Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition)

[Dalvin]

If we trade ANT for Simmons, they better be sending us with 4 unprotected picks and 3 pick swaps

[moonpie]

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[KGdaBom]

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I can live with Beasley/McDaniels and multiple picks as in 2 lightly protected FRPs. I would much rather do that than include Russell.

[theGreatRC]

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I can live with Beasley/McDaniels and multiple picks as in 2 lightly protected FRPs. I would much rather do that than include Russell.

If it was Beasley/Mcdaniels + 2 1sts, the deal would've been done

[Dewey]

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Philly is the root issue of their own problem yet expect a hefty load of assets in return … it’s no secret they’ve tried to sweep their scapegoat episode under the rug, but the offers they be received obviously suggest they need to own up and accept a reasonable deal - not a kings ransom.

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I can live with Beasley/McDaniels and multiple picks as in 2 lightly protected FRPs. I would much rather do that than include Russell.

If it was Beasley/Mcdaniels + 2 1sts, the deal would've been done

First, I love Britt, but his knowledge of trade values or uncovering scoops is pretty limited.

Second, from what I have read, Gersson is a very aggressive negotiator. I don’t know if that means he took a hardline stand on his pricepoint for Simmons. Maybe not, since there are recent rumors he paid more than the organization thought to get a “star,” in Russell. Jon Krawszcinski also said that Ben Simmons publicly saying he wouldn’t play another minute in a Sixers uniform is what MIN had been waiting for, for two months. That should cause PHI to drop the price, so I don’t think this is a deal that would have already been done.

Incidentally, I wouldn’t pay that for Simmons. I think MIN and PHI would both prefer replacing McDaniels with another MIN 1st. That said, I don’t think Simmons is worth three 1sts at this point - he’s just not that level of a player.

[Klomp]

Incidentally, I wouldn’t pay that for Simmons. I think MIN and PHI would both prefer replacing McDaniels with another MIN 1st. That said, I don’t think Simmons is worth three 1sts at this point - he’s just not that level of a player.

If Robert Covington was worth two 1sts, then Ben Simmons is certainly worth three firsts.

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Incidentally, I wouldn’t pay that for Simmons. I think MIN and PHI would both prefer replacing McDaniels with another MIN 1st. That said, I don’t think Simmons is worth three 1sts at this point - he’s just not that level of a player.

If Robert Covington was worth two 1sts, then Ben Simmons is certainly worth three firsts.

RoCo was worth two non-lotto firsts. If you want to offer three lotto-protected 1sts for Ben, I’m ok with that.

If we follow this logic, then RoCo and Saric are also worth Jimmy Butler. Butler > Simmons.

Incidentally, I think RoCo is regularly undervalued by fans, and Simmons gets overvalued because of his celebrity. Simmons can distribute, but RoCo could shoot three’s, and his contract cost about a third of Simmons. Both were 1st team All Defense, and neither is All NBA now. RoCo also wasn’t refusing to play.

[younggunsmn]

Incidentally, I wouldn’t pay that for Simmons. I think MIN and PHI would both prefer replacing McDaniels with another MIN 1st. That said, I don’t think Simmons is worth three 1sts at this point - he’s just not that level of a player.

If Robert Covington was worth two 1sts, then Ben Simmons is certainly worth three firsts.

RoCo was worth two non-lotto firsts. If you want to offer three lotto-protected 1sts for Ben, I’m ok with that.

If we follow this logic, then RoCo and Saric are also worth Jimmy Butler. Butler > Simmons.

Incidentally, I think RoCo is regularly undervalued by fans, and Simmons gets overvalued because of his celebrity. Simmons can distribute, but RoCo could shoot three’s, and his contract cost about a third of Simmons. Both were 1st team All Defense, and neither is All NBA now. RoCo also wasn’t refusing to play.

This. Both times Roco was dealt for 2 1sts, they were lottery protected. A lightly protected 1st from a team that has made the playoffs once in 16? years has considerably more value. I would go one unprotected, one top 5 protected, and be okay paying that price. No more. I'm also at the point I'm much less willing to trade McDaniels, certainly not as a throw in, he has slighly more value to me than one of those 2 1sts I'm willing to give up. I just think with his size, skill, and defensive acumen he could develop into a bit of a unicorn, though he's not quite there yet. Beasley + Expring or Russell as the salary filler, flip a coin I could care less.
Anything more than that and I walk away and go with what we have.

