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[zimpy27]

Murray, MPJ for Simmons, Maxey, Thybulle

Terrible for 76ers ..can’t seen them doing this unless they really good about MPJ

Really? That bad?

What package is fair for Murray and MPJ in your opinion?

[jazzfan1971]

Crazy idea.

Give Seattle a team. Give them Simmons. Philly gets the first 2 first rounders from Seattle. #4 in year one and whatever spot it lands in year #2.

[BlazersBroncos]

Murray, MPJ for Simmons, Maxey, Thybulle

Terrible for 76ers ..can’t seen them doing this unless they really good about MPJ

wut?

Thats absurd value for Simmons and two young role players.

No matter how much you like Maxey, the chances of him becoming as good as MPJ is very, very low.

Murray and Simmons straight up is much closer. I still wouldnt do that for DEN, I dont think they can afford to move their only non-big who can create his own shot at a high caliber level.

[the_process]

Curry and Simmons for Green and Murray?

[jayjaysee]

Curry and Simmons for Green and Murray?

Think Simmons will be a sixer Dec 14th?

I would just try to make it work by having Denver get whatever the third team is giving up since Simmons is just a weird fit with the way Denver has built their team.

Sexton+ for Murray for Simmons based three team deal?

Again don’t love Denver giving up on Murray or Philly telling Joel to take a year off. But think that’s an easier deal to make work.

[the_process]

Curry and Simmons for Green and Murray?

Think Simmons will be a sixer Dec 14th?

I would just try to make it work by having Denver get whatever the third team is giving up since Simmons is just a weird fit with the way Denver has built their team.

Sexton+ for Murray for Simmons based three team deal?

Again don’t love Denver giving up on Murray or Philly telling Joel to take a year off. But think that’s an easier deal to make work.

Oh Green can't be aggregated either? Well then I have no idea what other salary DEN has to match Curry then.

Simmons for Murray straight up works. No reason to add Sexton. I wouldn't be interested in dealing with CLE at this point unless Garland or Mobley is part of the return.

[Sportfan73]

Curry and Simmons for Green and Murray?

Think Simmons will be a sixer Dec 14th?

I would just try to make it work by having Denver get whatever the third team is giving up since Simmons is just a weird fit with the way Denver has built their team.

Sexton+ for Murray for Simmons based three team deal?

Again don’t love Denver giving up on Murray or Philly telling Joel to take a year off. But think that’s an easier deal to make work.

Oh Green can't be aggregated either? Well then I have no idea what other salary DEN has to match Curry then.

Simmons for Murray straight up works. No reason to add Sexton. I wouldn't be interested in dealing with CLE at this point unless Garland or Mobley is part of the return.

This is why I said Simmons, Curry, and shake for Murray and Morris

[the_process]

Think Simmons will be a sixer Dec 14th?

I would just try to make it work by having Denver get whatever the third team is giving up since Simmons is just a weird fit with the way Denver has built their team.

Sexton+ for Murray for Simmons based three team deal?

Again don’t love Denver giving up on Murray or Philly telling Joel to take a year off. But think that’s an easier deal to make work.

Oh Green can't be aggregated either? Well then I have no idea what other salary DEN has to match Curry then.

Simmons for Murray straight up works. No reason to add Sexton. I wouldn't be interested in dealing with CLE at this point unless Garland or Mobley is part of the return.

This is why I said Simmons, Curry, and shake for Murray and Morris

Yeah, I would do that.

[Ballerhogger]

Murray, MPJ for Simmons, Maxey, Thybulle

Terrible for 76ers ..can’t seen them doing this unless they really good about MPJ

Really? That bad?

What package is fair for Murray and MPJ in your opinion?

Murray won’t be playing until January , they want to win now . MPJ defense is bad , has had back issues . thybulle is needed to defend the wings in the East. I’d say give up maxey first before thy

[basketballwacko2]

The 76ers need to do something sooner rather than later as this drags out Ben's value only drops. I still like my Kings/76ers deal if the kings would offer that Bagley, Mitchell, Hield and a lotto protected pick that becomes a top 3 after 2 years. I think the pick would convey in 2022 so the protections shouldn't be an issue.

[BelgradeNugget]

Terrible for 76ers ..can’t seen them doing this unless they really good about MPJ

Really? That bad?

What package is fair for Murray and MPJ in your opinion?

