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[SO_MONEY]

Until then, Beasley or McCollum level player is what 76ers will get.

Wait, what? Those are completely different players in terms of value and skill. CJ is A LOT better than Beasley and a lot more valuable. And I am not even that high on McCollum, lol

Personally, I would value the cheaper, younger guy. Sure, McCollum is the better player (for now), Beasley allows more options. If a team doesn't want more flexibility they would favor McCollum at least in the short-term. Ultimately, Beasley vs. McCollum is a matter of what paths it allows.

[basketballwacko2]

He has no value for other teams after that, so if you aren't throwing him in as pure salary match, you are better of keeping him.

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Got it. Just so I am all straightened out. Beasley no value. Simmons value is Dame or Beal.

So glad TNT straightened me out today.

Simmons value is not even close to Lillard, probably even with all picks and youth Philly has, lol.


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I've seen some speculation that a deal for Ben and Damon. Lillard is the better player no question but he's 6 years older and paid a lot more. $10 million more in fact this season. Both are signed longterm, so the question is what more does Philly need to send to Portland to get Lillard?

I think the only way this happens is if Lillard tells the team that he wants to be traded. I'd say CJ and Roco plus a pick or picks might work for Ben.

What ever happens is probably going to surprise us.

[zimpy27]

Morey will value this coming back:
1. Player that can run an offense
2. Player that can score in iso relatively efficiently
3. Impact stats (like LEBRON or RAPM) that show the player is impactful or advanced tracking stats that show player is currently under-utilized elsewhere.


I feel that when you put together a package you should keep this in mind. If you aren't fulfilling these then it's probably an instant no.
I mean the players he's obviously chased with Ben have been Lillard, Harden, Beal which all fulfill that criteria. You may not want to give that much for Simmons but at least understand the line of thinking and compromise along it.

[kuclas]

Morey will value this coming back:
1. Player that can run an offense
2. Player that can score in iso relatively efficiently
3. Impact stats (like LEBRON or RAPM) that show the player is impactful or advanced tracking stats that show player is currently under-utilized elsewhere.


I feel that when you put together a package you should keep this in mind. If you aren't fulfilling these then it's probably an instant no.

Thank you. This is why Minnesota and Sacramento offers are pretty much non starters. Those fans just want to give up their 5-6th best players for Simmons and think sixers are desperate to take it.

They may just play maxey at the point and see what the kid has before making a Simmons trade. They need a full time point guard. And trust me. Pat Beverly isn’t that full time point guard. He’s aged quickly and lost his starting job last season.

As long as embiid is upright. The sixers will still win 50 plus games in the East. Now if embiid goes down with injury. It changes the dynamics quickly. I could see where sixers take role players and future picks and do a 1996 Spurs tank job to get a high draft pick.

[Ballerhogger]

Morey will value this coming back:
1. Player that can run an offense
2. Player that can score in iso relatively efficiently
3. Impact stats (like LEBRON or RAPM) that show the player is impactful or advanced tracking stats that show player is currently under-utilized elsewhere.


I feel that when you put together a package you should keep this in mind. If you aren't fulfilling these then it's probably an instant no.
I mean the players he's obviously chased with Ben have been Lillard, Harden, Beal which all fulfill that criteria. You may not want to give that much for Simmons but at least understand the line of thinking and compromise along it.

So all star ? Good luck with that .. do see anyone banging on their door for Simmons ? After his stint with his own teammates I don’t want him on my team. There’s a human aspect of this . He’s terrible at it. Even maxey who he’s good friends with .

[zimpy27]

Morey will value this coming back:
1. Player that can run an offense
2. Player that can score in iso relatively efficiently
3. Impact stats (like LEBRON or RAPM) that show the player is impactful or advanced tracking stats that show player is currently under-utilized elsewhere.


I feel that when you put together a package you should keep this in mind. If you aren't fulfilling these then it's probably an instant no.
I mean the players he's obviously chased with Ben have been Lillard, Harden, Beal which all fulfill that criteria. You may not want to give that much for Simmons but at least understand the line of thinking and compromise along it.

So all star ? Good luck with that .. do see anyone banging on their door for Simmons ? After his stint with his own teammates I don’t want him on my team. There’s a human aspect of this . He’s terrible at it. Even maxey who he’s good friends with .

Doesn't have to be an all star.

Derrick White fulfills these categories. FVV, Jrue, Conley, McCollum, Brogdon, Fox, Jamal Murray all do it to a degree. The other Murray, Dejounte Murray is close.

