Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V

[stormi]

Pros - Murray in form is a high tier 3 lvl scorer. Can shoot, pass, dribble and run a two man game with Embiid seamlessly. Young enough and is entering his prime years.

Cons - Can be injury prone (picks up niggles here and there after being durable his first two years). ACL takes two seasons. And is hugely inconsistent even at his best. Shockingly wide scoring ranges.
A lot of sub 10 games, sub 20 games, but also huge 40+ games all within a month lol. That’s RS Murray.

Playoff Murray? Different story. I think he likes the big occasion.

Murray in full flight can takeover games by himself. That’s exactly what everyone wants right?

The injury might be a blessing in disguise. Or it could be the curse that makes us TMAC/Ming 2.0.

Lillard is less risky but Murray at a discount and divergence of the Nuggets FO’s own pathway of preference might be the swing factor in the end.

Disagree tbh. In terms of his 22 year old playoffs he was on the cusp of being a tier 1 general. 26 ppg shooting 7 threes a game at >45% while getting to the line ~4x per game shooting nearly 90% from the stripe, while also giving you over 6 APG.

That's super nutty. Jamal Murray is a wonderful and special offensive talent.

[Roy The Natural]

Pros - Murray in form is a high tier 3 lvl scorer. Can shoot, pass, dribble and run a two man game with Embiid seamlessly. Young enough and is entering his prime years.

Cons - Can be injury prone (picks up niggles here and there after being durable his first two years). ACL takes two seasons. And is hugely inconsistent even at his best. Shockingly wide scoring ranges.
A lot of sub 10 games, sub 20 games, but also huge 40+ games all within a month lol. That’s RS Murray.

Playoff Murray? Different story. I think he likes the big occasion.

Murray in full flight can takeover games by himself. That’s exactly what everyone wants right?

The injury might be a blessing in disguise. Or it could be the curse that makes us TMAC/Ming 2.0.

Lillard is less risky but Murray at a discount and divergence of the Nuggets FO’s own pathway of preference might be the swing factor in the end.

Disagree tbh. In terms of his 22 year old playoffs he was on the cusp of being a tier 1 general. 26 ppg shooting 7 threes a game at >45% while getting to the line ~4x per game shooting nearly 90% from the stripe, while also giving you over 6 APG.

That's super nutty. Jamal Murray is a wonderful and special offensive talent.

I'd take shooting in the bubble with a grain of salt to be honest. Practically everyone couldn't miss with the same backdrop every night and no fans. Murray's good, but I would be wary of thinking that he's going to regularly be a playoff dynamo because of his bubble performance.

[stormi]

Pros - Murray in form is a high tier 3 lvl scorer. Can shoot, pass, dribble and run a two man game with Embiid seamlessly. Young enough and is entering his prime years.

Cons - Can be injury prone (picks up niggles here and there after being durable his first two years). ACL takes two seasons. And is hugely inconsistent even at his best. Shockingly wide scoring ranges.
A lot of sub 10 games, sub 20 games, but also huge 40+ games all within a month lol. That’s RS Murray.

Playoff Murray? Different story. I think he likes the big occasion.

Murray in full flight can takeover games by himself. That’s exactly what everyone wants right?

The injury might be a blessing in disguise. Or it could be the curse that makes us TMAC/Ming 2.0.

Lillard is less risky but Murray at a discount and divergence of the Nuggets FO’s own pathway of preference might be the swing factor in the end.

Disagree tbh. In terms of his 22 year old playoffs he was on the cusp of being a tier 1 general. 26 ppg shooting 7 threes a game at >45% while getting to the line ~4x per game shooting nearly 90% from the stripe, while also giving you over 6 APG.

That's super nutty. Jamal Murray is a wonderful and special offensive talent.

I'd take shooting in the bubble with a grain of salt to be honest. Practically everyone couldn't miss with the same backdrop every night and no fans. Murray's good, but I would be wary of thinking that he's going to regularly be a playoff dynamo because of his bubble performance.

