Thoughts in General, Rumors, etc 4.0

[bondom34]

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[Texas Chuck]

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Well this is awesome.

[K_chile22]

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Original reporting was he was taking the QO, good for him, seems he used it to leverage a better deal

I'll always be rooting for him, sister went to HS with him when he was in San Antonio and he's apparently a really good, humble kid

[jayjaysee]

My adjustment.

Gives OKC a clear target (Wiseman). DAL a tiny bit more value (I think? keeps Green and sends out Brown). Gets GS another guy ready to play.

GS In: WCS/DFS/Dort (3 rotation guys and absolutely huge savings)

DAL In: Wiggins/Favors

OKC In: Powell/Wiseman/Burke/Brown/Mulder

I just don’t see GS selling low on Wiseman. Even if I don’t think it’s that bad of value, the team probably does.

I don’t think it’s an issue if Dallas has to pay Favors or not. I like having the 9 million expiring for next offseason trades. Or for a “Sexton” for Favors+picks complicated mid season trade. Or insert name. Or use Bullock to keep a reliable backup center. Or favors and Bullock and assets for an expensive player. Whatever.

I don’t think it’s a bad idea to have WCS end up in Charlotte for a couple min contracts that OKC or Dallas buy out to save GS 20 mil or whatever it would be. That seems smart of Chuck actually.

Or have GSW send a couple extra seconds with WCS to land Kenrich instead of WCS?

[eminence]

My adjustment.

Gives OKC a clear target (Wiseman). DAL a tiny bit more value (I think? keeps Green and sends out Brown). Gets GS another guy ready to play.

GS In: WCS/DFS/Dort (3 rotation guys and absolutely huge savings)

DAL In: Wiggins/Favors

OKC In: Powell/Wiseman/Burke/Brown/Mulder

I just don’t see GS selling low on Wiseman. Even if I don’t think it’s that bad of value, the team probably does.

I don’t think it’s an issue if Dallas has to pay Favors or not. I like having the 9 million expiring for next offseason trades. Or for a “Sexton” for Favors+picks complicated mid season trade. Or insert name, and can use Favors+Bullock/whatever.

I don’t think it’s a bad idea to have WCS end up in Charlotte for a couple min contracts that OKC or Dallas buy out to save GS 20 mil or whatever it would be. That seems smart of Chuck actually.

Or have GSW send a couple extra seconds with WCS to land Kenrich instead of WCS?

Looking at our depth chart I’d value WCS over Williams in a deal like the above.

[HartfordWhalers]

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Original reporting was he was taking the QO, good for him, seems he used it to leverage a better deal

I'll always be rooting for him, sister went to HS with him when he was in San Antonio and he's apparently a really good, humble kid

It was interesting, a full 2nd year gtd is a bit ambitious for where he was picked. In contrast for instance, last years 53rd pick signed a 1 year 2 way deal at the time and now has signed a 2nd two way deal. But on the other hand, someone last year like Isaiah Joe at 49 did get a 2nd year gtd. And the reporting was that he slipped to 53 because he had 2(+?) years gtd if he went undrafted, and teams didn't want to gtd that much... which could all be spin.

I might be a but cynical but I think his agent tried to capitalize on the Simmons drama and hope that the Sixers couldn't afford any more bad publicity. Also, it really doesn't look right when the Sixers give 2m to NOP to get his rights and then wouldn't even offer him 2m gtd.

This seems the right compromise on both sides.

[K_chile22]

And the reporting was that he slipped to 53 because he had 2(+?) years gtd if he went undrafted, and teams didn't want to gtd that much... which could all be spin..

I actually hadn't heard that anywhere, would see how he would be upset with them if that were true, but I always saw him going late 2nd round so didn't think anything was off there

[HartfordWhalers]

And the reporting was that he slipped to 53 because he had 2(+?) years gtd if he went undrafted, and teams didn't want to gtd that much... which could all be spin..

I actually hadn't heard that anywhere, would see how he would be upset with them if that were true, but I always saw him going late 2nd round so didn't think anything was off there

Quick googling found it mentioned here, as well as being behind the athletic's paywall:

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/09/13/report-76ers-offering-second-rounder-charles-bassey-smaller-guarantee-than-he-couldve-gotten-as-undrafted-free-agent/

As to whether it was indeed true....

[K_chile22]

Looks like the BS religious exemption I thought he'd get will not happen

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So either he gets the shot or chaos

[pacers33granger]

I know there are strong feelings about the vaccine, but if Wiggins doesn't get it that's 100% confirmation that he doesn't give a crap about basketball whatsoever. The guy is set to make over $30 mil to be the 3rd or 4th guy on a potential contender playing off of two of the greatest shooters of all time. But instead he might opt to be 1 of a handful (if that) of guys in the league to sit instead. If he does hopefully the league will allow the Warriors to give the spot to someone who wants it.

I know there's time and he was waiting on the potential exemption, but it's crazy it's gotten this far.

[jayu70]

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[Resistance]

I know there are strong feelings about the vaccine, but if Wiggins doesn't get it that's 100% confirmation that he doesn't give a crap about basketball whatsoever. The guy is set to make over $30 mil to be the 3rd or 4th guy on a potential contender playing off of two of the greatest shooters of all time. But instead he might opt to be 1 of a handful (if that) of guys in the league to sit instead. If he does hopefully the league will allow the Warriors to give the spot to someone who wants it.

