Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V

[Tomjas]

Hell no to taking back Aaron Gordon. He's trash.

And represented by Klutch

Some suggestions that Nuggets don’t want to pay MPJ full whack

[Sportfan73]

Hell no to taking back Aaron Gordon. He's trash.

And recently signed an extension so is untradeable , as are Barton and green. It’s Murray or bust literally

[DCasey91]

https://cavsnation.com/cavs-rumors-cleveland-willing-to-give-up-insane-trade-package-for-ben-simmons/


Everyone is available, according to this Cavs source.

Yes to Garland, no to everything else.

[DCasey91]

Jamal Murray and Maxey would actually be a lot of fun.

What defense? Overlap too. Maxey’s archetype isn’t very valuable fwiw.

I think MPJ is more likely on the table.

Jokic is Dirk+. He can make Ben and rag tags into a much better offensive system than Embiid ever could.

Embiid is more or less Hakeem (heavy volume scorer not a playmaker, + A+ tier defense).

[Sportfan73]

Jamal Murray and Maxey would actually be a lot of fun.

What defense? Overlap too. Maxey’s archetype isn’t very valuable fwiw.

I think MPJ is more likely on the table.

Jokic is Dirk+. He can make Ben and rag tags into a much better offensive system than Embiid ever could.

Embiid is more or less Hakeem (heavy volume scorer not a playmaker, + A+ tier defense).

The deal is impossible without Murray

[erving4ever]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sixers have had “multiple” conversations on Ben Simmons. Feeling around NBA is he will be moved within the next week. (Sixers will likely deny, “but they are trying,” source says.) Follow along on <a href="https://t.co/gYiqMcukIX">https://t.co/gYiqMcukIX</a> for more.</p>&mdash; Sam Amico (@AmicoHoops) <a href="

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[Tomjas]

I find Cavs interest puzzling unless the objective is to dump Love while getting Simmons at a distressed price

Better off running it back & getting another good pick

If they don’t want to pay Sexton then s & t

Expiring Love will be easier to move next year

[erving4ever]

So are we reaching the end game here? If it is Murray, i think i like that trade but when is he coming back from injury?

[DCasey91]

Jamal Murray and Maxey would actually be a lot of fun.

What defense? Overlap too. Maxey’s archetype isn’t very valuable fwiw.

I think MPJ is more likely on the table.

Jokic is Dirk+. He can make Ben and rag tags into a much better offensive system than Embiid ever could.

Embiid is more or less Hakeem (heavy volume scorer not a playmaker, + A+ tier defense).

The deal is impossible without Murray

Nothing is impossible. GM’s makes moves that comes out of blue all the time.
Ben + Jokic is absurd dividends with Murray on the outside. Gordon moved then it’s very close to a contender.

MPJ comes with issues as well.

That trio trumps us good and proper.

[Sportfan73]

What defense? Overlap too. Maxey’s archetype isn’t very valuable fwiw.

I think MPJ is more likely on the table.

Jokic is Dirk+. He can make Ben and rag tags into a much better offensive system than Embiid ever could.

Embiid is more or less Hakeem (heavy volume scorer not a playmaker, + A+ tier defense).

The deal is impossible without Murray

Nothing is impossible. GM’s makes moves that comes out of blue all the time.
Ben + Jokic is absurd dividends with Murray on the outside. Gordon moved then it’s very close to a contender.

MPJ comes with issues as well.

That trio trumps us good and proper.

Gordon, Barton, and green have recently signed restrictions. It is impossible without Murray

[DCasey91]

I find Cavs interest puzzling unless the objective is to dump Love while getting Simmons at a distressed price

Better off running it back & getting another good pick

If they don’t want to pay Sexton then s & t

Expiring Love will be easier to move next year

I’m high on Garland and Mobley. Mobley isn’t the fit here.

All the other Cavs players aren’t it.

You watch Sexton and Maxey don’t work. And later on fans we’ll be like well one problem to the next.

It’s like scoring will solve the issue. Your still left with the Harris problem and the defense will be short on the outside.

[Sportfan73]

So are we reaching the end game here? If it is Murray, i think i like that trade but when is he coming back from injury?

Him being hurt is the only equalizer that could make it happen. We were preparing to spend the year or part of it without Ben anyway, Murray is 24, Denver could see something like Curry, mpj, Ben, Gordon, joker as a title team, wouldn’t blame them honestly

[DCasey91]

The deal is impossible without Murray

Nothing is impossible. GM’s makes moves that comes out of blue all the time.
Ben + Jokic is absurd dividends with Murray on the outside. Gordon moved then it’s very close to a contender.

MPJ comes with issues as well.

That trio trumps us good and proper.

