Bears talk 2.0; Fields era begins for real for real

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

Agreed. If he fails, it's going to because we don't have the personnel to turn a raw, injury-prone rookie in Season 1 into a seasoned pro. What we're asking him to do is similar to what we've asked others to do through the years, which is be the one dude who solves all problems. Not smart. I hate Nagy. I should've known he would be pressured into this.

It's vital to put people in chill positions to succeed.
Survival ain't just a test of wills, without support instilled, see...
Past trials have killed us 'tween you and me.
Child, hiding our wild cycles through the seasons:
Mitch and Foles flamed out with us for good reasons!!!
Why can't we ever red shirt a talented kid at first, slow the romance?
Justin has a leaky offensive line and damn receivers with stone hands.

Raw? Injury-prone? Justin Fields? Do you know who he is?

Cut it out with the gaslighting. He played 8 games last year-- a tad over half the season in college-- and then came out and had a groin injury in camp which caused him to cede the job to Andy. He fell in the draft because he is raw, and currently has a quarterback rating of 7.4, so believe it or not, he's raw.

He's definitely not raw. Inexperienced in the NFL yes but thats not raw. What is your definition of raw? And he hasn't earned the label of injury prone so you are definitely premature on that. If you are just predicting he will be then thats one thing and thats your opinion at this point which is not an argument then.

[Susan]

People trust Baker without Jarvis?

The Browns blew the game against KC and let the Texans stick around with them for far too long last week. Their HC is the previous Vikings OC - since he's been hired Nagy has owned the Vikings and while Chubb + Hunt are great, so is Dalvin Cook and they've been able to bottle him up consistently over the years. Baker is Cousins' little brother and if you put the game on his back, he's going to let you down more often than not.

They're 7.5 dogs but IDGAF. There's a lot to like about this game.

[Susan]

Agreed. If he fails, it's going to because we don't have the personnel to turn a raw, injury-prone rookie in Season 1 into a seasoned pro. What we're asking him to do is similar to what we've asked others to do through the years, which is be the one dude who solves all problems. Not smart. I hate Nagy. I should've known he would be pressured into this.

It's vital to put people in chill positions to succeed.
Survival ain't just a test of wills, without support instilled, see...
Past trials have killed us 'tween you and me.
Child, hiding our wild cycles through the seasons:
Mitch and Foles flamed out with us for good reasons!!!
Why can't we ever red shirt a talented kid at first, slow the romance?
Justin has a leaky offensive line and damn receivers with stone hands.

Raw? Injury-prone? Justin Fields? Do you know who he is?

Cut it out with the gaslighting. He played 8 games last year-- a tad over half the season in college-- and then came out and had a groin injury in camp which caused him to cede the job to Andy. He fell in the draft because he is raw, and currently has a quarterback rating of 7.4, so believe it or not, he's raw.

Talk about making stuff up.

OSU played 8 games last year because of the pandemic. Justin played a huge role in actually getting the Big Ten to play any games when he publicly campaigned to get the Big Ten to reverse their decision.

He was never in a competition with Andy Dalton, his one practice missed is highly irrelevant.

You just saying stuff to say it?

[Susan]

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"There's things we're seeing that maybe we didn't see in the first two weeks because [Justin Fields] wasn't getting more reps."

Big surprise there, Matt

This was not somethiong Nagy wouldn't be able to predict, because even us from the outside thought that all Justin needs is reps with the big team to grow and perform. Or, at least a majority of us. Given the basic premise that Nagy already would kniow this in his heart and mind, more evidence that Nagy was only beholden to a promise to Dalton. Fields was never given reps in training camp to even try to have a direct competition with Dalton. Which is pretty wild, because that is a diservice by Nagy to rest of the team really. All those players ask for is for the best effort of team officials to find the best people to put on the field. In this case it it works out this way by the end of the year, Nagy did not put forth that best effort. The coach did not run the team in good faith.

To keep going forward with the thought experiment, this is evidence as well that both Nagy and Pace's jobs are safe for one more year no matter what happens. If Nagy feels he has the luxury to pull some BS like this, and Pace would let him? They don't feel that much pressure to win if they don't even make an attempt to have a quarterback competition to make sure the team has the best it can offer. All they had to do apparently was to get it all pointed in the right direction with a young quarterback. Again, George friggin McCaskey does not demand pure performance. Terrible ownership is usually the culprit when their officials are not performing at their best, and not utilizing talent optimally. Players must be rolling their eyes reading Nagy's crap.

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I am fairly convinced that Clowney and Garrett are going to terrorize our tackles and ruin this debut. As Eisen points out, how much better off would Fields be right now in game 3 against the Browns if he was the guy starting game 1. The Bears are simply behind now for now good reason.

I hadn’t thought about the awesome fact that this game is in Ohio for some reason.

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Judging by how Fields played in last weeks game, there is a good chance we'd be 0-2 right now, not 1-1. This is an impossible argument to win, because whenever Dalton plays average, or poorly, it's viewed as evidence that Fields should play. But whenever Fields performs poorly, it's either a) because he wasn't the starter from day one, b) he's going against a great defense (as if Dalton wasn't v. Rams), or c) it's excusable because we know he will get better.