Ofc, sample size is to be absolutely considered but even in his rookie playoffs he layed out a 3.27 offensive playoff-LEBRON which is Luka/PG/Harden echelon. He's an unguardable beast that's so gifted at creating and distributing.

The 45% from 3 is probably the only value from his 22 year old playoffs that I'd be most hesitant on expecting him to replicate, but I have no doubts that he's comfortably a ~25 ppg playoff scorer that shoots a tonne of 3's at ~39/40% and gives you >5apg. He's everything you'd want from your lead-ballhandler.

[76ciology]

Can u guys link me where this Ben for Jamal Murray rumors are coming from?

[SupaManu]

This is why I keep banging on about a team like Spurs being an ideal trade partner

They have too many players on their roster and all their picks

Choose a combination AND REROUTE whatever it takes to a 3rd team for a star

Most of them suck though, if not all of them

If that were true, it makes their picks very valuable

We are rebuilding and trying to develop young players, we aren’t trading picks for Simmons. We are gonna be pretty damn bad so no shot we give up FRPs

[SupaManu]

Vassell and Primo aren’t getting traded either. I want no part of Simmons on our team

[Tomjas]

Vassell and Primo aren’t getting traded either. I want no part of Simmons on our team

Don’t you want to get a lot better?

[SupaManu]

Vassell and Primo aren’t getting traded either. I want no part of Simmons on our team

Don’t you want to get a lot better?

No, i want lottery picks. Have u seen our roster, we ain’t winning anything with or without Ben, his questionable work ethic and lack of wanting to work with yalls coaches and staff in the off-season to improve is the exact opposite of the type of player the Spurs target.

[stormi]

Vassell and Primo aren’t getting traded either. I want no part of Simmons on our team

Neither of them are good. There was zero reason to come in here and type this out unprovoked.

[SupaManu]

Vassell and Primo aren’t getting traded either. I want no part of Simmons on our team

Neither of them are good. There was zero reason to come in here and type this out unprovoked.

People have mentioned them in this thread as being involved in a trade with the Spurs and I’m just giving my opinion from following the Spurs this off-season.

[SupaManu]

I was a huge fan of Simmons coming out of LSU, i thought he had the potential to be an all timer. If he had the desire and work ethic to improve areas of his game, like his shot, similar to how young kawhi did when the Spurs drafted him, I’d be all for giving y’all whatever you want for him due to my faith in the Spurs staff. But following his progression over the years and especially the opinions of your fan base through this whole situation, it doesn’t sound like that is the case.

[Tomjas]

Vassell and Primo aren’t getting traded either. I want no part of Simmons on our team

Don’t you want to get a lot better?

No, i want lottery picks. Have u seen our roster, we ain’t winning anything with or without Ben, his questionable work ethic and lack of wanting to work with yalls coaches and staff in the off-season to improve is the exact opposite of the type of player the Spurs target.

I have seen your roster

It’s built for a trade

The “questionable work ethic” is the biggest crock that I’ve heard as it’s impossible to play defence in the way that he does unless he’s putting massive amounts of work in

His problems are mental not effort related

[SupaManu]

Don’t you want to get a lot better?

No, i want lottery picks. Have u seen our roster, we ain’t winning anything with or without Ben, his questionable work ethic and lack of wanting to work with yalls coaches and staff in the off-season to improve is the exact opposite of the type of player the Spurs target.

I have seen your roster

It’s built for a trade

The “questionable work ethic” is the biggest crock that I’ve heard as it’s impossible to play defence in the way that he does unless he’s putting massive amounts of work in

His problems are mental not effort related

Our roster is built for trades like okc did to absorb bad contracts for picks and bottom out. I’m on yalls side in this situation after the bs we dealt with from kawhi, and to make it even worse for y’all Simmons has 4 years left. I’ve read through many of the Simmons threads here and that’s what I’ve used to base my opinion of him, the opinions of 76er fans. I want y’all to get a great haul for him since I’m a huge fan of Joel, just not from us as i don’t see him as an ideal fit in our organization and with our horrible roster. He’s better than all our current players no doubt, but putting him on our team doesn’t move the needle, we still will suck, just slightly less and treadmill going nowhere with out our picks if we give them up. Then he will ask out and we will get even less than what y’all will get for him and I have no desire to deal with a kawhi situation again.

