing that this long as an owner you should have an idea of who might be a good hire why even hire an outside opinion. Even cited Stern recommending Kahn!!! Then they said ok preventing team from moving was commendable but that was 25 or more years ago. Joe Smith deal should’ve been rock bottom, so should Kahn, Thibs/Butler, etc. I’m thinking even the transition of ownership is weird and do Lore and Arod need (want) this guy to show you the ropes?

I'll give Glenn a pass on Rosas. Rosas still may have been a good GM, I know some question his moves but I liked his direction. The infidelity stuff could not be seen unless he has a big-time history with it. The treatment of staff in recent times maybe could have been discovered but I don't know he may not have done that before.

Everything I heard about Rosas was that he is this awesome, kind, family man but also a calculated businessman. That sounds like a good combination for a GM. A lot of the reports of the mess seem to be fairly recent, a year ago I don't know if there were rumblings. Maybe Rosas just kind of started to lose it as time went on and he got more comfortable with the power.

Very possible. I certainly didn’t have misgivings when hired, but they also brought up the point of did anyone look into his 1 month tenure in Dallas? Seems weird now that we are more wary we brushed it over, but that due diligence I could put on Glenn.

The infidelity is likely the easiest and cleanest for the organization for an out. I get consenting adults and agree in a vacuum, but that should go to HR immediately when there’s a power difference. They can’t stop it but subordinate has opportunities to say it’s not consentual.

[Domejandro]

So being outside the state trying to get insight. Listened to recent Judd and Mackey. They kind of echoed same thing that this long as an owner you should have an idea of who might be a good hire why even hire an outside opinion. Even cited Stern recommending Kahn!!! Then they said ok preventing team from moving was commendable but that was 25 or more years ago. Joe Smith deal should’ve been rock bottom, so should Kahn, Thibs/Butler, etc. I’m thinking even the transition of ownership is weird and do Lore and Arod need (want) this guy to show you the ropes?

I'll give Glenn a pass on Rosas. Rosas still may have been a good GM, I know some question his moves but I liked his direction. The infidelity stuff could not be seen unless he has a big-time history with it. The treatment of staff in recent times maybe could have been discovered but I don't know he may not have done that before.

Everything I heard about Rosas was that he is this awesome, kind, family man but also a calculated businessman. That sounds like a good combination for a GM. A lot of the reports of the mess seem to be fairly recent, a year ago I don't know if there were rumblings. Maybe Rosas just kind of started to lose it as time went on and he got more comfortable with the power.

Very possible. I certainly didn’t have misgivings when hired, but they also brought up the point of did anyone look into his 1 month tenure in Dallas? Seems weird now that we are more wary we brushed it over, but that due diligence I could put on Glenn.

The infidelity is likely the easiest and cleanest for the organization for an out. I get consenting adults and agree in a vacuum, but that should go to HR immediately when there’s a power difference. They can’t stop it but subordinate has opportunities to say it’s not consentual.

The one month Dallas situation was because there was a dispute in the power structure (Rosas was promised more direct control), so he left. That was not an absurd red flag at all, for what it is worth.

[Klomp]

I'll give Glenn a pass on Rosas. Rosas still may have been a good GM, I know some question his moves but I liked his direction. The infidelity stuff could not be seen unless he has a big-time history with it. The treatment of staff in recent times maybe could have been discovered but I don't know he may not have done that before.

Everything I heard about Rosas was that he is this awesome, kind, family man but also a calculated businessman. That sounds like a good combination for a GM. A lot of the reports of the mess seem to be fairly recent, a year ago I don't know if there were rumblings. Maybe Rosas just kind of started to lose it as time went on and he got more comfortable with the power.

Very possible. I certainly didn’t have misgivings when hired, but they also brought up the point of did anyone look into his 1 month tenure in Dallas? Seems weird now that we are more wary we brushed it over, but that due diligence I could put on Glenn.

The infidelity is likely the easiest and cleanest for the organization for an out. I get consenting adults and agree in a vacuum, but that should go to HR immediately when there’s a power difference. They can’t stop it but subordinate has opportunities to say it’s not consentual.

The one month Dallas situation was because there was a dispute in the power structure (Rosas was promised more direct control), so he left. That was not an absurd red flag at all, for what it is worth.

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[younggunsmn]

I'll give Glenn a pass on Rosas. Rosas still may have been a good GM, I know some question his moves but I liked his direction. The infidelity stuff could not be seen unless he has a big-time history with it. The treatment of staff in recent times maybe could have been discovered but I don't know he may not have done that before.

Everything I heard about Rosas was that he is this awesome, kind, family man but also a calculated businessman. That sounds like a good combination for a GM. A lot of the reports of the mess seem to be fairly recent, a year ago I don't know if there were rumblings. Maybe Rosas just kind of started to lose it as time went on and he got more comfortable with the power.

Very possible. I certainly didn’t have misgivings when hired, but they also brought up the point of did anyone look into his 1 month tenure in Dallas? Seems weird now that we are more wary we brushed it over, but that due diligence I could put on Glenn.

The infidelity is likely the easiest and cleanest for the organization for an out. I get consenting adults and agree in a vacuum, but that should go to HR immediately when there’s a power difference. They can’t stop it but subordinate has opportunities to say it’s not consentual.

The one month Dallas situation was because there was a dispute in the power structure (Rosas was promised more direct control), so he left. That was not an absurd red flag at all, for what it is worth.