When in fact, Nagy has decided that right now, Dalton gives the Bears the best chance to win, and that's why he was given the starting job (barring poor health).

Yeah I got to agree that the Fields fever is mostly emotion, not thought.

The idea that only playing a few snaps in game 1 will somehow be the reason he might fail Sunday is pretty far out there.

Don't be so hard on emotional thoughtless Matt Nagy

“We’re learning, too,” Nagy said. “This week, with him getting all the reps in practice, there’s things that we’re seeing that maybe we didn’t see in the first two weeks because he wasn’t getting those one reps.”

[TheJordanRule]

Raw? Injury-prone? Justin Fields? Do you know who he is?

Cut it out with the gaslighting. He played 8 games last year-- a tad over half the season in college-- and then came out and had a groin injury in camp which caused him to cede the job to Andy. He fell in the draft because he is raw, and currently has a quarterback rating of 7.4, so believe it or not, he's raw.

Talk about making stuff up.

OSU played 8 games last year because of the pandemic. Justin played a huge role in actually getting the Big Ten to play any games when he publicly campaigned to get the Big Ten to reverse their decision.

He was never in a competition with Andy Dalton, his one practice missed is highly irrelevant.

You just saying stuff to say it?

Ouch. I forgot about how short that season was. You're right. I take back the injury prone claim. That was just not factual. I remember him getting hurt at Clemson with a rib injury combined with a hip pointer, but that was just one injury, and it didn't prevent him from coming back fairly quickly. He has NOT been injury prone. That said, I still don't like Fields' current build. Dual threat QBs take a lot of punishment over the course of an NFL season. This kid shouldn't be expected to take that punishment right now. Let him build up his frame and upgrade the O-line in the off season. People get bored with and give up on guys who are perceived as losers. Most fans (and probably GMs too) lost faith in Mitch after just two seasons. Just once, can we give our top prospect time to prepare for a job that he doesn't look ready for?

[Stratmaster]

Judging by how Fields played in last weeks game, there is a good chance we'd be 0-2 right now, not 1-1. This is an impossible argument to win, because whenever Dalton plays average, or poorly, it's viewed as evidence that Fields should play. But whenever Fields performs poorly, it's either a) because he wasn't the starter from day one, b) he's going against a great defense (as if Dalton wasn't v. Rams), or c) it's excusable because we know he will get better.

When in fact, Nagy has decided that right now, Dalton gives the Bears the best chance to win, and that's why he was given the starting job (barring poor health).

Yeah I got to agree that the Fields fever is mostly emotion, not thought.

The idea that only playing a few snaps in game 1 will somehow be the reason he might fail Sunday is pretty far out there.

Don't be so hard on emotional thoughtless Matt Nagy

“We’re learning, too,” Nagy said. “This week, with him getting all the reps in practice, there’s things that we’re seeing that maybe we didn’t see in the first two weeks because he wasn’t getting those one reps.”

Nagy is always full of crap. Did he say what they learned?

I can hear him now.

"Oh wow. We watched all his college tape, combines, training camp and preseason. But it wasn't until he took more snaps with the first team that we realized this guy has a cannon for an arm, is fast and can run. Maybe we will run some rollouts for him"

I also heard Nagy talk about how much faster Fields is progressing than they expected. Sounds like our head coach is getting surprised on a daily basis. I thought he was an offensive and QB guru.

Obviously the more experience the better. No one can (or at least should) argue with that. But the idea that him not starting from day 1 is somehow going to cause him to fail just isn't solid.

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[sco]

IMO, it's about the combo of our Oline's ability to slow down CLE's defense and Field's ability to both get rid of the ball faster than his 5 seconds (per my counts) and willingness to throw the ball away rather than over-forcing (which he does).

I'm prediction 2TD's 2INT's and 2 sacks this week.

[Michael Jackson]

Yeah I got to agree that the Fields fever is mostly emotion, not thought.

The idea that only playing a few snaps in game 1 will somehow be the reason he might fail Sunday is pretty far out there.

Don't be so hard on emotional thoughtless Matt Nagy

“We’re learning, too,” Nagy said. “This week, with him getting all the reps in practice, there’s things that we’re seeing that maybe we didn’t see in the first two weeks because he wasn’t getting those one reps.”

Nagy is always full of crap. Did he say what they learned?

I can hear him now.

"Oh wow. We watched all his college tape, combines, training camp and preseason. But it wasn't until he took more snaps with the first team that we realized this guy has a cannon for an arm, is fast and can run. Maybe we will run some rollouts for him"

I also heard Nagy talk about how much faster Fields is progressing than they expected. Sounds like our head coach is getting surprised on a daily basis. I thought he was an offensive and QB guru.

Obviously the more experience the better. No one can (or at least should) argue with that. But the idea that him not starting from day 1 is somehow going to cause him to fail just isn't solid.

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In fairness to Nagy he has likely been too busy with his side piece to watch all the film on Fields. You know priorities.

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Yeah I got to agree that the Fields fever is mostly emotion, not thought.

