Texas Chuck wrote:timeaftertime wrote:Interesting to see that the return on a potential Simmons trade has actually gone up in the last few weeks here. I think the opposite is probably true. With Simmons digging in his heels as camp starts next week, I'm not sure why his value wouldn't be plummeting. The idea that Simmons, Thybulle, Maxey, and a first for Beal is "too much" for the Sixers or that the Wolves would give up Ant in a Simmons deal at this point is really, really silly. Yes, Ben Simmons was an all-star, but he's not in the upper-tier of NBA players and when was the last time that teams got even a good return for a lower-level all-star on a max deal?
The Wolves got Bayless, Covington, Saric, and a 2nd for Jimmy in 2018.
The Hornets got Gordon, Kaman, Aminu, and a first for Chris Paul.
The Rockets got Chris Paul (a then damaged asset) and two protected firsts for Russell Westbrook.
The Pacers got Sabonis and Oladipo for Paul George.
The Pelicans got Eric Bledsoe, two late, late firsts, and two pick swaps (that very likely won't happen) for Jrue Holiday.
The Knicks got Kanter, McDermott, and a second for Melo.
Yes, there were extenuating circumstances in almost every one of those situations, but there's extenuating circumstances here too. A team that could potentially be a title contender's second-best player is not coming to training camp and all indications are that he's going to ride this thing out as long as he has to. Unless that changes, I think some of you are being very unrealistic in regards to Simmons' value.
Jrue was expiring. Dipo and Sabonis had good value at the time. It wasn't this Dipo.
Ya'll was all wrong on Paul and some of us told you at the time.
Kaman was an all-star, Gordon was a rising star, and Aminu a recent lotto pick. It didn't pan out, but that was a lot of value.
And Butler was a huge mess and was expiring.
These feel like cherry-picked examples.
Why not use KP where the Knicks dumped $60M in unwanted money, got a recent lotto pick, an unprotected first, and an additional first? And he was injured and expiring and not the player Simmons was and he was a malcontent having made it clear he wanted no part of New York.
Why not use Vuc, a lessor player who returned two lightly protected picks, a young big, and they got to dump a bad contract?
Have to be careful not to just use the examples that fit the conclusion you've already reached while telling everyone else they are being unrealistic.
I mean, your examples are just as cherry-picked and also not very good returns.
Porzingis was traded with Trey Burke, Tim Hardaway Jr., and Courtney Lee. The Knicks only got two vets that were past their peak (Jordan and Matthews), a prospect that's about to struggle to get minutes on a fringe playoff team three years later (DSJ), an unprotected first from a team that expected to make the playoffs, and a heavily-protected future first.
Vuc was traded alongside Aminu (who only had one year left on his deal) for Carter (a second-tier prospect due for a big raise), Porter (who they immediately lost in FA), the eighth pick in the draft that just occured, and another first that likely won't be in the lottery. I think that's a solid return, but it's a far cry from Anthony Edwards or Brad Beal.