Some of these guys have been mentioned, it's not impossible. Also, doesn't have to be a single player. If Philly trade out Curry then they could bring a couple guys and they don't have to be as good defensively at the guard spot since they don't have to cover for Curry anymore.

[Ballerhogger]

Love and Sexton and 2023 first
For
Ben Simmons?


Sexton looks likely to be moved soon , Love can help in the playoffs as stretch .. Simmons and garland could be good combination. If the trade done after the first, Cavs only have to pay half of bens contract

[aguiar95]

Morey will value this coming back:
1. Player that can run an offense
2. Player that can score in iso relatively efficiently
3. Impact stats (like LEBRON or RAPM) that show the player is impactful or advanced tracking stats that show player is currently under-utilized elsewhere.

McCollum does fit everyone of these categories ...

Other names (less available): Irving, Harden, Curry, Doncic, Trae, Lillard, CP3, Mitchell, Holiday, Beal, Morant, Fox, LaMelo, Lavine, SGA.

D-Lo and Ant both have decent ISO numbers (bad impact), but I haven't watched many MIN games to have an input if they can effectively run an offense.

Some other guys that could fit the mold if they go to PHI: Brogdon, Wall, Rozier, DeRozan, Sexton.

[cool93]

Until then, Beasley or McCollum level player is what 76ers will get.

Wait, what? Those are completely different players in terms of value and skill. CJ is A LOT better than Beasley and a lot more valuable. And I am not even that high on McCollum, lol

Personally, I would value the cheaper, younger guy. Sure, McCollum is the better player (for now), Beasley allows more options. If a team doesn't want more flexibility they would favor McCollum at least in the short-term. Ultimately, Beasley vs. McCollum is a matter of what paths it allows.

Thats like saying Hield and Brogdon have the same or even comparable value lol. Beasley is a role player, and his value is ruined by his offcourt behavior, CJ can be 2-3 best player on a very good team. It's ridiculous to overvalue your players by that much.

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[BoogieTime]

Morey will value this coming back:
1. Player that can run an offense
2. Player that can score in iso relatively efficiently
3. Impact stats (like LEBRON or RAPM) that show the player is impactful or advanced tracking stats that show player is currently under-utilized elsewhere.

McCollum does fit everyone of these categories ...

Other names (less available): Irving, Harden, Curry, Doncic, Trae, Lillard, CP3, Mitchell, Holiday, Beal, Morant, Fox, LaMelo, Lavine, SGA.

D-Lo and Ant both have decent ISO numbers (bad impact), but I haven't watched many MIN games to have an input if they can effectively run an offense.

Some other guys that could fit the mold if they go to PHI: Brogdon, Wall, Rozier, DeRozan, Sexton.

Can McCollum run an offense?

I keep hearing that

McCollum/Maxey, not seeing the head of the snake so to speak

[SO_MONEY]

Wait, what? Those are completely different players in terms of value and skill. CJ is A LOT better than Beasley and a lot more valuable. And I am not even that high on McCollum, lol

Personally, I would value the cheaper, younger guy. Sure, McCollum is the better player (for now), Beasley allows more options. If a team doesn't want more flexibility they would favor McCollum at least in the short-term. Ultimately, Beasley vs. McCollum is a matter of what paths it allows.

Thats like saying Hield and Brogdon have the same or even comparable value lol. Beasley is a role player, and his value is ruined by his offcourt behavior, CJ can be 2-3 best player on a very good team. It's ridiculous to overvalue your players by that much.
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It is nothing like comparing Hield and Brogdon.

Some teams might want McCollum more than others, some teams might want Beasley, plus what the flexibility allows over McCollum, it is not ridiculous and asserting that it is, is borderline insulting.

[cool93]

Personally, I would value the cheaper, younger guy. Sure, McCollum is the better player (for now), Beasley allows more options. If a team doesn't want more flexibility they would favor McCollum at least in the short-term. Ultimately, Beasley vs. McCollum is a matter of what paths it allows.

Thats like saying Hield and Brogdon have the same or even comparable value lol. Beasley is a role player, and his value is ruined by his offcourt behavior, CJ can be 2-3 best player on a very good team. It's ridiculous to overvalue your players by that much.
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It is nothing like comparing Hield and Brogdon.

Some teams might want McCollum more than others, some teams might want Beasley, plus what the flexibility allows over McCollum, it is not ridiculous and asserting that it is, is borderline insulting.

I guarantee you 30 of 30 teams (including Wolves) would choose CJ in a second. I would propose creating a poll on general board, but that's too ridiculous and results are obvious, I think you know that too.