Murray won’t be playing until January , they want to win now . MPJ defense is bad , has had back issues . thybulle is needed to defend the wings in the East. I’d say give up maxey first before thy

So Nuggets trade Murray who had one of the best playoffs performances in recent years in the Nuggets run to WCF, for a player who is unplayable in the playoffs. And add even more value because Murray tore his ACL? I have an idea maybe another player who has ACL injury, is much older than Murray and is injury-prone. And by the way, Murray outplayed him in the playoffs last year. What about Kawhi ++ for Simmons?
And with all that Nuggets should add one of the most talented wing scorers, MPJ who averaged 19 ppg on 54/45/79. After Murray's injury, MPJ averaged 24 on 56/49/85. Because he is a bad defender. I have in mind some other bad defenders 76ers should look first like Luka, Tray, Zion...
If Nuggets can't trade AG + some of the other role players and picks there is no possibility of a trade. Jokic, Murray, and MPJ are untouchables.

[patman66]

Interesting to see that the return on a potential Simmons trade has actually gone up in the last few weeks here. I think the opposite is probably true. With Simmons digging in his heels as camp starts next week, I'm not sure why his value wouldn't be plummeting. The idea that Simmons, Thybulle, Maxey, and a first for Beal is "too much" for the Sixers or that the Wolves would give up Ant in a Simmons deal at this point is really, really silly. Yes, Ben Simmons was an all-star, but he's not in the upper-tier of NBA players and when was the last time that teams got even a good return for a lower-level all-star on a max deal?

The Wolves got Bayless, Covington, Saric, and a 2nd for Jimmy in 2018.

The Hornets got Gordon, Kaman, Aminu, and a first for Chris Paul.

The Rockets got Chris Paul (a then damaged asset) and two protected firsts for Russell Westbrook.

The Pacers got Sabonis and Oladipo for Paul George.

The Pelicans got Eric Bledsoe, two late, late firsts, and two pick swaps (that very likely won't happen) for Jrue Holiday.

The Knicks got Kanter, McDermott, and a second for Melo.

Yes, there were extenuating circumstances in almost every one of those situations, but there's extenuating circumstances here too. A team that could potentially be a title contender's second-best player is not coming to training camp and all indications are that he's going to ride this thing out as long as he has to. Unless that changes, I think some of you are being very unrealistic in regards to Simmons' value.

Jrue was expiring. Dipo and Sabonis had good value at the time. It wasn't this Dipo.

Ya'll was all wrong on Paul and some of us told you at the time.

Kaman was an all-star, Gordon was a rising star, and Aminu a recent lotto pick. It didn't pan out, but that was a lot of value.

And Butler was a huge mess and was expiring.


These feel like cherry-picked examples.

Why not use KP where the Knicks dumped $60M in unwanted money, got a recent lotto pick, an unprotected first, and an additional first? And he was injured and expiring and not the player Simmons was and he was a malcontent having made it clear he wanted no part of New York.

Why not use Vuc, a lessor player who returned two lightly protected picks, a young big, and they got to dump a bad contract?

Have to be careful not to just use the examples that fit the conclusion you've already reached while telling everyone else they are being unrealistic.

maybe it was just me, but I thought Dipo was overpaid and Sabonis was a project who scored 6 points with a .45 eff after playing 20mpg with the thunder. I thought the pacers got hosed at the time.

[Darthlukey]

Crazy idea.

Give Seattle a team. Give them Simmons. Philly gets the first 2 first rounders from Seattle. #4 in year one and whatever spot it lands in year #2.

In a vacuum I like the idea. Relieves philly of the salary and gives them assets. But in reality, philly want players and there is no guarantee they can get players they want for those picks. Alternately, Simmons to new Seattle team, sga to philly and the 2 picks to okc

[Darthlukey]

Interesting to see that the return on a potential Simmons trade has actually gone up in the last few weeks here. I think the opposite is probably true. With Simmons digging in his heels as camp starts next week, I'm not sure why his value wouldn't be plummeting. The idea that Simmons, Thybulle, Maxey, and a first for Beal is "too much" for the Sixers or that the Wolves would give up Ant in a Simmons deal at this point is really, really silly. Yes, Ben Simmons was an all-star, but he's not in the upper-tier of NBA players and when was the last time that teams got even a good return for a lower-level all-star on a max deal?

The Wolves got Bayless, Covington, Saric, and a 2nd for Jimmy in 2018.

The Hornets got Gordon, Kaman, Aminu, and a first for Chris Paul.

The Rockets got Chris Paul (a then damaged asset) and two protected firsts for Russell Westbrook.

The Pacers got Sabonis and Oladipo for Paul George.

