POLL: Does anyone actually want Ben Simmons?

[JonFromVA]

If you are trading for Simmons you would have to build the team around him.
Honestly I think it's just way too difficult to build a team around a non shooting lead playmaker. I'm assuming that Simmons and Klutch would demand that he be the engine. The Cavs would assumably be dealing a combination of Sexton/Garland, Okoro, filler(Love/Rubio) + a boatload of picks. They don't have the pieces to build around Simmons and would have no way to acquire those pieces if they are dealing away several young players + all their draft picks.

It just seems the much easier path would be to be patient, keep developing the young guys.. be opportunistic and acquire a big wing sometime between now and the start of next season. Simmons would be a shortcut to winning more games this coming season but at what cost in the long term if they are dealing away all assets incl all their draft picks? There is a ton of drama issues surrounding Simmons too. Also I can't see him playing another game in Philly any time soon even if he does get traded.

Philly might prefer Garland over Sexton, but Rich Paul isn't going to like it; and if we trade for Ben we are certainly back to doing whatever Rich (and in this case Ben) wants.

I also still think we have at least a few years before Mobley is going to start to be what we hope he will be and in the meantime there are going to be plenty of opportunities to address the SF spot and sort out what's best with Garland-Sexton-Okoro.

There is no point in trading for Simmons if you have to move Garland. There's no workable starting unit there.

Neither Garland nor Sexton are helped by a wing standing in the dunker's spot ... and a non shooting player at any position is problematic. It's just easier to get away with at C due to the benefits of a 7 footer that rebounds, sets screens, and can finish well. But a non shooter grants the defense a degree of leverage over the offense. For instance if the Cavs best option was to have Mobley launching elbow jumpers, quite a few opposing coaches would be very happy to take their chances with that.

The interesting thing about adding Ben is how good our defense could be but smart teams will still find a way to pick on the weakest link.

But these are all concerns for a team that wants to reach the finals ... at this point we're just trying to field a competitive team and Ben would help us do that even if Garland was traded rather than Sexton.

Which gets to why I made this thread. At the right price I do think Ben makes us better so its sort of a no-brainer unless you don't want to see our team wrap itself around a prima-donna who can't handle criticism, or take responsibility.

[toooskies]

Mobley doesn't seem to be as bad a shooter as you are making him out to be

A guy who shot 30% from the college 3 is not somebody I'm counting on to create spacing at the NBA level anytime soon.

Also what you do in college means squat when you hit the NBA.

Sure, but 12.5% in Summer League doesn't inspire confidence.

33% in high school, with most of that coming his freshman/sophomore years before he grew to 7 feet tall.

I'm not counting on him stretching the floor until he shows he can do it, and not just in cherry-picked youtube workout videos.

A center doesn't need to be able to shoot 3s. The can be a legit threat from the elbow and make things difficult on a defense. Allen is an elite rim protector, but Mobley is going to be a much more dynamic offensive player.

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You could have Simmons at the elbow and Mobley at the arc, if Mobley could shoot well out there.

[KuruptedCav]

Simmons allows you to operate with a less dynamic PG. The Lou Williams, Jordan Clarkson, Jamal Crawford high 3p vol. PGs work… except finding one that plays defense is like finding a unicorn. It’s easier to find a traditional quality PG and accept the diminished value of taking the ball out of their hand.


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[JonFromVA]

Simmons allows you to operate with a less dynamic PG. The Lou Williams, Jordan Clarkson, Jamal Crawford high 3p vol. PGs work… except finding one that plays defense is like finding a unicorn. It’s easier to find a traditional quality PG and accept the diminished value of taking the ball out of their hand.

I'm not convinced of that ... if he's not effective running a half court defense vs teams competent enough to take advantage of his shooting liabilities then you need someone who can or you need to somehow convince Ben to accept more of a motion offense.