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[cool93]

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[rzzzzz]

CJ and Roco as oft mentioned works

That’s got to be one of the top fall back deals Morey keeps in mind, if there’s no movement from underperforming clubs through the first part of the season.

If the blazers are clicking they won’t move CJ

Well sure. No reason for them to make a move if they become legitimate contenders for the title. It would be a most welcome change.

[Wolveswin]

Beasley and McCollum are no where near equal value. Maybe Dlo and McCollum

I value Beasley more than both those players. Check his stats and compare to both. Then add in fact he is 1/2 the price as those two — so Beasley + Prince or Beverley > Russell or McCollum. For sure.

You’re lucky if he’s neutral with the legal stuff, skill set and price I agree with you but there’s to much baggage there for substantial value

Baggage isn’t what you are making it to be.

[Wolveswin]

Wait, what? Those are completely different players in terms of value and skill. CJ is A LOT better than Beasley and a lot more valuable. And I am not even that high on McCollum, lol

Personally, I would value the cheaper, younger guy. Sure, McCollum is the better player (for now), Beasley allows more options. If a team doesn't want more flexibility they would favor McCollum at least in the short-term. Ultimately, Beasley vs. McCollum is a matter of what paths it allows.

Thats like saying Hield and Brogdon have the same or even comparable value lol. Beasley is a role player, and his value is ruined by his offcourt behavior, CJ can be 2-3 best player on a very good team. It's ridiculous to overvalue your players by that much.

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But you are not just comparing to Beasley. Which I don’t think you are doing anyway (take a look at their stats). Beasley is 1/2 price. You get Beasley PLUS another player and flexibility to the tune of around 16M. McCollum just isn’t worth more than that.

[zimpy27]

Morey will value this coming back:
1. Player that can run an offense
2. Player that can score in iso relatively efficiently
3. Impact stats (like LEBRON or RAPM) that show the player is impactful or advanced tracking stats that show player is currently under-utilized elsewhere.

McCollum does fit everyone of these categories ...

Other names (less available): Irving, Harden, Curry, Doncic, Trae, Lillard, CP3, Mitchell, Holiday, Beal, Morant, Fox, LaMelo, Lavine, SGA.

D-Lo and Ant both have decent ISO numbers (bad impact), but I haven't watched many MIN games to have an input if they can effectively run an offense.

Some other guys that could fit the mold if they go to PHI: Brogdon, Wall, Rozier, DeRozan, Sexton.

Can McCollum run an offense?

I keep hearing that

McCollum/Maxey, not seeing the head of the snake so to speak

Yeah he can. He's not a constant floor general but he can setup plays for others and himself.

McCollum, Green, Covington, Harris, Embiid -- Maxey, Thybulle, Korkmaz, Niang, Drummond

Simmons+Curry for CJ+Covington does build a nice team for Philly but I think Curry would need to go to third team.

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[HotelVitale]

Personally, I would value the cheaper, younger guy. Sure, McCollum is the better player (for now), Beasley allows more options. If a team doesn't want more flexibility they would favor McCollum at least in the short-term. Ultimately, Beasley vs. McCollum is a matter of what paths it allows.

Thats like saying Hield and Brogdon have the same or even comparable value lol. Beasley is a role player, and his value is ruined by his offcourt behavior, CJ can be 2-3 best player on a very good team. It's ridiculous to overvalue your players by that much.

But you are not just comparing to Beasley. Which I don’t think you are doing anyway (take a look at their stats). Beasley is 1/2 price. You get Beasley PLUS another player and flexibility to the tune of around 16M. McCollum just isn’t worth more than that.

That's not very useful for a team with title aspirations. The Sixers will be well above the cap for years no matter what happens, and there's some use but not too much of it for having an extra couple million beneath the lux tax. (Besides you're never going to convince anyone on these boards with the argument 'hey this guy's significantly worse but he'll save you some lux tax $!' If an owner insists on prioritizing lux tax, so be it, but it sucks when it happens and we can't argue productively about outside hypotheticals anyway.)

Also in general you MINN fans can stop trying to oversell Malik Beasley, we all get what you're up to. He's a solid scorer but he's not a creator (for himself or others) and is just one of those guys who constantly hunts for scoring chances in the flow, waits for a defensive f up or an open shot or an open lane or whatever. It takes talent to exploit those things but it is what it is. There's also quite a bit going against him--weak defender who doesn't distribute and isn't known for his intangibles or locker-room prsence-- and he's not good enough as a scorer to make all that irrelevant. He's fine, reliable offense-first 4th/5th starter, but you can't shift around a few stats or tell the story a little differently to make people excited about him.