[eyeatoma]

Can u guys link me where this Ben for Jamal Murray rumors are coming from?

There are none.

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[Tomjas]

Can u guys link me where this Ben for Jamal Murray rumors are coming from?

There are none.

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Murray won’t be moved unless he’s completely crocked

[Trafford10]

Not that what the media says actually matters, but it's nice to hear several analysts criticizing Ben for the way he played against the Hawks and his reluctance to shoot, yet is the one acting like the victim. Many have also noted how he has less leverage than he thinks, given that he has 4 years left on his deal. Philly fans aren't the bad guys this time!

ha.....you know Ben said this “Yeah, I love being in Philly. I love this organization. The fans are great people. I had a bad series. I expect that (boos). It’s Philly," Simmons told the media, as quoted by Michael Scott in June.

Doc & Embiid said stuff publicly which effectively pointed the finger at Simmons and the pitchfork fans came for Ben, and how.

From then and the reaction of the fans any ongoing relationship between Philadelphia and Ben was untenable. Why would anyone expect Ben to stay somewhere where he is so clearly not wanted, that's super uncomfortable right?

At least Ben is prepared to take the fines and not get paid. He could say "mental health issue" and not turn up and still get paid.

[SixthStreet]

I don't believe the Nuggets would move Murray. Seems so crazy and dumb for a well run franchise. Of all the guys the board has been floating as a primary piece in a Ben trade, Murray is probably the best player by a significant margin. The ACL doesn't depress his value to Simmons' level. I'd be shocked but that's why the owners paid Morey.

[DCasey91]

Pros - Murray in form is a high tier 3 lvl scorer. Can shoot, pass, dribble and run a two man game with Embiid seamlessly. Young enough and is entering his prime years.

Cons - Can be injury prone (picks up niggles here and there after being durable his first two years). ACL takes two seasons. And is hugely inconsistent even at his best. Shockingly wide scoring ranges.
A lot of sub 10 games, sub 20 games, but also huge 40+ games all within a month lol. That’s RS Murray.

Playoff Murray? Different story. I think he likes the big occasion.

Murray in full flight can takeover games by himself. That’s exactly what everyone wants right?

The injury might be a blessing in disguise. Or it could be the curse that makes us TMAC/Ming 2.0.

Lillard is less risky but Murray at a discount and divergence of the Nuggets FO’s own pathway of preference might be the swing factor in the end.

Disagree tbh. In terms of his 22 year old playoffs he was on the cusp of being a tier 1 general. 26 ppg shooting 7 threes a game at >45% while getting to the line ~4x per game shooting nearly 90% from the stripe, while also giving you over 6 APG.

That's super nutty. Jamal Murray is a wonderful and special offensive talent.

Oh my high tier is more like the Pareto Principle lol.

[DCasey91]

Can u guys link me where this Ben for Jamal Murray rumors are coming from?

I think this is more or less the brainpower here coming from us lol. Market needs/wants etc.

It’s a Morey move though. CJ would probably be the last name on the list when all other options are exhausted. The hard is forced (expected the Simmons move to have been done ages ago).

Morey is trying to get the best deal possible and not get fleeced.

[DCasey91]

If the Pelicans are smart (which they aren’t) and forward thinking they would call up the Wolves and us and work on a 3 way deal so each party gets what they want. Ingram gone, Ben gone, Edwards gone.

More than likely saves them the heartbreak in due time (Zion gone). There’s flexibility too with subbing out us or the Wolves for the Blazers or hell with it go 4 way madness.