The Pelicans got Eric Bledsoe, two late, late firsts, and two pick swaps (that very likely won't happen) for Jrue Holiday.

The Knicks got Kanter, McDermott, and a second for Melo.

Yes, there were extenuating circumstances in almost every one of those situations, but there's extenuating circumstances here too. A team that could potentially be a title contender's second-best player is not coming to training camp and all indications are that he's going to ride this thing out as long as he has to. Unless that changes, I think some of you are being very unrealistic in regards to Simmons' value.

Jrue was expiring. Dipo and Sabonis had good value at the time. It wasn't this Dipo.

Ya'll was all wrong on Paul and some of us told you at the time.

Kaman was an all-star, Gordon was a rising star, and Aminu a recent lotto pick. It didn't pan out, but that was a lot of value.

And Butler was a huge mess and was expiring.


These feel like cherry-picked examples.

Why not use KP where the Knicks dumped $60M in unwanted money, got a recent lotto pick, an unprotected first, and an additional first? And he was injured and expiring and not the player Simmons was and he was a malcontent having made it clear he wanted no part of New York.

Why not use Vuc, a lessor player who returned two lightly protected picks, a young big, and they got to dump a bad contract?

Have to be careful not to just use the examples that fit the conclusion you've already reached while telling everyone else they are being unrealistic.

maybe it was just me, but I thought Dipo was overpaid and Sabonis was a project who scored 6 points with a .45 eff after playing 20mpg with the thunder. I thought the pacers got hosed at the time.

Agreed, ar the time looked terrible. But then PG started slow, dipo had a career year and sabonis showed his real potential

[kuclas]

Interesting to see that the return on a potential Simmons trade has actually gone up in the last few weeks here. I think the opposite is probably true. With Simmons digging in his heels as camp starts next week, I'm not sure why his value wouldn't be plummeting. The idea that Simmons, Thybulle, Maxey, and a first for Beal is "too much" for the Sixers or that the Wolves would give up Ant in a Simmons deal at this point is really, really silly. Yes, Ben Simmons was an all-star, but he's not in the upper-tier of NBA players and when was the last time that teams got even a good return for a lower-level all-star on a max deal?

The Wolves got Bayless, Covington, Saric, and a 2nd for Jimmy in 2018.

The Hornets got Gordon, Kaman, Aminu, and a first for Chris Paul.

The Rockets got Chris Paul (a then damaged asset) and two protected firsts for Russell Westbrook.

The Pacers got Sabonis and Oladipo for Paul George.

The Pelicans got Eric Bledsoe, two late, late firsts, and two pick swaps (that very likely won't happen) for Jrue Holiday.

The Knicks got Kanter, McDermott, and a second for Melo.

Yes, there were extenuating circumstances in almost every one of those situations, but there's extenuating circumstances here too. A team that could potentially be a title contender's second-best player is not coming to training camp and all indications are that he's going to ride this thing out as long as he has to. Unless that changes, I think some of you are being very unrealistic in regards to Simmons' value.

Jrue was expiring. Dipo and Sabonis had good value at the time. It wasn't this Dipo.

Ya'll was all wrong on Paul and some of us told you at the time.

Kaman was an all-star, Gordon was a rising star, and Aminu a recent lotto pick. It didn't pan out, but that was a lot of value.

And Butler was a huge mess and was expiring.


These feel like cherry-picked examples.

Why not use KP where the Knicks dumped $60M in unwanted money, got a recent lotto pick, an unprotected first, and an additional first? And he was injured and expiring and not the player Simmons was and he was a malcontent having made it clear he wanted no part of New York.

Why not use Vuc, a lessor player who returned two lightly protected picks, a young big, and they got to dump a bad contract?

Have to be careful not to just use the examples that fit the conclusion you've already reached while telling everyone else they are being unrealistic.

maybe it was just me, but I thought Dipo was overpaid and Sabonis was a project who scored 6 points with a .45 eff after playing 20mpg with the thunder. I thought the pacers got hosed at the time.

You have different circumstances. PG already told pacers he wasn’t resigning on expiring contract.

[doctor him]

The 76ers need to do something sooner rather than later as this drags out Ben's value only drops.

Actually, that's not true.

Simmons' "value" actually will go "up" once the season starts. How? I'm glad you asked.

Right now every team has their "plan" for the season and expect it to bear fruit. But some teams are going to start out slower than they expected. For some it'll be much slower.

So let's say for argument's sake that Portland starts out 2-8 in their first 10. What does Lillard say then?