I know there's time and he was waiting on the potential exemption, but it's crazy it's gotten this far.

So 100% confirmation if he doesn't get the vaccine.

What percentage did you have him at prior to the recent spotlight on the vaccine decision?

[MoneyTalks41890]

I know there are strong feelings about the vaccine, but if Wiggins doesn't get it that's 100% confirmation that he doesn't give a crap about basketball whatsoever. The guy is set to make over $30 mil to be the 3rd or 4th guy on a potential contender playing off of two of the greatest shooters of all time. But instead he might opt to be 1 of a handful (if that) of guys in the league to sit instead. If he does hopefully the league will allow the Warriors to give the spot to someone who wants it.

I know there's time and he was waiting on the potential exemption, but it's crazy it's gotten this far.

So 100% confirmation if he doesn't get the vaccine.

What percentage did you have him at prior to the recent spotlight on the vaccine decision?

As an extremely pro vaccine person this squeeze feels awkward and too public

[Resistance]

I know there are strong feelings about the vaccine, but if Wiggins doesn't get it that's 100% confirmation that he doesn't give a crap about basketball whatsoever. The guy is set to make over $30 mil to be the 3rd or 4th guy on a potential contender playing off of two of the greatest shooters of all time. But instead he might opt to be 1 of a handful (if that) of guys in the league to sit instead. If he does hopefully the league will allow the Warriors to give the spot to someone who wants it.

I know there's time and he was waiting on the potential exemption, but it's crazy it's gotten this far.

So 100% confirmation if he doesn't get the vaccine.

What percentage did you have him at prior to the recent spotlight on the vaccine decision?

As an extremely pro vaccine person this squeeze feels awkward and too public

I was curious about what percentage pacers33granger had for Wiggins in regards to not really carrying about basketball prior to the current discussion about getting or not getting the vaccine. From my POV, I already had him near 100% prior to the conversation about getting a shot.


Since you brought me into the vaccine discussion, I will give my two cents.

Seems there was grumbling years ago by at least one NBA player about having games on Christmas Day. I keep thinking that it was McHale that was complaining, but maybe it was somebody else.

Now fast forward to Wiggins and the discussion about getting a Shot. He is due $31,579,390 this season which is more than a person would make working for 50 years at an average of $600,000 a year.


I understand players not liking things that impact their personal lives such as playing on Christmas Day or getting a Shot, but taking the Serious Money while still expecting to be treated as a normal Working Joe strikes me as wrong.

I realize that I post quite a bit in reference to the CBA and that there is nothing in the CBA about getting the Shot, but
my post isn't about the CBA.

[tidho]

Not wanting to be force fed a vaccine by the government does not mean he doesn't care about basketball. It means he cares about not getting the vaccine more.

I think the more the government forces it the more folks that don't want it are going to resist, and i don't blame them. This is an absolute gigantic overreach by government, and has been from the start.

Have my shots btw (because i chose to) so you can save the hate speech for somebody else.

[zimpy27]

Not wanting to be force fed a vaccine by the government does not mean he doesn't care about basketball. It means he cares about not getting the vaccine more.

I think the more the government forces it the more folks that don't want it are going to resist, and i don't blame them. This is an absolute gigantic overreach by government, and has been from the start.

Have my shots btw (because i chose to) so you can save the hate speech for somebody else.

Well his order of care is probably:
Money > Vaccine > Basketball

[loserX]

Just a reminder, folks: this is a basketball board. We have a current affairs board for anyone who wants to register their opinion about vaccines. Let's keep it on topic here, please.

[bwgood77]

Not wanting to be force fed a vaccine by the government does not mean he doesn't care about basketball. It means he cares about not getting the vaccine more.

I think the more the government forces it the more folks that don't want it are going to resist, and i don't blame them. This is an absolute gigantic overreach by government, and has been from the start.

Have my shots btw (because i chose to) so you can save the hate speech for somebody else.

These are just rules in San Francisco for the safety of people. Yes, he can choose not to get it but will have to suffer whatever consequences come with that choice because safety of the public around him should come before his personal feelings.

[Mamba4Goat]

Just a reminder, folks: this is a basketball board. We have a current affairs board for anyone who wants to register their opinion about vaccines. Let's keep it on topic here, please.

Just echoing this—you’re more than welcome to quote a poster and move your discussion over to the current affairs board. As much as I’d love to have a vaccine discussion here, I’m more interested in talking about how Golden State landed Avery Bradley and Langston Galloway today.

[JimmyPlopper]

Not wanting to be force fed a vaccine by the government does not mean he doesn't care about basketball. It means he cares about not getting the vaccine more.

I think the more the government forces it the more folks that don't want it are going to resist, and i don't blame them. This is an absolute gigantic overreach by government, and has been from the start.

Have my shots btw (because i chose to) so you can save the hate speech for somebody else.

These are just rules in San Francisco for the safety of people. Yes, he can choose not to get it but will have to suffer whatever consequences come with that choice because safety of the public around him should come before his personal feelings.

This actually feels like something the players union could fight back on if they wanted to. Why? Andrew Wiggins never signed to play in San Francisco but was traded there against his will and now will have his salary hung over his head even though there are only three teams that are directly impacted by these city mandates so far.

Feels sad I need to say this at the end. But yes I am vaccinated and pro vaccine but I am trying to apply empathy here.