That was the official line, and we all know the official line is almost always bs. Something very fishy there.
In the real world quitting a job after 1 month is a huge red flag on your resume, and this should have been no different.

[younggunsmn]

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So being outside the state trying to get insight. Listened to recent Judd and Mackey. They kind of echoed same thing that this long as an owner you should have an idea of who might be a good hire why even hire an outside opinion. Even cited Stern recommending Kahn!!! Then they said ok preventing team from moving was commendable but that was 25 or more years ago. Joe Smith deal should’ve been rock bottom, so should Kahn, Thibs/Butler, etc. I’m thinking even the transition of ownership is weird and do Lore and Arod need (want) this guy to show you the ropes?

I'll give Glenn a pass on Rosas. Rosas still may have been a good GM, I know some question his moves but I liked his direction. The infidelity stuff could not be seen unless he has a big-time history with it. The treatment of staff in recent times maybe could have been discovered but I don't know he may not have done that before.

Everything I heard about Rosas was that he is this awesome, kind, family man but also a calculated businessman. That sounds like a good combination for a GM. A lot of the reports of the mess seem to be fairly recent, a year ago I don't know if there were rumblings. Maybe Rosas just kind of started to lose it as time went on and he got more comfortable with the power.

Can't disagree more. Everything about Rosas screams used car salesman.
Gupta walked in on him and a subordinate (married with small children) and then he barred Gupta from the facilities.
Then he is stupid enough to make out with her at a team function at a soccer game which was apparently the last straw and the first time anything got back to Glen. When President is in your title, everyone is your subordinate, I don't care if they are a direct report or not, there is going to be a clear conflict.

He also reportedly discarded the advice of the rest of the front office and went completely out on his own on the Russell trade, which was bad enough on its own to get him fired. And there were rumblings from the local insiders he was a huge jerk in the office but went out of his way to be nice to the reporters because he wanted them in his corner.
This is clearly a guy who just felt the rules didnt apply to him.

When you are management, and it doesn't even have to be upper management, you just don't dip your pen in the company ink, more is expected of you because the liability to the company is so extreme. Power structure or gender doesn't make it okay, there is a completely different standard for management than for the peasants.
If jojo the towel boy wants to make out with candy the cotton candy girl, no one is going to care as long as they are discreet and its consensual.

[younggunsmn]

So being outside the state trying to get insight. Listened to recent Judd and Mackey. They kind of echoed same thing that this long as an owner you should have an idea of who might be a good hire why even hire an outside opinion. Even cited Stern recommending Kahn!!! Then they said ok preventing team from moving was commendable but that was 25 or more years ago. Joe Smith deal should’ve been rock bottom, so should Kahn, Thibs/Butler, etc. I’m thinking even the transition of ownership is weird and do Lore and Arod need (want) this guy to show you the ropes?

I'll give Glenn a pass on Rosas. Rosas still may have been a good GM, I know some question his moves but I liked his direction. The infidelity stuff could not be seen unless he has a big-time history with it. The treatment of staff in recent times maybe could have been discovered but I don't know he may not have done that before.

Everything I heard about Rosas was that he is this awesome, kind, family man but also a calculated businessman. That sounds like a good combination for a GM. A lot of the reports of the mess seem to be fairly recent, a year ago I don't know if there were rumblings. Maybe Rosas just kind of started to lose it as time went on and he got more comfortable with the power.

Very possible. I certainly didn’t have misgivings when hired, but they also brought up the point of did anyone look into his 1 month tenure in Dallas? Seems weird now that we are more wary we brushed it over, but that due diligence I could put on Glenn.

The infidelity is likely the easiest and cleanest for the organization for an out. I get consenting adults and agree in a vacuum, but that should go to HR immediately when there’s a power difference. They can’t stop it but subordinate has opportunities to say it’s not consentual.

Even if it was consensual, the subordinate can make up whatever he/she wants, even years later.
And its very hard if not near impossible to disprove.
And in high-powered arenas like pro sports, the damage to the teams/leagues in the media to reputation can be worse than the fincancial liability.
Those are the stakes.

[Worm Guts]

I'll give Glenn a pass on Rosas. Rosas still may have been a good GM, I know some question his moves but I liked his direction. The infidelity stuff could not be seen unless he has a big-time history with it. The treatment of staff in recent times maybe could have been discovered but I don't know he may not have done that before.

Everything I heard about Rosas was that he is this awesome, kind, family man but also a calculated businessman. That sounds like a good combination for a GM. A lot of the reports of the mess seem to be fairly recent, a year ago I don't know if there were rumblings. Maybe Rosas just kind of started to lose it as time went on and he got more comfortable with the power.

Very possible. I certainly didn’t have misgivings when hired, but they also brought up the point of did anyone look into his 1 month tenure in Dallas? Seems weird now that we are more wary we brushed it over, but that due diligence I could put on Glenn.

The infidelity is likely the easiest and cleanest for the organization for an out. I get consenting adults and agree in a vacuum, but that should go to HR immediately when there’s a power difference. They can’t stop it but subordinate has opportunities to say it’s not consentual.

Even if it was consensual, the subordinate can make up whatever he/she wants, even years later.
And its very hard if not near impossible to disprove.
And in high-powered arenas like pro sports, the damage to the teams/leagues in the media to reputation can be worse than the fincancial liability.
Those are the stakes.

That’s all true, but I’ve never heard of a major sports executive being fired for a consensual relationship before. I guarantee this isn’t the first time something like this has happened before.