Or whatever team. Again, it only takes 1 or 2 teams to come close to the asking price to get a deal rolling.

So Simmons' value can't go anywhere but up, and Morey won't be under any actual pressure until the all star break to make a move. Even if the Sixers start out at like a 4 or 5 seed.

[patman66]

The 76ers need to do something sooner rather than later as this drags out Ben's value only drops.

Actually, that's not true.

Simmons' "value" actually will go "up" once the season starts. How? I'm glad you asked.

Right now every team has their "plan" for the season and expect it to bear fruit. But some teams are going to start out slower than they expected. For some it'll be much slower.

So let's say for argument's sake that Portland starts out 2-8 in their first 10. What does Lillard say then?

Or whatever team. Again, it only takes 1 or 2 teams to come close to the asking price to get a deal rolling.

So Simmons' value can't go anywhere but up, and Morey won't be under any actual pressure until the all star break to make a move. Even if the Sixers start out at like a 4 or 5 seed.

What does simmons have to do with Dame? Just because portland may move him does not mean Philly has the best offer. I can see it from a philly fan being pleased with that, but it does not make simmons any more palatable to the trailblazers. Dames value going down has nothing to do with Simmons value going up.

I think that would be a great move for Philly and one of the best partners for Portland as philly has some nice young pieces to include with Simmons. Just don't think that because another star is available makes simmons more valuable. It may even lessen the amount of comp for simmons as now Lillard is available, albeit at a higher cost.

[giberish]

The 76ers need to do something sooner rather than later as this drags out Ben's value only drops.

Actually, that's not true.

Simmons' "value" actually will go "up" once the season starts. How? I'm glad you asked.

Right now every team has their "plan" for the season and expect it to bear fruit. But some teams are going to start out slower than they expected. For some it'll be much slower.

So let's say for argument's sake that Portland starts out 2-8 in their first 10. What does Lillard say then?

Or whatever team. Again, it only takes 1 or 2 teams to come close to the asking price to get a deal rolling.

So Simmons' value can't go anywhere but up, and Morey won't be under any actual pressure until the all star break to make a move. Even if the Sixers start out at like a 4 or 5 seed.

I wouldn't be too sure of that.

First, Philly may start out worse then a 4 or 5 seed which would significantly increase pressure on the 76ers to make a deal.

Second, Simmons isn't a very 'plug and play' player. For a new team adding him the best case would have been a deal early in the offseason when they could make secondary moves to account for him. Failing that, at least having a training camp and preseason to get used to him has value. The awkwardness of working Simmons in would limit the on-court value for this year to his new team.

Third, the underperforming teams (and there certainly will be some) may not be teams where a Simmons trade makes sense, either due to fit, tradable assets, salary matching or other reasons. If this happens, then combined with #2 the demand for Simmons will drop while Philly's urgency in moving him may increase.

[JRoy]

The 76ers need to do something sooner rather than later as this drags out Ben's value only drops.

Actually, that's not true.

Simmons' "value" actually will go "up" once the season starts. How? I'm glad you asked.

Right now every team has their "plan" for the season and expect it to bear fruit. But some teams are going to start out slower than they expected. For some it'll be much slower.

So let's say for argument's sake that Portland starts out 2-8 in their first 10. What does Lillard say then?

Or whatever team. Again, it only takes 1 or 2 teams to come close to the asking price to get a deal rolling.

So Simmons' value can't go anywhere but up, and Morey won't be under any actual pressure until the all star break to make a move. Even if the Sixers start out at like a 4 or 5 seed.

What If PHI starts out 2-8?

All the pressure is on PHI to make a deal.

[basketballwacko2]

The 76ers need to do something sooner rather than later as this drags out Ben's value only drops.

Actually, that's not true.

Simmons' "value" actually will go "up" once the season starts. How? I'm glad you asked.

Right now every team has their "plan" for the season and expect it to bear fruit. But some teams are going to start out slower than they expected. For some it'll be much slower.

So let's say for argument's sake that Portland starts out 2-8 in their first 10. What does Lillard say then?

Or whatever team. Again, it only takes 1 or 2 teams to come close to the asking price to get a deal rolling.

So Simmons' value can't go anywhere but up, and Morey won't be under any actual pressure until the all star break to make a move. Even if the Sixers start out at like a 4 or 5 seed.

This is some very convoluted logic. So 10 games into the season Ben has had no training camp and hasn't played. And I'm supposed to believe that makes him more valuable. Maybe if Lillard demands a trade it reduces his value, but I'm pretty sure you're not getting Lillard straight up for Simmons.