The idea that only playing a few snaps in game 1 will somehow be the reason he might fail Sunday is pretty far out there.

Don't be so hard on emotional thoughtless Matt Nagy

“We’re learning, too,” Nagy said. “This week, with him getting all the reps in practice, there’s things that we’re seeing that maybe we didn’t see in the first two weeks because he wasn’t getting those one reps.”

Nagy is always full of crap. Did he say what they learned?

I can hear him now.

"Oh wow. We watched all his college tape, combines, training camp and preseason. But it wasn't until he took more snaps with the first team that we realized this guy has a cannon for an arm, is fast and can run. Maybe we will run some rollouts for him"

I also heard Nagy talk about how much faster Fields is progressing than they expected. Sounds like our head coach is getting surprised on a daily basis. I thought he was an offensive and QB guru.

Obviously the more experience the better. No one can (or at least should) argue with that. But the idea that him not starting from day 1 is somehow going to cause him to fail just isn't solid.

Me personally, never used the word fail. He is obviously behind though, because the Bears have not prepared him to start in training camp. Nor the team. Nor have they installed an offense to suit him best. This week is his first reps with the ones, that is simply wrong headed, and this situation could have consequences for the offense. Nagy seems to have acknowledged the Bears’ neglect toward Fields with his comments.

[Susan]

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Coulda used him this week.

[MalagaBulls]

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Coulda used him this week.

I'm starting to think his heart is not in it anymore. Hope I'm wrong.

[dice]

People trust Baker without Jarvis?

The Browns blew the game against KC and let the Texans stick around with them for far too long last week. Their HC is the previous Vikings OC - since he's been hired Nagy has owned the Vikings and while Chubb + Hunt are great, so is Dalvin Cook and they've been able to bottle him up consistently over the years. Baker is Cousins' little brother and if you put the game on his back, he's going to let you down more often than not.

They're 7.5 dogs but IDGAF. There's a lot to like about this game.

your first 2 paragraphs explain why the browns are only 7.5 point favs

note that the announcement that fields would start did not budge the line. he's gonna have to prove that he's a real difference maker at this level

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Coulda used him this week.

I'm starting to think his heart is not in it anymore. Hope I'm wrong.

It looks like he's lately been going through the motions for a paycheck. He does the minimum. Last year was a writeoff, his summer was a no show, and his camp and early season follows suit. If he isn't checking out, I would hate to see a player that is checking out. Literally. Another position the Bears could have targeted with assets before resorting to a 7th round pick. If they were watching this guy closely at all, the alarm bells were pretty loud.

[dougthonus]

Nagy is always full of crap. Did he say what they learned?

It's sort of funny, I've been in the "Start Fields from day 1" camp since we drafted him for the precise reason that it is the only way to give him all the 1st team reps all the time. Many people (including many on this forum) have been opposed to that because they think it may ruin Fields and won't do anything for his growth. I think it's the opposite. To grow he needs reps. Game reps, practice reps, more reps. He gets those (in both cases) by being the starter rather than a backup.

I don't think he'll be very good early on. I think Dalton is a better QB today. I think if you wanted wins, that starting Dalton would give you more of them in the short term. However, you don't draft Justin Fields so you can have more wins today. You draft a franchise QB to try and lead your franchise. He will take his lumps, now or later, I'd rather have it be now so the later where he's a stud comes earlier.

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People trust Baker without Jarvis?

The Browns blew the game against KC and let the Texans stick around with them for far too long last week. Their HC is the previous Vikings OC - since he's been hired Nagy has owned the Vikings and while Chubb + Hunt are great, so is Dalvin Cook and they've been able to bottle him up consistently over the years. Baker is Cousins' little brother and if you put the game on his back, he's going to let you down more often than not.

They're 7.5 dogs but IDGAF. There's a lot to like about this game.

your first 2 paragraphs explain why the browns are only 7.5 point favs

note that the announcement that fields would start did not budge the line. he's gonna have to prove that he's a real difference maker at this level

Is that the new line, 7.5? At first when they announced Fields they dropped the hook and it went to 7.

[dice]

People trust Baker without Jarvis?

The Browns blew the game against KC and let the Texans stick around with them for far too long last week. Their HC is the previous Vikings OC - since he's been hired Nagy has owned the Vikings and while Chubb + Hunt are great, so is Dalvin Cook and they've been able to bottle him up consistently over the years. Baker is Cousins' little brother and if you put the game on his back, he's going to let you down more often than not.

They're 7.5 dogs but IDGAF. There's a lot to like about this game.

your first 2 paragraphs explain why the browns are only 7.5 point favs

note that the announcement that fields would start did not budge the line. he's gonna have to prove that he's a real difference maker at this level

Is that the new line, 7.5? At first when they announced Fields they dropped the hook and it went to 7.

bears fans probably piled in with bets, then the pros brought it back to the original line

[chicagoballer]

Prediction for this week: 31-20 browns. The bears will be dominated on both sides of the ball with a Fields garbage time TD to make the losing score respectable. Atleast one failed 4th down conversion for Nagy as we desperately try to not let the game get away.

Hope fields and the bears prove me wrong.

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This dumb bastard.