Gordon, Barton, and green have recently signed restrictions. It is impossible without Murray

That’s great news for us then. Chop off one leg and gain one of our own with Murray.

Murray + Jokic was better than MPJ + Jokic. Nuggets might have signed away their death warrant for a couple of years.

It’s a risk coming off injury but Murray + Embiid is the roundabout way of solving the problem. Embiid finally gets his two man and we can build properly from here on out.

Risk vs return it’s very tempting. A lot better than a Spurs/Cavs/Pacers package being offered.

[Sportfan73]

Nothing is impossible. GM’s makes moves that comes out of blue all the time.
Ben + Jokic is absurd dividends with Murray on the outside. Gordon moved then it’s very close to a contender.

MPJ comes with issues as well.

That trio trumps us good and proper.

Gordon, Barton, and green have recently signed restrictions. It is impossible without Murray

That’s great news for us then. Chop off one leg and gain one of our own with Murray.

Murray + Jokic was better than MPJ + Jokic. Nuggets might have signed away their death warrant for a couple of years.

It’s a risk coming off injury but Murray + Embiid is the roundabout way of solving the problem. Embiid finally gets his two man and we can build properly from here on out.

Risk vs return it’s very tempting. A lot better than a Spurs/Cavs/Pacers package being offered.

I agree, there’s a fair amount of risk from each side. Which is what makes it even possible or likely. Denver could see a Ben/Jokic fit as really good. But man Murray has playoff killer potential AND the type of game that shouldn’t be to bothered by an ACL plus should age very well. If you can’t get your star perimeter player the traditional way I would rather take the risk with Murray(injured) than go for a lower level package. This is a Morey move

[DCasey91]

Pros - Murray in form is a high tier 3 lvl scorer. Can shoot, pass, dribble and run a two man game with Embiid seamlessly. Young enough and is entering his prime years.

Cons - Can be injury prone (picks up niggles here and there after being durable his first two years). ACL takes two seasons. And is hugely inconsistent even at his best. Shockingly wide scoring ranges.
A lot of sub 10 games, sub 20 games, but also huge 40+ games all within a month lol. That’s RS Murray.

Playoff Murray? Different story. I think he likes the big occasion.

Murray in full flight can takeover games by himself. That’s exactly what everyone wants right?

The injury might be a blessing in disguise. Or it could be the curse that makes us TMAC/Ming 2.0.

Lillard is less risky but Murray at a discount and divergence of the Nuggets FO’s own pathway of preference might be the swing factor in the end.

[76ciology]

I’ll take my chances with Murray if:
- i need to trade Ben before the season start
- there are no better offers out there
- if my medical staff gives me the green light

Im not a doctor or a medical expert, but ACL injuries are not as bad as they were back then.

For the Nuggets, if this rumor is true. Then it’s because they dont value Murray that much. It could be because of the health issue or its because they got bones hyland and MPJ in the draft. like me they also know that you can (im not saying 100% everytime but good possibility) to get these scorers like Murray in the draft every year.

I also wouldnt be surprised if Nuggets asks Maxey to be included in this Ben deal. Im assuming it would be something like Murray+Gordon for Maxey+Ben

[DCasey91]

Murray
Green/Thybulle (Fingers crossed he’s the Green replacement)

Embiid

That’s a nice foundation to build from 3/5. Long athletic Wing that covers matchups. High scoring guard that can facilitate/takeover when Embiid is out/sitting. Embiid of course as the man to take us to the promise land. The switch 3/4 and the extra ballhandler isn’t that hard to get anymore.

I think Morey knows what he is doing. If he can’t get the starting five together he is still going to build a list at every step of the way. Drummond and Niang can be flipped?

Drummond was an A+ pickup imo. It’s a classic buy low/sell high proposition. Regardless of who he is it’s what he can attract closer to when teams are desperate.

[eyeatoma]

https://cavsnation.com/cavs-rumors-cleveland-willing-to-give-up-insane-trade-package-for-ben-simmons/


Everyone is available, according to this Cavs source.

It says Garland is not available, so that's not everyone lol. That's the only one we would want.

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[eyeatoma]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sixers have had “multiple” conversations on Ben Simmons. Feeling around NBA is he will be moved within the next week. (Sixers will likely deny, “but they are trying,” source says.) Follow along on <a href="https://t.co/gYiqMcukIX">https://t.co/gYiqMcukIX</a> for more.</p>&mdash; Sam Amico (@AmicoHoops) <a href="

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Bro you are really late on this stuff. Sam Amico is also clickbait. No credible sources. I do hope what he's saying is true though.

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[76ciology]

Garland.

I also like him. I think he can be an elite shooter and a 20+ppg scorer in the league.

I wouldnt mind to have him or sexton.