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[Macwolf527]

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I can live with Beasley/McDaniels and multiple picks as in 2 lightly protected FRPs. I would much rather do that than include Russell.

The more I think about it, I’m not sure I want to move Russell or McDaniels for Simmons. Russell is one of the best closers in the league. I think he’s more suited to be in the SG spot on the defensive side of the ball. I get the feeling that McDaniels’ game is really going to take off this year. I would move him with other players outside of Russell, but not with a bunch of picks included, maybe one top 5 protected pick at the most. Anything more than 1 pick, would have to have lottery protections on them and definitely no more than 2 picks total. I would rather ride with the squad as is versus sending out that many assets.

[Calinks]

I think a package centered around Russell and Beasley are actually pretty good value for the Sixers They fill two major holes for that team on offense. I get their defense may be an issues but I think what they get in return makes up for it. Emiid would have targets everywhere to pass to form the paint with those two and we all know Dlo is not passing up a lot of shots. I actually think those two could make them better if they can compensate for the defense.

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I can live with Beasley/McDaniels and multiple picks as in 2 lightly protected FRPs. I would much rather do that than include Russell.

The more I think about it, I’m not sure I want to move Russell or McDaniels for Simmons. Russell is one of the best closers in the league. I think he’s more suited to be in the SG spot on the defensive side of the ball. I get the feeling that McDaniels’ game is really going to take off this year. I would move him with other players outside of Russell, but not with a bunch of picks included, maybe one top 5 protected pick at the most. Anything more than 1 pick, would have to have lottery protections on them and definitely no more than 2 picks total. I would rather ride with the squad as is versus sending out that many assets.

I’m with you on this, Mac. Outside of a high level PF, I like the shooting and balance of the current roster. I think we can get enough from McD, Prince and Vando at the 4 to compete for the playoffs. It sure does seem like all the steam is pointing to Ben coming here, though.

I’m nervous as a fan that Gupta includes Ant in the deal. I’d be paying a lot more attention to the Wild and Gopher Hoops if that happens.


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It's my opinion that the Wolves lose in any situation where they acquire Simmons. His current attitude towards the Sixers trying to contact him is juvenile. I think this is a clear indicator of how toxic he could be. Am I always hopeful that the Wolves will improve year over year? Yes, but maybe that is what makes me nuts to even follow this team in the first place. I'm also of the mind that the jury is still out on what has been built so far (Ant/Kat/DLo) and the Wolves need more time to let that play out for better or worse. Unless Simmons is basically stolen from the Sixers, I'll pass.

[wolves_89]

The Wolves newly released promos for their Aura partnership feature Ant, so I think it's safe to say the organization has no intention of trading him.

[Norseman79]

The Ant talk is stupid. You trade Kat and build around Ant before you trade Ant.

[Klomp]

I’m nervous as a fan that Gupta includes Ant in the deal. I’d be paying a lot more attention to the Wild and Gopher Hoops if that happens.

I don't think there is any reason to worry about this.

[FinnTheHuman]

I hate the idea of trading both DLo and Beasley. We really need that 1 high tier shooter in the back-court. I’d rather see McDaniels leaving than Beasley, Beasley is more needed if we get Simmons.

DLo makes more sense to trade of the two, taking contracts into consideration, to me it’s insane how much he’s overvalued on this board: an awful defender, can’t drive, can’t stay healthy, is bound to make a couple of awful turnovers almost every game. We wouldn’t need a closer like DLo if DLo was a better player until cluch time. Ant is supposed to transition into being our closer anyway.

I reckon that Wood or Grant will be in a 3 team trade, with us sending a couple of top 10 protected 1sts plus McDaniels or more hopefully but not reaistically Bolmaro to that 3rd team.

I guarantee you that if we don’t take Simmons and some other team does, you’ll see Simmons taking that team to the playoffs while we suck donkey balls with no defense and no rebounding whatsoever for yet another year. We will need Ant to play like DWade if we want to see the playoffs without Simmons.